It's pretty much common knowledge that the mRNA vaccine MODIFIES your DNA. Do you think this was without possible consequence?
I was under the impression that the antivaxers, the side I am on, believe that mRNA science, being a brand new thing, that the final results or affects are unknown.
What is unknown, is unknown to both vaxers and antivaxers. Why I'm an antivaxer is because I follow a "why take a change" way of thinking, which seem a common sense approach to me.
According to vaxxers you are taking a chance by not getting it. No amount of logic will win these peóple over because it's not one person. No one can win over a mob but that doesn't mean the mob is right. Keep up the good fight!
I have become silent against the force of the stampede. People I dearly love are rushing to get the vaccine and then proudly bragging about it on social media. No questions asked, no objections allowed. I have come to realize I have as much chance of talking them out of getting vaccinated as talking someone out of their religion. The vaccine is their act of faith in their gods of science/ pharmaceuticals/ government/ media - the whole evil pantheon. When the earth shakes because of stampede, all you can do is get out of the way and watch the herd thunder by. And you definitely don’t want to join it.
They want you to be silent. If you are fighting an information war, remaining silent is giving up. Share information any way you feel comfortable but don't go completely silent. Know which points you CAN bring up even if it's not specifically vaccines.
It's pretty much common knowledge that the mRNA vaccine MODIFIES your DNA.
Except the opposite is "common knowledge" for anyone who has studied and done actual experiments in cell and molecular biology.
Our cells are completely full of mRNA at all times. It is the primary path of information and function change in every cell of every lifeform on Earth. If mRNA that has made it to the cytosol modified DNA in any regular fashion life would cease to exist. In fact, life would have never existed in the first place.
It would be like if every software program on your computer was constantly rewriting the information on your hard drive at random. How long would your computer be able to function? Minutes? Seconds? Its virtually exactly the same thing.
Once again you are talking about naturally occurring mRNA. You have no idea how the synthetic mRNA in the vaccines has been modified to get around the normal cell responses in the body.
Since this is a technology that has never been used on humans before, and has resulted in 100% death of test animals in SARS-CoV-1 vaccine studies, prudence would indicate a wait-and-see approach is the best way to maximize one's chances.
Ordinarily, RNA is a “notoriously fragile” and unstable molecule. According to scientists, “this fragility is true of the mRNA of any living thing, whether it belongs to a plant, bacteria, virus or human.”
But the synthetic mRNA in the COVID vaccines is a different story. In fact, the step that ultimately allowed scientists and vaccine manufacturers to resolve their decades-long mRNA vaccine impasse was when they figured out how to chemically modify mRNA to increase its stability and longevity — in other words, produce RNA “that hangs around in the cell much longer than viral RNA, or even RNA that our cell normally produces for normal protein production.”
It is anyone’s guess what the synthetic mRNA is doing while it is “hanging around,” but Corrigan speculates that its enhanced longevity raises the probability of it “being converted over into DNA.”
That paper is strictly about the wild type virus. It has nothing to do with the mRNA being used in the vaccine. As I said, viruses can have the other machinery to make this happen. I am extremely surprised that this particular coronavirus has such machinery, and I am not certain that it does. I need to look very closely at that preprint article to make sure the science was done correctly and that their conclusions match the science (those things are far from certain, especially from a preprint article). Regardless, even if the virus does get written to DNA more often than the average virus, it is not something you can transfer over to the vaccine in any way.
"Synthetic" RNA doesn't really mean anything special. It was most likely made in a bacteria, such as E. coli or some other similar in vitro method. Molecules made in such procedures are identical to molecules made anywhere else. A molecule is a molecule. In the case of the mRNA in the vaccines they have modified bases that are signals used to reduce the probability that they will be degraded by the machinery that is designed to perform that function within a human cell. This is not anything new, but is instead using known biological tools that normal human mRNA already uses.
Is it possible it has other signals that help it get written to DNA? Sure, but the vaccines don't contain the OTHER mRNA that are necessary to make that process happen outside of a one in a quadrillion or so chance. I mean, maybe they do, but it is not one of the listed ingredients. Frankly, if they are putting in things and not listing them in the ingredients, there are much, MUCH better things they could add if they wanted to intentionally alter the DNA (such as all the CRISPR-cas9 associated tools).
What you postulate at the end actually happened to me once. Around a decade ago I got a computer virus that added exactly 1 byte to every file on the PC. The machine was instantly and completely crippled.
Yes, it is exactly a thing a computer virus that is designed to be completely destructive might do.
Interestingly, a biological virus can also write to DNA, but they have ADDITIONAL machinery that makes that happen; machinery that is not in the vaccines. Even in those cases it is very rare, but it can happen.
If it wasn't rare, even when it is set up to do it, the virus wouldn't have time to replicate, and on the broader scale no life could exist. Life, especially multicellular life, only works if its DNA is very rarely altered in any meaningful way.
The exception here, is that this prediction is based upon what and how the human body replicates; not based on a mathematical model.
If I inject a rat with cancer, it's not a mathematical model that says the cancer will likely spread, and negatively affect the well-being of the rat.
It's pretty much common knowledge that the mRNA vaccine MODIFIES your DNA. Do you think this was without possible consequence?
It's pretty much common knowledge that the mRNA vaccine MODIFIES your DNA. Do you think this was without possible consequence?
I was under the impression that the antivaxers, the side I am on, believe that mRNA science, being a brand new thing, that the final results or affects are unknown.
What is unknown, is unknown to both vaxers and antivaxers. Why I'm an antivaxer is because I follow a "why take a change" way of thinking, which seem a common sense approach to me.
According to vaxxers you are taking a chance by not getting it. No amount of logic will win these peóple over because it's not one person. No one can win over a mob but that doesn't mean the mob is right. Keep up the good fight!
I have become silent against the force of the stampede. People I dearly love are rushing to get the vaccine and then proudly bragging about it on social media. No questions asked, no objections allowed. I have come to realize I have as much chance of talking them out of getting vaccinated as talking someone out of their religion. The vaccine is their act of faith in their gods of science/ pharmaceuticals/ government/ media - the whole evil pantheon. When the earth shakes because of stampede, all you can do is get out of the way and watch the herd thunder by. And you definitely don’t want to join it.
They want you to be silent. If you are fighting an information war, remaining silent is giving up. Share information any way you feel comfortable but don't go completely silent. Know which points you CAN bring up even if it's not specifically vaccines.
Well said
Well, until it's fully approved by the FDA, see ya!
Fully FDA Approved but also producers are still firewalled from any liability.
Yeah, Imma sit this one out, thanks.
Now that's a cool Pepe! 100% right about the see ya later w this unapproved "jab"..
Except the opposite is "common knowledge" for anyone who has studied and done actual experiments in cell and molecular biology.
Our cells are completely full of mRNA at all times. It is the primary path of information and function change in every cell of every lifeform on Earth. If mRNA that has made it to the cytosol modified DNA in any regular fashion life would cease to exist. In fact, life would have never existed in the first place.
It would be like if every software program on your computer was constantly rewriting the information on your hard drive at random. How long would your computer be able to function? Minutes? Seconds? Its virtually exactly the same thing.
Once again you are talking about naturally occurring mRNA. You have no idea how the synthetic mRNA in the vaccines has been modified to get around the normal cell responses in the body.
Since this is a technology that has never been used on humans before, and has resulted in 100% death of test animals in SARS-CoV-1 vaccine studies, prudence would indicate a wait-and-see approach is the best way to maximize one's chances.
See this article for instance: https://childrenshealthdefense.org/defender/science-mrna-vaccines-alter-dna/
which says:
Ordinarily, RNA is a “notoriously fragile” and unstable molecule. According to scientists, “this fragility is true of the mRNA of any living thing, whether it belongs to a plant, bacteria, virus or human.”
But the synthetic mRNA in the COVID vaccines is a different story. In fact, the step that ultimately allowed scientists and vaccine manufacturers to resolve their decades-long mRNA vaccine impasse was when they figured out how to chemically modify mRNA to increase its stability and longevity — in other words, produce RNA “that hangs around in the cell much longer than viral RNA, or even RNA that our cell normally produces for normal protein production.”
It is anyone’s guess what the synthetic mRNA is doing while it is “hanging around,” but Corrigan speculates that its enhanced longevity raises the probability of it “being converted over into DNA.”
That paper is strictly about the wild type virus. It has nothing to do with the mRNA being used in the vaccine. As I said, viruses can have the other machinery to make this happen. I am extremely surprised that this particular coronavirus has such machinery, and I am not certain that it does. I need to look very closely at that preprint article to make sure the science was done correctly and that their conclusions match the science (those things are far from certain, especially from a preprint article). Regardless, even if the virus does get written to DNA more often than the average virus, it is not something you can transfer over to the vaccine in any way.
"Synthetic" RNA doesn't really mean anything special. It was most likely made in a bacteria, such as E. coli or some other similar in vitro method. Molecules made in such procedures are identical to molecules made anywhere else. A molecule is a molecule. In the case of the mRNA in the vaccines they have modified bases that are signals used to reduce the probability that they will be degraded by the machinery that is designed to perform that function within a human cell. This is not anything new, but is instead using known biological tools that normal human mRNA already uses.
Is it possible it has other signals that help it get written to DNA? Sure, but the vaccines don't contain the OTHER mRNA that are necessary to make that process happen outside of a one in a quadrillion or so chance. I mean, maybe they do, but it is not one of the listed ingredients. Frankly, if they are putting in things and not listing them in the ingredients, there are much, MUCH better things they could add if they wanted to intentionally alter the DNA (such as all the CRISPR-cas9 associated tools).
What you postulate at the end actually happened to me once. Around a decade ago I got a computer virus that added exactly 1 byte to every file on the PC. The machine was instantly and completely crippled.
Yes, it is exactly a thing a computer virus that is designed to be completely destructive might do.
Interestingly, a biological virus can also write to DNA, but they have ADDITIONAL machinery that makes that happen; machinery that is not in the vaccines. Even in those cases it is very rare, but it can happen.
If it wasn't rare, even when it is set up to do it, the virus wouldn't have time to replicate, and on the broader scale no life could exist. Life, especially multicellular life, only works if its DNA is very rarely altered in any meaningful way.
Plenty of known side effects though to justify not chancing it.