Not trying to gloat, he is a good dude overall but eats too much of the "bluberty" jello. And discovered a pattern of questions that have a couple stumped and now one broken the grasp of his previous reality.
So we finally had time to hang not long ago, and got into the fact my wife's meds went from 40 bucks to 430. Tried to dismiss it as, "we needed to remove those restrictions to get Healthcare back in." So I had to ask.
- Why would we need prices to go up to make room to pay for universal Healthcare?
- If her depression meds are going up now, would this be medical suppression since they're not planning on covering her meds in the first draft?
- If these went up, what else did? And by how much? - Why would they need to raise those prices if they're guaranteed the money through taxation?
By that point he had nothing, but assumed it was for good reason.
- Do you think the possibility of the raising of prices is to launder money through the medical field with our tax dollars?
- Sounds probable if we are to fund other country's abortions, wouldn't you think?
Ask til they have nothing, and bring in the ideas through probability suggestion. The fact it makes more sense hits them harder the more they think about it.
- Why, after 4 years of Trump, did Pelosi demand nuclear codes from Biden?
- Why was this a concern now when Trump should been a bigger threat?
- Why is Biden not fit to have the codes if everyone pushed to have him in the White House?
- Why is Biden a bigger threat than Trump?
Unless...
- What if Biden doesn't have the codes?
- If Biden doesn't, who does?
- If Trump does have the codes, why hasn't this been news?
- Why hasn't the military intervened if Trump supposedly has the codes?
- What if they have not intervened because Biden isn't in power?
- What if that's why Pelosi wants the codes divested from "The Presidential Control," because she doesn't know who has them?
Is breaks down the barriers and asking in a way that suggests that Trump isn't imposed on them directly.
And has been a perspective of hope for me.
Socratic method.
Works every time.
Well because it opens them up. They have to walk through that door of discussion. And when they do, they come to the conclusions that Trump is involved.
Once that happens you can point out the Trump misnomer in their assumptions with more questions.
Well, I don’t say it works immediately every time, but I believe everyone deep down wants the truth, and having an exchange where you ask someone meaningful questions, it will cause them to think about it more as they seek a satisfactory answer. It may take weeks, or even months, but eventually they will discover they are being lied to.
Also I don’t get pushy. I give them as much as they can take and if they want to “agree to disagree” I leave it at that. My experience is they come back to me later with their own questions about new things they’ve heard on the fake news outlets.
Well that is true.
OK, not EVERY time, but it is still more effective than trying to just push the truth on them.
Your friend sounds like a fucking moron.
Liberal, as I once was. And the fact many arguments are losing water for them is making the clarity all the more brighter.
I'm an ex-liberal.
I'm a lot less resentful inside now, even though the world is a bad state.
It takes a lot of angry energy to be a liberal.
Being one, I can say there seems to be equal amounts of energy wasted by liberal woke minds and racists directly.
Actively, and consciously, categorizing people into groups and delegating proper responses to each of them based on surface superficial acknowledgements.
Oh. I'm just comparing me before and me now. Two categories I know about. Where does racism come into it?
I was kind of generalizing, it may be true or not, but being more left usually means spending energy minding everyone else's business as well as you own. That's tiring. This is comparing me before to me now.
The similar methodology, categorizing and labels.
Takes a lot out of someone than just placing everyone as "Just Some Dude," til otherwise proven different.
Yes, it does take effort categorizing people unnecessarily, I see the similarities.
Technically true, but I didn't say he is agreeing with me. If anything he stormed off to reason with himself with the probability I proposed. Finding his own Copium if you will.
I was merely pointing out their defenses are weakening the more they hold onto it.
Yeah, luckily is just clammed up. But avoiding Trump insinuation til they reach for it first tell you a lot of what they are afraid to know.
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Fantastic way to build a logical foundation while opening the door for greater inquiry.
This is indeed the way to proceed.
BITE Model: https://freedomofmind.com/cult-mind-control/bite-model/
Consider these issues within the context of Covid-19 and Dem rhethoric.
Here is a dissertation on it: https://www.proquest.com/docview/2476570146/
Irony of ironies:
Steve Hassan in 2017, I belief, came out against Trump and pro Obama cult. And he is not shy about it either. I would say: He should have indeed taken a piece of his own medicine to avoid making the same mistake as a moonie.
At any rate, from personal experience I can say, this BITE Model is perfect in analyzing where a person is. And employing the Strategic Interaction Approach helps in getting a cult member to look for truth instead of narrative.
I don't have the patience to deal with the liberal mindset. What happens will happen ant then they will either wake up or fall by the wayside. The truth has been there from the day Trump won in 2016 and he has exposed the corruption and the fake news media every day. What more could I add to it.