i appreciate your comment. so youre telling me you have researched this topic with some level or rigor and have uncovered a fact pattern which runs counter to the theory that the church underwent a coup during the second vatican council? are your a catholic? ever been to a latin mass? just saying, perhaps you should react with interest and curiosity to a bomb drop like "the vatican is infiltrated by a group which publicly calls themselves the 'New Order' " instead of reacting like you did. this is not reddit this is gaw and we have a different mindset here - mostly that claims are investigated not dismissed flippantly