agreed. for example look at the catholic church before and after the Vatican 2 council in the early sixties - until then they had the traditional latin mass unchanged for 1500 years. then they switched it to bad english translation. church membership and attendance was steady growing until then, when it started dropping like a rock. its easy to see why the latin mass is like the most beautiful thing ive ever seen/heard. it makes you feel a spiritual feeling you dont get many other places. and until then it was abailable every sunday all over the country and world. compare that to the crummy and uninspiring mass of the Novus Ordo (latin for New Order which is what the group that took over the church called itself) and its easy to believe that the church was infiltrated and the mass destroyed on purpose