Seems like with all these data coming in on its safety issues, it would or could never get approved, which is what I want as it appears to be a death shot.
I assume they would do BS fuckery with the numbers to push through for approval.
But if it were judged like a 'regular' vaccine, could it ever be approved?
I worry if they push for approval, they will push it on everyone including the kids.
From July 21st
Sounds like who ever wrote this article is in bed with Big Pharma. Tells you what we're up against.
When might the vaccines be approved?
On 16 July, FDA accepted Pfizer’s application “under priority review”—meaning it will move faster than during standard reviews, which typically take at least 10 months; the agency now has until January 2022 to review the materials. That seems like a long time, but last week an FDA official told CNN that the decision is likely to come within 2 months. “The review … has been ongoing, is among the highest priorities of the agency, and the agency intends to complete the review far in advance of the [January] Date,” an FDA press officer confirmed to Science in a statement.
FDA has not formally accepted Moderna’s application, possibly because the company has not yet submitted all the required materials.
Why have there been calls for faster approval?
Full approval could help overcome vaccine hesitancy, Eric Topol, director of the Scripps Research Translational Institute, wrote in a recent op-ed in The New York Times. “Some people who understand that the ‘E’ in ‘EUA’ stands for ‘emergency’ are waiting for full FDA approval before they receive a shot,” he wrote.
“I think it’s fair to say that any number of us who are clinical infectious disease doctors and in public health are frankly a little surprised at how long the process is taking,” says William Schaffner, professor of infectious diseases at Vanderbilt University Medical Center.
“I want [FDA] to be careful. I also want them to move it along,” Schaffner says. “Frankly, I’d like them to work on the weekends. The people who are vaccinating are working on the weekends. The virus is working on the weekends.” Will approval really convince more people to get vaccinated?
About 30% of unvaccinated people say they were waiting for vaccines to receive full approval, according to a survey of 1888 adults conducted in June by the Kaiser Family Foundation. But the report cautions that for many people, FDA approval is likely “a proxy for general safety concerns.” Not everyone now focused on approval may actually get a vaccine, especially if they perceive the approval process as rushed or politically motivated.
“For the people who are really dead set against getting the vaccine at this point, I don’t know that the FDA giving it full approval is going to make a huge difference,” says Krutika Kuppalli, an infectious disease doctor at the Medical University of South Carolina who says many of her patients are wary of COVID-19 shots.
But full approval may sway some people. For example, for members of groups that have been treated poorly by the health care system, signing a consent form to get vaccinated—a requirement for vaccines with an EUA—may be a psychological barrier, Gandhi says: “Signing a consent that says ‘experimental’ and the phrase ‘experimental’ brings up issues of experimentation on Black and brown communities.” Will approval pave the way for mandatory vaccinations?
More than 500 U.S. universities and some high-profile hospitals have already issued vaccine mandates, meaning staff and students must be vaccinated.
But many schools and hospitals are hesitant to ask their employees to take what is technically still an experimental product and are holding out for full approval; so is the U.S. military. Some states, including those with some of the lowest vaccination rates in the country, such as Alabama, Arkansas, and Tennessee, have gone so far as to ban mandates in schools and colleges until vaccines are fully approved. (Conversely, a judge this week upheld Indiana University’s vaccine mandate after it was challenged by a group of eight students.) Once a vaccine is approved, “I think it will be on firmer foundation for organizations and businesses to mandate it,” Goodman says.
In France—where vaccine hesitancy is also running high—more than 1 million people signed up for a vaccine after President Emmanuel Macron announced on 12 July that vaccination would become mandatory for health care workers and “health passes” would be required to enter malls, bars, restaurants, and other public places. But those measures proved controversial as well: Tens of thousands took to French streets on Saturday in protest. Could FDA speed up its approval process?
Perhaps, but the agency does not want to rush. “Any vaccine approval without completion of the high-quality review and evaluation that Americans expect the agency to perform would undermine the F.D.A.’s statutory responsibilities, affect public trust in the agency and do little to help combat vaccine hesitancy,” FDA’s Peter Marks wrote in The New York Times in response to Topol’s plea for speed.
“Any claims that this is taking a long time [are] almost like saying you don’t want FDA to do the normal, complete job that it does,” Goodman says. Regulatory rigor is especially important for messenger RNA vaccines, which use an entirely new technology, he adds. Is it safe to get a vaccine that only has an emergency approval, not full approval?
Every expert Science talked to had the same message: The data amassed so far show the vaccines given an EUA in the United States are very safe and very effective. “It was really incredible to see how well these vaccines worked in the clinical trials,” Gandhi says.
“The vaccines are such a gift,” says Cody Meissner, a pediatrician at Tufts Children’s Hospital specializing in infectious diseases and a member of FDA’s vaccine advisory committee. “Every adult should get this vaccine.”
Yes definitely starting to see more articles like this presupposing it will be approved (rubber stamped).
Ironic because in German “Gift” means poison.
Exactly what I deduced from the article, that the deck in stacked to produce exactly the results they want to achieve. Notice the guy that's on the advisory board said, "Everyone need to be vaxed."
I tell people I’m waiting for FDA approval, but only as a stalling tactic.
It’s a no from me, dog.
To me the basic question remains: Why would I get a vaccine that is either no good now, or will be ineffective soon after given, when there is a drug I can take to make the virus worse severe than a common cold.
Exactly! And, for this very reason, the jabs should never be approved.
Not to mention, if you get the coof and survive, which 99+% of the population will, your immune response will be much more effective than the jabs.