It's like the vampire books/movies, you have to invite them in... with the masks, you are showing you accept them by wearing them. The only way to fight back it to not comply. With the evil people forcing this on you, they see your acceptance (compliance) and move the goalposts even further towards tyranny. People that do comply, get angry at those willing to fight back because they themselves don't have the courage to stand up. Compliant people have to rationalize their own behaviors and choices and in doing so, they get angry at those who made the choices they know they should have made.
Thank you. This reassures me not to give in to trying self-analyse why I've not gone along with any of the bullshit measures, any deeper than just the innate knowledge that it is wrong. Wrong is wrong and if you're intuitive, you know it without needing to think about it too hard. You SENSE it.
I don't disagree with you, I just think the simple “I’ll do this while it’s mandated.." self talk IS the dissonance effect. Afterall, there is NO REASON to wear masks. It is well established in research. This IS extreme. This is people justifying, not masks per se, but the forcing of masks must be worn, against all evidence and their own desires.
There is no science to support the wearing of masks. Nobody wants to wear them.
The research says you will, on doing this illogical forced thing, automatically make allowances for the forcing not the thing. You know the thing is useless, but you do it anyway. Then as you say you do the simple thing “I’ll do this while it’s mandated but as soon as it’s not I’m taking it off” That’s it.
Integrity demands you not do that. That's what freedom, and self ownership MEANS.
OP made no call to violence. They simply pointed out a possibility for why Leftists are so difficult to red pill once they've drunk the Kool aid and have been forced to do something inconsistent with their beliefs.
The last few sentences of the paragraph say that these cognitive dissonances can obit be reduced slowly, with no mention of violence to do so, rather, self reflection on the part of the one who is stuck believing a lie.
violent rebellion? Not sure where you're seeing that handshake newb.
It is a well tested phenomena, been replicated many many times, and you can see in action right now out your own window, so I am calling it true. It is true because it has been experimentally shown, replicated, and can be observed by anyone.
If that makes me a faggot, then you can suck my dick.
I want the people who live in red states to go a step further. Come to Las Vegas and try to enter any place on the strip without a mask. Then when tossed out I expect you to physically resist their attempts to remove you. When the police come I want you to either win yku point or die trying. If you haven't been confronted with all that then your just full of hot air and false bravado. I've been thrown out of dozens of businesses for no mask. I still need to eat and do business so at times I wear the mask. When tonfight and how tonfight is important. Be thankful you live somewhere that isn't controlled by Chinese. Soon Nevada will be free again but the counting people cowards for the mask is invalid. My plan is to outlast them and never let them wear me down. We will win.
It is like that because of compliance. I don't suggest struggling or going where not welcome. If everyone were aware 1. masks do not help 2. you do not have to wear them (you have a medical reason, everyone does) THEN the bars in Vegas would be empty where they insisted on masks. The staff would object, etc..
I'll never defend mask fascism but I'm not going to go and harass people who decide to wear them, nor am I going to harass employees of places that still require them. I'm fortunate enough to be in a state that ended the mandate but many places haven't stopped requiring them yet.
We say we are all in this together, and the efforts of the deep state are to divide us. As long as we're not attacking each other, and its not mandated, do you have a problem with someone exercising their own personal choice?
You've worn the mask haven't you? now you are constructing straw men. I fear you rather prove the point I make: once you capitulate you become a defender, for it is your capitulation you defend, not the thing you capitulated to. I wish it weren't so, alas it seems to be.
Nope. Sorry. Theory only. I am not defending mask wearing and am most certainly not enjoying it. This is not "scientific fact"...read the last sentence in your post again, the one that says "This prediction has been tested experimentally".
"Theory only" is your position? but you read the sentence that says "tested experimentally"
So its only a theory? How can it be "only" a theory when it has been tested in a real world experiment? A theory is something that has NOT been tested.
Do you wish to argue this point? (You may be suffering a dissonance-adjusted pseudo-opinion)
LOL! I'm not arguing anything with you nor am I suffering from anything. My issue is you call something "fact" when it isn't.
A concept tested experimentally (by one "study", which you don't provide reference for) is not "fact". It is a concept, an idea, a postulation, not "fact". Reproduce it, provide the evidence, peer review it, etc.
On that research portal there are about 1,220,000 results for “cognitive dissonance”
It is WELL STUDIED. It is not "only" a theory. You are wrong. Have a good day = oops please don't press me on this, I wish to escape my error (more dissonance, how does it feel?.... its a little painful isn't it)
There are 1.2m results for cognitive dissonance , but they don’t all relate to the phenomenon you’re describing.
I’m certain that testing it amongst 100 people x will have the result you describe , but I am also certain there will be a portion , y , in which the opposite happens.
I’ve been forced into plenty of things publicly and haven’t developed cognitive dissonance twisting my view into thinking I loved it.
Furthermore the level that most people are operating at with masks , they’re barely thinking about it - it’s not enough to cause a trauma response in the brain.
Twisting [your] view into thinking [you] loved it is not the effect described - your wording is too extreme - you did this to support your view, which is a strawman. The effect of dissonance is called "spreading apart the alternatives" it can be quite mild, just enough to ease the dissonance pain. Trauma is not required, simply a difference between what you want and what you do.
You're attacking me (calling me a twat) because this happens to you (it happens to everyone fren) and you don't like it. I don't like it either.
I dare say it is something that affects some more than others. Consider it when you've cooled off. I point it out to help people. Sometimes helping means not backing down.
It's like the vampire books/movies, you have to invite them in... with the masks, you are showing you accept them by wearing them. The only way to fight back it to not comply. With the evil people forcing this on you, they see your acceptance (compliance) and move the goalposts even further towards tyranny. People that do comply, get angry at those willing to fight back because they themselves don't have the courage to stand up. Compliant people have to rationalize their own behaviors and choices and in doing so, they get angry at those who made the choices they know they should have made.
The future proves the past.
The conspiracy of ignorance masquerades as common sense.
This is a great one for those "educated" NPCs who like to weaponize BS they learned in psych 101.
Thank you. This reassures me not to give in to trying self-analyse why I've not gone along with any of the bullshit measures, any deeper than just the innate knowledge that it is wrong. Wrong is wrong and if you're intuitive, you know it without needing to think about it too hard. You SENSE it.
You can take on certain behaviors for infiltration or espionage and not have this happen. This isn't a "WILL HAPPEN TO YOU!" thing.
By all means, continue to fight the surface fight. Just don't begrudge me for trying to selous scouts it over here.
No, you’re stretching truths to extremes.
Cognitive dissonance is a thing , it doesn’t mean what you think it does though. The outcome isn’t always “now I love masks”
If you force some who hates public speaking into public speaking they won’t suddenly love it.
People rationalise and justify it.
The justification for masks may be as simple as “I’ll do this while it’s mandated but as soon as it’s not I’m taking it off” That’s it.
I don't disagree with you, I just think the simple “I’ll do this while it’s mandated.." self talk IS the dissonance effect. Afterall, there is NO REASON to wear masks. It is well established in research. This IS extreme. This is people justifying, not masks per se, but the forcing of masks must be worn, against all evidence and their own desires.
There is no science to support the wearing of masks. Nobody wants to wear them.
The research says you will, on doing this illogical forced thing, automatically make allowances for the forcing not the thing. You know the thing is useless, but you do it anyway. Then as you say you do the simple thing “I’ll do this while it’s mandated but as soon as it’s not I’m taking it off” That’s it.
Integrity demands you not do that. That's what freedom, and self ownership MEANS.
I think it is central.
Airport security disagrees with you.
More cretinous psychology from psychologists, the wankpuffins who gave the cabal the means to enslave us.
If you notice, OP is exhorting us to violent rebellion using fake facts.
It may have been tested experimentally just once but that doesn't mean its true.
OP is a lot more than a faggot.
OP made no call to violence. They simply pointed out a possibility for why Leftists are so difficult to red pill once they've drunk the Kool aid and have been forced to do something inconsistent with their beliefs.
The last few sentences of the paragraph say that these cognitive dissonances can obit be reduced slowly, with no mention of violence to do so, rather, self reflection on the part of the one who is stuck believing a lie.
violent rebellion? Not sure where you're seeing that handshake newb.
It is a well tested phenomena, been replicated many many times, and you can see in action right now out your own window, so I am calling it true. It is true because it has been experimentally shown, replicated, and can be observed by anyone.
If that makes me a faggot, then you can suck my dick.
Liar.
I want the people who live in red states to go a step further. Come to Las Vegas and try to enter any place on the strip without a mask. Then when tossed out I expect you to physically resist their attempts to remove you. When the police come I want you to either win yku point or die trying. If you haven't been confronted with all that then your just full of hot air and false bravado. I've been thrown out of dozens of businesses for no mask. I still need to eat and do business so at times I wear the mask. When tonfight and how tonfight is important. Be thankful you live somewhere that isn't controlled by Chinese. Soon Nevada will be free again but the counting people cowards for the mask is invalid. My plan is to outlast them and never let them wear me down. We will win.
It is like that because of compliance. I don't suggest struggling or going where not welcome. If everyone were aware 1. masks do not help 2. you do not have to wear them (you have a medical reason, everyone does) THEN the bars in Vegas would be empty where they insisted on masks. The staff would object, etc..
Compliance IS Continuance
Didn't Mao do something like this? Publicly humiliated dissidents or something like that?
The awful pictures are etched into my memory, the exact context escapes me.
I'll never defend mask fascism but I'm not going to go and harass people who decide to wear them, nor am I going to harass employees of places that still require them. I'm fortunate enough to be in a state that ended the mandate but many places haven't stopped requiring them yet.
We say we are all in this together, and the efforts of the deep state are to divide us. As long as we're not attacking each other, and its not mandated, do you have a problem with someone exercising their own personal choice?
Harass people?
You've worn the mask haven't you? now you are constructing straw men. I fear you rather prove the point I make: once you capitulate you become a defender, for it is your capitulation you defend, not the thing you capitulated to. I wish it weren't so, alas it seems to be.
I am harassing nobody.
So you kneel to tyranny then?
Nope. Sorry. Theory only. I am not defending mask wearing and am most certainly not enjoying it. This is not "scientific fact"...read the last sentence in your post again, the one that says "This prediction has been tested experimentally".
"Theory only" is your position? but you read the sentence that says "tested experimentally"
So its only a theory? How can it be "only" a theory when it has been tested in a real world experiment? A theory is something that has NOT been tested.
Do you wish to argue this point? (You may be suffering a dissonance-adjusted pseudo-opinion)
LOL! I'm not arguing anything with you nor am I suffering from anything. My issue is you call something "fact" when it isn't.
A concept tested experimentally (by one "study", which you don't provide reference for) is not "fact". It is a concept, an idea, a postulation, not "fact". Reproduce it, provide the evidence, peer review it, etc.
Have a good day
The reference is on the graphic - it is the first study of its kind. This is the reference: https://www.semanticscholar.org/paper/Cognitive-consequences-of-forced-compliance.-Festinger-Carlsmith/9b6e43983b4f178b9381487f2f6b1eaf20774d6a (a google of Festinger and Carlsmith (1959)) would have got you there. Again, it is on the graphic.
On that research portal there are about 1,220,000 results for “cognitive dissonance”
It is WELL STUDIED. It is not "only" a theory. You are wrong. Have a good day = oops please don't press me on this, I wish to escape my error (more dissonance, how does it feel?.... its a little painful isn't it)
Stop being a twat.
There are 1.2m results for cognitive dissonance , but they don’t all relate to the phenomenon you’re describing.
I’m certain that testing it amongst 100 people x will have the result you describe , but I am also certain there will be a portion , y , in which the opposite happens.
I’ve been forced into plenty of things publicly and haven’t developed cognitive dissonance twisting my view into thinking I loved it.
Furthermore the level that most people are operating at with masks , they’re barely thinking about it - it’s not enough to cause a trauma response in the brain.
Twisting [your] view into thinking [you] loved it is not the effect described - your wording is too extreme - you did this to support your view, which is a strawman. The effect of dissonance is called "spreading apart the alternatives" it can be quite mild, just enough to ease the dissonance pain. Trauma is not required, simply a difference between what you want and what you do.
You're attacking me (calling me a twat) because this happens to you (it happens to everyone fren) and you don't like it. I don't like it either.
I dare say it is something that affects some more than others. Consider it when you've cooled off. I point it out to help people. Sometimes helping means not backing down.
“Once you drop to your knees , that act will become something you defend, enjoy even, this is a scientific FACT”
My wording is too extreme is it ?
I don't know, I have not dropped to my knees. The related experiments suggest what they suggest. The results of experiments are a fact.
I can see your reading too.
It's all talk by these armchair warriors. Those of us behind enemy lines have our resistance and we are pushing this back.