the problem are those who "dont debate anyone who argues in bad faith" and then when you present a well put together message and they don't know how to respond, the default on "Holy shit you people are insane" or "Did you have a stroke while typing that out?" or "Oh so because you want lower taxes that makes it okay to rape and genocide poor black people?" as the old "rules of the internet" states, Rule 11: All of your carefully picked arguments can be easily ignored
The worst part is how effective this bullshit debate style is. God forbid you try to spin it on them, they pipe up "haha you can't defend your position so you default to personal attacks, fascism much?" but of course also "No, me calling you a retarded Nazi, isn't dehumanizing like you calling me a shill is."
I'm not trying to sound thin skinned, and I know it is futile to debate shills, but it just sucks how effective their tactics are on people who claim to be immune to propganda. Slowly but surely all forums turn into Reddit.
Yep, and what people don't realize is that by jumping straight to the type of comments you've quoted, they are engaging in their own form of silencing. Attacking people for asking questions or having a different opinion is very much the same as saying you must adhere to the party line and that you can't think for yourself Which is the complete opposite of what this community stands for, which is DO YOUR OWN RESEARCH.
I have always been one to play devils advocate as a way of checking the validity if my beliefs and knowledge. But you do it by respectfully stating how and WHY you have a different opinion. We must ALWAYS be willing to consider that we are wrong. Are some people making bad faith arguments or shills? Sure, but don't immediately assume that just because they disagree with you.
the problem are those who "dont debate anyone who argues in bad faith" and then when you present a well put together message and they don't know how to respond, the default on "Holy shit you people are insane" or "Did you have a stroke while typing that out?" or "Oh so because you want lower taxes that makes it okay to rape and genocide poor black people?" as the old "rules of the internet" states, Rule 11: All of your carefully picked arguments can be easily ignored
The worst part is how effective this bullshit debate style is. God forbid you try to spin it on them, they pipe up "haha you can't defend your position so you default to personal attacks, fascism much?" but of course also "No, me calling you a retarded Nazi, isn't dehumanizing like you calling me a shill is."
I'm not trying to sound thin skinned, and I know it is futile to debate shills, but it just sucks how effective their tactics are on people who claim to be immune to propganda. Slowly but surely all forums turn into Reddit.
Yep, and what people don't realize is that by jumping straight to the type of comments you've quoted, they are engaging in their own form of silencing. Attacking people for asking questions or having a different opinion is very much the same as saying you must adhere to the party line and that you can't think for yourself Which is the complete opposite of what this community stands for, which is DO YOUR OWN RESEARCH.
I have always been one to play devils advocate as a way of checking the validity if my beliefs and knowledge. But you do it by respectfully stating how and WHY you have a different opinion. We must ALWAYS be willing to consider that we are wrong. Are some people making bad faith arguments or shills? Sure, but don't immediately assume that just because they disagree with you.
Perfect way of putting it
That’s what she said.
damb, i walked into that one
Again, this mof nails it like he nailed your mom last night.
Aldo, I, too, love the Pepe memes. They make me smile.
You make valid points, I have to admit.
Especially the point about your mom, and it being “open season”.