If you look at Senate rules for impeachment........
?? Theory ??
Then the military is in control! There is no way around the whole nation and world, seeing all of the evidence! Read the Senate rules! They can’t bypass the defense getting their day in court, the way the house did! There is no way, the Senate wanted this! Trump is in complete control of the narrative! I think the military is running Washington!
Let's stop this. This impeachment is ONLY about the Jan. 6 "incitement". NOTHING ELSE. No election fraud. AT FUCKING ALL. No "introduce shit" in any way. Its a trial dealing with just ONE CHARGE.
Is anyone even following what's going on in real life?
I’m an attorney and practiced most of my 25 years in Federal court. Should be the Chief Justice who presides. Not sure if Roberts recused himself but if so great. Maybe we get Alito or Thomas. If so, they decide what is relevant evidence- not you or me. That’s REAL LIFE. ?
I love it when the media alleges that anyone anywhere near anything deemed "Qanon" is a certified lunatic, but when you occasionally see peoples occupations, you realize there are a lot of highly qualified and "professional" individuals among us...
Engineer checking in, lol
occupational therapist here!! i think "THEY" think we are all duck dynasty rejects who live in the woods and on farms with our cousin-wives/brother-husbands, cleaning guns and cracking bud lights.
Well, I am not an attorney, but I can read. And comprehend. From SCOTUS site, just now:
The Senate’s standing rules for impeachment trials make no distinction between the powers of the chief justice presiding in an impeachment and those of any other officer in the same role. The job is referred to throughout as “Presiding Officer” and its authority is the same regardless of who holds it. The rules nominally give the presiding officer considerable power, including the power to issue “orders, mandates, writs, and precepts” (Rule V), to “direct all the forms of proceedings while the Senate is sitting for the purpose of trying and impeachment” (Rule VII), and to “rule on all questions of evidence including, but not limited to, questions of relevancy, materiality, and redundancy of evidence” (Rule VII). But in every case, this apparent authority is subject to the critical limitation that the presiding officer may only act in accordance with the will of the Senate.
https://www.scotusblog.com/2020/01/the-role-of-the-chief-justice-in-an-impeachment-trial/
IF Roberts recuses himself, and we still have no official line on this, but IF. Then its Senate's prerogative to select who presides. Recusal opens up possibilities, including no one on SCOTUS. To anyone in Senate. So, not sure what you're saying.
I WISH its either Alito or Thomas, still not sure about the other 3. But reality is different.
shit, then who appoints? mitch the bitch? kneepads? chuckee erection?
TBH, this position is really absolutely irrelevant. SCOTUS blog (above) clearly states that the position is just as an observer of proceedings and serves no other means. Doesn't even have to be a judge, just someone in Senate. I am guessing, and again only IF Roberts recuses himself, that Chucky and McConnell will move to appoint someone. I am also guessing that none of the SCOTUS conservative judges will be considered. Doesn't really matter in the end. I cannot imagine that someone like Thomas or Alito would even want to preside at an ILLEGAL impeachment trial while having absolutely no way to interfere and set things straight. Watching 50+ utter idiots play out illegal circus would be a maddening experience for any real attorney, and judge. Torture, really. Rand Paul already stated this is what Roberts told him as his reason to recuse himself. Questionable, sure, but I'll go with Rand's statement for now.
In the end, the ONLY decision that matters is the final vote after the trial. 67 Yays. VP cannot vote. Senators only.
Traditionally, it was chief justice. So, Roberts or not, it really doesn't matter in the end. Chucky and McConnell will set some more rules, I am sure, but in general, Senate impeachment rules are already mostly spelled out (~20 pages worth). I know that many keep on thinking that Trump will be allowed to present election fraud facts, but the reality is that Senate sets the rules for what can be presented, or not, and the only charge the House voted on is "incitement for riot". Doesn't matter what Trump said at the rally, they will only concentrate on what they want, incitement. You know, his call to come to D.C. for a rally on Jan. 6. And nothing else.
Reality. Sad one. Sometimes what we want and expect, and wish for, by law, is not what we actually get. As long as GOPe holds steady, Chucky and McConnell won't be able to convict.
However, everything he said in his speech is pertinent. President Trump talked about the election fraud and the foreign interference. They will need to prove he spoke lies or if he spoke the truth.
Yes... and everyone around us there was saying why is he saying this because we all already knew what he said.
Anyone I've said "he literally called for peaceful protests" come back with "well he's been inciting violence with false election fraud claims he has no proof of."
I know you don't want to feel naive/vulnerable and I get that but technically it's the ONLY defense. They know he used the words "peaceful protest."
Americans have the right to protest/ensemble -> Trump called for his supporters to exercise that right peacefully -> Present evidence of radical leftist/foreign interference in protests actually inciting the violence -> Present evidence of radical leftist/foreign interference via election fraud showing there was no other way he incited violence because he was not spreading false information and has a right to free speech, simultaneously tying both arguments back on to the accusers themselves.
It seems the MO of the radical left is to accuse the other side of pretty much the exact same thing that they are doing. Like the Russia hoax for example.
Actually We don't as we have Only the Rights that the Corporation of the United States of America says we have! So if the Corporation says we are trespassing we are violating their law.
Well, big words and all. Have you actually read the impeachment rules and how things work prior to your expert assessment posted here? Kind of sad to see the down votes, clearly says how poorly educated and misinformed some on this board are while claiming otherwise.
Read the rules doc, point out just where it says that it is not the Senate that sets the rules for the trial. And what they will discuss, or not. After court after court refused to listen to voter fraud you now somehow deluded enough to think that Senate, of all places, will now want to hear any of it? Educate yourself, its just roughly 20 pages long. Go ahead, prove me wrong.
dude, you need a cookie and a nap. btw when you use the words "educate yourself" it makes people turn right the fuck off. we are discussing this, some maybe havent read all that you have, maybe we will get to that, maybe we wont, but its not worth getting all angsty on us.
Take your beef to the mods, then. They keep telling people, in a big, bright red stickie, almost daily, that people need to do their own research, as well as use Search function prior to posting.
When an attorney with a 25 years of experience doesn't understand what both Senate impeachment rules book and SCOTUS blog clearly spell out, do you still think people are informed? Should not they be pointed to the facts rather than keeping quiet and let myth and suppositions promulgate themselves ad naseum, in thread after thread?
I am not in to PC, never was and never will be. So, since the title of the thread is "Senate rules for impeachment", how many posting int thread have actually read the damn thing prior to posting? Obviously, not many. Its just 20 pages or so.
Ironic, isn't it.
Yeah, I understand what you mean about people doing their own research, im just saying your grouchy delivery doesn't really help push your message. And let's be honest, whats the point of senate rules if no one ever actually follows them or bastardizes them so much they become irrelevant. Like this impeachment process as a whole so far.