This past week, the amount of dooming going on has been insane as of late... and I believe there are lot of shill accounts and sleeper agents coming to life in order break this movement. I consider myself a pretty decent shill hunter here, and I wish to help everybody to try to identify agents of ill intent .
There is a difference between saying somebody is criticizing what is happening, which real patriots do, and then there are those who are undermining what the movement. Both look similar, but they are NOT the same. Times are dark, but patriots are still patriots. Read their past comments. Understand their goals... and shut down shillish behavior before it derails this forum.
Do not be fooled. They are smart, and some have been around a long time. Here are some of the signs to look for:
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Saying the quiet part out loud: deep down, every patriot here understands that the entire movement... could be a farce. Could be a psyop. Could be a lie. It doesn't need to be said out loud since it is ingrained in this movement. People who are looking to demoralize will quietly bring this up in discussion. There is nothing wrong with criticizing decisions, but those who cast doubt on the movement for doubt's sake are glowsticks. Some of these examples are quite blatant, but the smart ones sow doubt. Here are a few examples:
- Q isn't real.
- Trump is not in control. He made a mistake with the poke by praising it. He is compromised by fake allies. Ect...
- Any black pilling the movement to demoralize and not as a joke. AKA embracing the honk.
- Nothing ever happens, when clearly things are happening.
- Derailing a conversation for no discernible reason other than to change the subject or sow doubt.
- Distraction posts.
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Anybody who deals in absolutes. This falls into the extremes, and glowsticks who hide behind beliefs and do not compromise. This one is tricky to understand, because a lot of these folks seem legit, at first. Every real patriot here is not looking to subjugate the left or blue-pilled folks... they are looking to save them and red-pill them. The tyrants in control are looking to dominate and control folks. Patriots would rather be able to discuss points with non-like-minded folks rather than shout them down. Here are a few examples:
- People who deal in violence, which is the only way. No patriot here wants to shed a drop of blood even of the Antifa scum. That is the LAST resort, full-stop.
- Intolerance of any kind. You are not allowed in here if you don't share our beliefs. I'm more centrist than many here and I certainly don't agree with everybody. But I want the same goal. Anybody who wishes to ban you for not agreeing with you falls in this category.
- Extremism: anybody who says follow the philosophy or burn. This mainly deals with religious types or absolutists... but you don't need to have stepped one foot in a church to call somebody evil for not agreeing. If you say "you are evil" for not agreeing with me with no logic other than the statement: thats a tell. Religions are welcomed here, the type that preach compassion. Folks that are willing to cast a net on anybody who doesn't agree with their personal philosophy are not that. Patriots do NOT court HATE. Patriots are not so intolerant they exclude. Those who do these things are no better than the enemy who looks to 'cancel' folks on the left
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Poisoning the well: anything off topic, and that will serve to make us look out illegitimate. This can be anything: from discussion of off-topic ideas to unverifiable conspiracy theories. This site is about Q, and connections that they made to a global plan to subjugate the world's population. Things that are real and tangible. A few examples:
- Tin-foil-hat conspiracies: This isn't what this site is about. These subjects only serve to turn-off interested folks and de-legitimize actual theories of this site by association. This includes lizard people, alien cabals, and thaumaturgical discussion.
- Pseudo-science: we question science. But folks who believe these ideas are just as dogmatic as the left is with vaccines and their high priest Fauci. This goes into naturalist studies, Flat-Earthers, and other pseudo sciences. You could include thaumatology here as well. The evidence doesn't matter, this isn't a discussion forum for it, and you guys won't capitulate if defeated in a rational debate, usually stating it's on us to prove them wrong (and it's not). Dogmatic beliefs in this sort of thinking can be compared to extremism.
- Theories without proof: aka ideas without sauce. You want to bring up an idea or theory? Bring the data. Without data you're just another voice polluting the well as you are directing folks from discussing a legit topic. The end goal with these people is to get folks on their side of an idea, which is antithetical to the mission as a whole: we aren't here to do your work. You want to contribute, get out there and find the sauce. Please note, this is not the same as a researchers wanted post. The purpose of those posts are to work together to find data to prove the point, not to steer away folks from another subject at hand.
This is just a bit of what is out there. The worst agents look and act just like us. Don't be fooled, and certainly don't point fingers because you don't agree with something. But if it doesn't smell right start researching them before you point a finger at them. The last thing we want this forum is to become a place of fear: a place where you will be banned for not towing the line.
Hey mods, sticky this shit for a while. It's a decent read, I think, anyway.
Oh man, sticky this thing all the way until the storm. Please!
Fell off rising. Oh well, it would have been nice to get the sticky, but I'm happy it reached a lot of eyes.
Oh, I don’t think I’ve ever even clicked on Rising. When you start here, it’s all about the Hot tab. And then you become a degenerate, and bookmark New. So Rising is a middle ground that I totally forgot about, and I have no idea how it’s defined.
As for stickies, I’ve had mods sticky posts of mine 12+ hours after the fact, and you can tell when you log back in, and have double-digit # of notifications, after many multiples of viewers have now read that post. 😀
Now sticky this, mods! It’s the most astute and insightful and well-reasoned post about this board that I’ve ever read on this board.
Perma-sticky, please! This post perfectly encapsulates several issues I've had with people who post on this platform.
2nded on stickying. Been awhile since I joined, but a must read before posting would be good as well.
Thank you. :)
Very, very well done. Thank you for posting this. MODS Sticky This.
It's absolutely true. I believe we all deal with these tactics. I especially notice the doomsday sleuthers who claim Trump had the power to clean up the swamp, but didn't. They conveniently forget that Trump was essentially under a 'gag order' the who time he was being investigated by Mueller. He could not release any information, even when it was classified, because of investigation of everything 'Russia, Russia, Russia'. And these same anti-Trumpers tried to convince us that Trump somehow possessed what I call this magical metal referred to as "vibranium" that gives Presidents infinite power to slay the fiendish evil forces at work. These doomsday sleuthers are stupid and are trying to divide and demoralize.
Glow sticks. That's fucking amazing. Thank you for the laugh!
I mean I could write about every example of shillery that comes here, but we can identify them with some critical thinking instead.
The post is long enough anyways I feel.
May I add that the people on here advocating their recreational drug use should maybe keep that to themselves too? At the risk of sounding “intolerant” I can easily see outsiders potentially using that against the movement with stuff like “oh look at those idiot pothead conspiracy theorists, etc. etc.”
I think that falls within de-railing/off-topic posts... but I'll allow it. ^_^
Yes. And forgetting outsiders, it's also spectacularly unattractive to insiders as well. The audience who would find that appealing or appropriate is sliver-small (and they're all lying to themselves, too).
But I will say, I haven't seen too much of that business here. Nor do I care what outsiders think - they can, and do, inject whatever they want into these boards, and screenshot it, and spew it. They're not interested in the truth, at all, so let's just all act decently for our own benefit, and let them say whatever they want about "QANON." I wouldn't be here if I didn't strongly, honestly believe they will all be eating sht in the near future.
I'll admit my emotions have definitely got the better of me on more than one occasion in this regard... but only when they tried to insult me first when they don't realize the point they made is wrong and didn't actually understand the point I made.
I'll take my medicine though if required.
Fair enough. :)
Which I've never done, IE insulting them out of the blue. I apologize for misreading your post. :)
Calling someone a slur immediately, unprovoked is a tried-and-true shill tactic. If nothing else, you've made the board a hostile and unpleasant place, and they consider it a win.
Because of this, this board really should have a automatic "spew profanities at the drop of a hat and go on a long vacation" policy. There is no downside to this.
Now I have called people shills at the drop of the hat (i.e. the read of a post) however, and will continue to do so - a review of the post history will reveal clearly what they are all about. I have accused dozens and dozens of clowns of that, and I believe I've been mistaken four times... and those were just garden variety serial doomers, or people who posted fake-news disinfo on this board not to distract or discredit, but because they were merely gullible morons. 😀
Here here, well done sir!
The smallest seed can sew dissention, as individuals we are weakened but as a group are strong and growing!
Also, I'd like to ad, not really user based, but beware MSM articles. MSM is essentially DS/Cabal with the goal of pushing a narrative, spreading confusion & fear. Articles posted easily take root and reap its intended goal. Not saying don't post them, but take with a grain of salt.
... or, better yet, let's put some responsibility on posters to serve these with a grain of salt. I.e. we don't need people merely crapping out MSM articles into New Posts without adding your view, insight, or commentary to it. Figure out how to actually add some value, folks - otherwise just reading, and dooting, are fine ways to leverage this site that may be more appropriate for you.
Great stuff. It feels like I am studying symbolic logic again!
Two things:
"Only the Sith deal in absolutes."
In my world view, violence is not the last resort. It's near to the last though. Violence comes before death, and death before surrender. I'd rather not do violence, but I will be violent if it is to keep me or others from dying, and I'll die before I surrender to tyranny.
The funny thing about the Sith... is that they are not inherently evil. There are sith that are in no question monsters, that purport power and emotion is always justified. They do good things, albeit in a heavy handed manner.
But that is what is wrong in their philosophy: absolutism breeds atrocity. Killing/torture/violence as a standard tool to complete a task is evil. And a philosophy, even though practical, can be wrong.
/end-star-wars-rant
You're exactly right. That's why many liberals genuinely scare me. It's not merely WHAT they do - it's that many of them sincerely believe what they are doing is good.
What's scarier - the villain who knows he's the bad guy, or the villain who believes he's the good guy?
Jagang (from sword of truth) comes to mind. He truly believed his way was the best way. I see so many societal parallels in Goodkind's novels.
I eagerly await the return of our Richard Rahl.
I have a different point of view about Q, Trump and the White Hats.
Do we really expect some type of "cult" mindset here?
I am just asking.
What you said is this exact point I am trying to make. Not everybody agrees with Q or the methods of their points. You bringing up topics of discussion to make people see a different frame of mind is the exact discussions we should be promoting here.
My fear, and its the fear of many, is that right now the amount of dooming on this forum is at an all time high. Sharks smell blood in the water, and they are coming out to feed. We need to be vigilant to identify and stop bad-actors from trashing the forum.
I hear you.
The way I see it. When someone is dooming.
That's the perfect opportunity to debate them logically. I guess I am different.
I see it as an opportunity to debate shills. Shills are trying to mentally destroy our minds.
Debating them logically shows we have discipline that we follow. That they can't break up simply by posting bad news.
I am PRO Q.
Just in a DIFFERENT way than you.
That is what makes you a patriot.
I do support Q.
I explained how and why I support it in another thread.
Why don't you go ahead link that for us right here, then.
I read that post earlier, appreciate and agree with your points about q being more about throwing the deep state off, things like putting them on edge to expend ammo and stuff like that, but especially the grassroots awakening you mentioned which is currently leading to Patriots getting more involved in local politics like school boards.
I also believe that suicide weekend wasn’t just bluffing, is a real thing that is coming, and that we are going to love how all of this ends.
Agreed...
I think I piss some people off. Because they are "waiting" for someone to come and save us.
That's where I see the whole Q movement differently.
It's time for us ALL to "WAKE THE HELL UP".
Which means we need to get involved more than we have before.
I am a software engineer. That's my strong point. I am fighting the war as a digital soilder.
Because it is an info war.
Do I hope Trump has some master plan? Sure.. that would be awesome.
But in reality.
We need US to keep growing and to become a loud voice.
The left is actually very small. The thing about them.
They have a very LOUD voice. Which makes them bigger then they are.
It's time for us to get louder.
The Q posts were patently not, in general, written to get people active and involved. There is certainly language in there that can point to that, and no one doubts that getting "involved" is not important and valuable, but you're obviously not basing anything you say on Q posts since you actually state: "For me personally.. I have moved on from Q post. It brought me to you guys."
Oh, aren't we lucky!
No, Q posts were authored largely for the express purpose of giving the people enough insight into what was going on so they wouldn't take the hundreds of millions of guns in the country and start eliminating communists and pedophiles all while the plan to take them down permanently, with a minimum of violence, was unfolding.
Noo, we're not merely "waiting for someone to save us." (And what a predictably passive-aggressively bitchy way to attempt to frame the situation, by the way.) We're just smartly taking the message from Q to give them time to let it get solved the right way.
Yes, you have every sign of someone who has "moved on from Q", whatever that means. We're not stupid. You really don't belong here, and not for any thing you believe, but because you are serially dishonest about your intentions.
Not true.
Q has given us all a path.
I am not dishonest. I am up front with what I believe.
Q "gave" you a curious path, evidently. 🤨
Here's a prime example right here in this very thread!
"ukurriku 3 points 46 minutes ago +3 / -0
Personally, the "No-one is going to save us, the plan was always us, we must ACT NOW!" people are starting wear on me. Yes, even Flynn."
Handshake account, see the seed he's sewing there? In case you don't know, handshake accounts are new, identified by a little handshake icon after their user name.
If you're one of the people and feel it's a call out, instead of getting defensive, look inwardly.
Attacking people "who say the quiet part out loud" just sounds like you're insisting you should be allowed the right of denial.
This is a place that deals in theories, right? You get mad at normies for plugging their ears to what you believe is a valid theory.
You can't turn on your own people for exploring theories and gathering evidence just because you find the conclusion to be distasteful. That's woefully unscientific for a group that labels themselves as researchers.
I also think that the whole "poisoning the well" thing is kind of fluid around here, isn't it?
Imagine that it's Jan 10, 2021. Someone puts out a theory that no, Trump will not publicly arrest Biden on inauguration day, but rather will appear to "lose", will appear to leave the White House, will appear to not be President, and Biden will appear to uneventfully take control of the country, and that the vaccine would be pushed by Trump as part of a master plan, but that despite looking bad, it'll just be optics, and Trump would secretly have everything under control.
That would have seemed like "poisoning the well" back then, because nobody here accepted the notion that Biden would get anywhere near the White House. It would have been labeled as dooming.
People are trying to adapt their theories to the reality they're seeing. Just because it's not what you believe doesn't mean it's more or less valid than what you believe, and you don't get to be the arbiter of truth on a site that is routinely accepting the notion that the truth of reality would quite literally drive unprepared normies insane.
If you wish to say the quiet part out-loud you better bring the sauce. In my experience, the bad actors I have seen who do this don't have the sauce, but are cleverly sowing doubt for doubts sake. To derail. To annoy. To enrage. Not to inform.
Times are dark. And patriots go to dark places when hope seems gone. But patriots remain vigilant even then. Discuss theories. Bring the sauce. But if you are going to doom, you better bring the sauce there too.
Oh, you explained the doom thing perfectly.
It's why concern-troll "dooming" is known to be so effective.
And you also provided the antidote to it. Passive-aggressive dooming is as easy as breathing. If you have something original to disprove the premise of this site, that the plan previewed by Q is real, then bring it. Please. But all this sad-bish whining is transparently pathetic, unhelpful, and in many cases, intentionally subversive.
"The plan" is almost the definition of a "black swan", where it's incredibly easy to cast doubt on it in a time when nobody has ever actually seen a black swan before, but in hindsight every will look back as say "Oh, of course we knew black swans were real; they just, you know, rare."🙄 But the reasons to believe in black swans right now are ever-more compelling every day, not diminishing - events are now amazingly, improbably shaking out almost exactly as it was suggested they would, even if not on the timeline that many expected/wanted. If anyone ever honestly believed in "the plan", now is patently not a time when they'd be giving up. Not with all the jaw-dropping developments that are now being quite clearly poised to detonate on the Deep State at roughly one exact moment in time. This is why the "dooming" is so spectacularly suspicious. And impatience now is a total laugh - we are seeing exactly what we have been waiting for, exactly what promised... and it is presently almost as exactly as unpleasant as we were warned (and it may even get worse). People claim to have waited months, years, and are now witnessing these absolutely incredible events, and are claiming doubt now?!?! Bull-bleeping-sht.
What sauce?
The people who are "doubting" are doing so because they don't believe the evidence of their beliefs are strong enough to support their beliefs. You're asking them to bring evidence of there being no evidence.
Look, whether the Q movement lives or dies isn't of much interest to me. But I am interested in scientific validity. Doubt is an important part of science. And doubt doesn't require evidence. It just requires doubting the evidence that exists. Which is perfectly acceptable, logically and scientifically.
That's how new theories are formed.
Isn't that what you guys are normally doing? Sure, the military doesn't APPEAR to be mobilizing in any way that suggests they're going to take over and conduct mass arrests, but that's just optics, right? It's a secret operation, and people like Flynn, Trump, and others occasionally saying things that indicates there is no military-backed Plan is just misinformation.
You believe it because you doubt the evidence that exists to the contrary of what you believe to be true based on the evidence you don't doubt.
You can't have a "rules for thee, not for me" clause here. Either it's okay to doubt evidence merely because it doesn't seem right based on your observations, or you can't. But be consistent. If someone is doubting, the appropriate response is to provide stronger evidence, not to tell them they're no longer allowed to speak openly about their theories.
And the problem is with trying to bring stronger evidence is two-fold:
There comes a point when trying to prove something to doomers becomes foolhardy. There is nothing wrong with trying to bring them to your side with evidence like you said:
But I said it in the post when it comes to poisoning the well:
That can be applied to any of my points above. There is nothing wrong with dooming. There is nothing wrong with doubting the evidence. That is what I am talking about here. I never said dooming was inherently bad. Doubt is essential to any rational discussion. But when it stubborn folks continue to doom despite rational evidence does exist, which is the case in most shill variety of doomers out there, that is when it becomes poisonous.
What's your opinion on Afghanistan? Did we have a monumental failure of intelligence the likes of which the country has maybe never seen before? Did the Taliban outsmart us and take 100 billion worth of equipment from us?
Or does it sound overwhelmingly more likely the US military set it up to happen this way?
If you accept the latter, which seems blatantly obvious to me, there would in fact seem to be a secret plan in place by the US military to, at the very least, discredit the Biden administration.
What are the odds of that being unrelated to what we've been talking about on this forum? Also extremely unlikely.
My understanding is that most of the equipment that the Taliban "stole" from us was actually stolen from the Afghan army, who abandoned it. They weren't technically our Humvees, they were the Afghan army's Humvees that we had equipped them with.
When the Afghan army fled, they left behind US-made equipment, not US equipment.
So I guess we could have taken them back before we left, but then we would have the optics of leaving the Afghan army defenseless and the Taliban's inevitable takeover would have looked like our fault.
Not sure what source you'd find convincing, but I'd be interested in reading yours.
https://www.reuters.com/business/aerospace-defense/planes-guns-night-vision-goggles-talibans-new-us-made-war-chest-2021-08-19/
The Taliban's takeover already looks like our fault lol. You think we left behind 100 billion in vehicles, weapons, and piles of cash just for the optics of "it's not our fault?" That ridiculous.
I think we didn't leave behind stuff so much as that we didn't take it back from the Afghan army and they surrendered it.
And pretty much everyone with a brain has predicted for two decades that the Taliban would retake the country pretty quickly after we left. It would have happened under Trump if he had committed to us leaving. It happened under Biden. I think that would have happened regardless.
But disarming the Afghan army beforehand would have been crucified on this board. Instead, we didn't do that, and now the Taliban has equipment we gave the Afghan army. That was always going to be a no-win situation for whichever President was brave enough to actually follow through getting us out of there.
So let me get this straight. You agree that the US military knew the Taliban was going to take over immediately. Knowing this, they still let the Taliban acquire all this equipment, but not as a way to undermine Biden, as a kind of good optics?
How in the world is arming a group that 90% of the country thinks are terrorists good optics in any way?
It's beyond obvious at this point that the powers that be are setting up fall guys like Biden and who knows who else to unite the populace.
Did you fall for the covid hoax too? Wear a mask, lockdowns, get vaccinated? All that stuff?
I agree with you.
We should not have to agree on everything here.
But don't you think that maybe, "Q is just really us"? 🤔
😂🤣
The other easy way to identify those clowns is that they have always come in waves, which I truly believe is a function of the purchase-order/delivery timeline when procuring the "services" of a troll farm.