This past week, the amount of dooming going on has been insane as of late... and I believe there are lot of shill accounts and sleeper agents coming to life in order break this movement. I consider myself a pretty decent shill hunter here, and I wish to help everybody to try to identify agents of ill intent .
There is a difference between saying somebody is criticizing what is happening, which real patriots do, and then there are those who are undermining what the movement. Both look similar, but they are NOT the same. Times are dark, but patriots are still patriots. Read their past comments. Understand their goals... and shut down shillish behavior before it derails this forum.
Do not be fooled. They are smart, and some have been around a long time. Here are some of the signs to look for:
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Saying the quiet part out loud: deep down, every patriot here understands that the entire movement... could be a farce. Could be a psyop. Could be a lie. It doesn't need to be said out loud since it is ingrained in this movement. People who are looking to demoralize will quietly bring this up in discussion. There is nothing wrong with criticizing decisions, but those who cast doubt on the movement for doubt's sake are glowsticks. Some of these examples are quite blatant, but the smart ones sow doubt. Here are a few examples:
- Q isn't real.
- Trump is not in control. He made a mistake with the poke by praising it. He is compromised by fake allies. Ect...
- Any black pilling the movement to demoralize and not as a joke. AKA embracing the honk.
- Nothing ever happens, when clearly things are happening.
- Derailing a conversation for no discernible reason other than to change the subject or sow doubt.
- Distraction posts.
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Anybody who deals in absolutes. This falls into the extremes, and glowsticks who hide behind beliefs and do not compromise. This one is tricky to understand, because a lot of these folks seem legit, at first. Every real patriot here is not looking to subjugate the left or blue-pilled folks... they are looking to save them and red-pill them. The tyrants in control are looking to dominate and control folks. Patriots would rather be able to discuss points with non-like-minded folks rather than shout them down. Here are a few examples:
- People who deal in violence, which is the only way. No patriot here wants to shed a drop of blood even of the Antifa scum. That is the LAST resort, full-stop.
- Intolerance of any kind. You are not allowed in here if you don't share our beliefs. I'm more centrist than many here and I certainly don't agree with everybody. But I want the same goal. Anybody who wishes to ban you for not agreeing with you falls in this category.
- Extremism: anybody who says follow the philosophy or burn. This mainly deals with religious types or absolutists... but you don't need to have stepped one foot in a church to call somebody evil for not agreeing. If you say "you are evil" for not agreeing with me with no logic other than the statement: thats a tell. Religions are welcomed here, the type that preach compassion. Folks that are willing to cast a net on anybody who doesn't agree with their personal philosophy are not that. Patriots do NOT court HATE. Patriots are not so intolerant they exclude. Those who do these things are no better than the enemy who looks to 'cancel' folks on the left
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Poisoning the well: anything off topic, and that will serve to make us look out illegitimate. This can be anything: from discussion of off-topic ideas to unverifiable conspiracy theories. This site is about Q, and connections that they made to a global plan to subjugate the world's population. Things that are real and tangible. A few examples:
- Tin-foil-hat conspiracies: This isn't what this site is about. These subjects only serve to turn-off interested folks and de-legitimize actual theories of this site by association. This includes lizard people, alien cabals, and thaumaturgical discussion.
- Pseudo-science: we question science. But folks who believe these ideas are just as dogmatic as the left is with vaccines and their high priest Fauci. This goes into naturalist studies, Flat-Earthers, and other pseudo sciences. You could include thaumatology here as well. The evidence doesn't matter, this isn't a discussion forum for it, and you guys won't capitulate if defeated in a rational debate, usually stating it's on us to prove them wrong (and it's not). Dogmatic beliefs in this sort of thinking can be compared to extremism.
- Theories without proof: aka ideas without sauce. You want to bring up an idea or theory? Bring the data. Without data you're just another voice polluting the well as you are directing folks from discussing a legit topic. The end goal with these people is to get folks on their side of an idea, which is antithetical to the mission as a whole: we aren't here to do your work. You want to contribute, get out there and find the sauce. Please note, this is not the same as a researchers wanted post. The purpose of those posts are to work together to find data to prove the point, not to steer away folks from another subject at hand.
This is just a bit of what is out there. The worst agents look and act just like us. Don't be fooled, and certainly don't point fingers because you don't agree with something. But if it doesn't smell right start researching them before you point a finger at them. The last thing we want this forum is to become a place of fear: a place where you will be banned for not towing the line.
If you wish to say the quiet part out-loud you better bring the sauce. In my experience, the bad actors I have seen who do this don't have the sauce, but are cleverly sowing doubt for doubts sake. To derail. To annoy. To enrage. Not to inform.
Times are dark. And patriots go to dark places when hope seems gone. But patriots remain vigilant even then. Discuss theories. Bring the sauce. But if you are going to doom, you better bring the sauce there too.
Oh, you explained the doom thing perfectly.
It's why concern-troll "dooming" is known to be so effective.
And you also provided the antidote to it. Passive-aggressive dooming is as easy as breathing. If you have something original to disprove the premise of this site, that the plan previewed by Q is real, then bring it. Please. But all this sad-bish whining is transparently pathetic, unhelpful, and in many cases, intentionally subversive.
"The plan" is almost the definition of a "black swan", where it's incredibly easy to cast doubt on it in a time when nobody has ever actually seen a black swan before, but in hindsight every will look back as say "Oh, of course we knew black swans were real; they just, you know, rare."🙄 But the reasons to believe in black swans right now are ever-more compelling every day, not diminishing - events are now amazingly, improbably shaking out almost exactly as it was suggested they would, even if not on the timeline that many expected/wanted. If anyone ever honestly believed in "the plan", now is patently not a time when they'd be giving up. Not with all the jaw-dropping developments that are now being quite clearly poised to detonate on the Deep State at roughly one exact moment in time. This is why the "dooming" is so spectacularly suspicious. And impatience now is a total laugh - we are seeing exactly what we have been waiting for, exactly what promised... and it is presently almost as exactly as unpleasant as we were warned (and it may even get worse). People claim to have waited months, years, and are now witnessing these absolutely incredible events, and are claiming doubt now?!?! Bull-bleeping-sht.
What sauce?
The people who are "doubting" are doing so because they don't believe the evidence of their beliefs are strong enough to support their beliefs. You're asking them to bring evidence of there being no evidence.
Look, whether the Q movement lives or dies isn't of much interest to me. But I am interested in scientific validity. Doubt is an important part of science. And doubt doesn't require evidence. It just requires doubting the evidence that exists. Which is perfectly acceptable, logically and scientifically.
That's how new theories are formed.
Isn't that what you guys are normally doing? Sure, the military doesn't APPEAR to be mobilizing in any way that suggests they're going to take over and conduct mass arrests, but that's just optics, right? It's a secret operation, and people like Flynn, Trump, and others occasionally saying things that indicates there is no military-backed Plan is just misinformation.
You believe it because you doubt the evidence that exists to the contrary of what you believe to be true based on the evidence you don't doubt.
You can't have a "rules for thee, not for me" clause here. Either it's okay to doubt evidence merely because it doesn't seem right based on your observations, or you can't. But be consistent. If someone is doubting, the appropriate response is to provide stronger evidence, not to tell them they're no longer allowed to speak openly about their theories.
And the problem is with trying to bring stronger evidence is two-fold:
There comes a point when trying to prove something to doomers becomes foolhardy. There is nothing wrong with trying to bring them to your side with evidence like you said:
But I said it in the post when it comes to poisoning the well:
That can be applied to any of my points above. There is nothing wrong with dooming. There is nothing wrong with doubting the evidence. That is what I am talking about here. I never said dooming was inherently bad. Doubt is essential to any rational discussion. But when it stubborn folks continue to doom despite rational evidence does exist, which is the case in most shill variety of doomers out there, that is when it becomes poisonous.
What's your opinion on Afghanistan? Did we have a monumental failure of intelligence the likes of which the country has maybe never seen before? Did the Taliban outsmart us and take 100 billion worth of equipment from us?
Or does it sound overwhelmingly more likely the US military set it up to happen this way?
If you accept the latter, which seems blatantly obvious to me, there would in fact seem to be a secret plan in place by the US military to, at the very least, discredit the Biden administration.
What are the odds of that being unrelated to what we've been talking about on this forum? Also extremely unlikely.
My understanding is that most of the equipment that the Taliban "stole" from us was actually stolen from the Afghan army, who abandoned it. They weren't technically our Humvees, they were the Afghan army's Humvees that we had equipped them with.
When the Afghan army fled, they left behind US-made equipment, not US equipment.
So I guess we could have taken them back before we left, but then we would have the optics of leaving the Afghan army defenseless and the Taliban's inevitable takeover would have looked like our fault.
Not sure what source you'd find convincing, but I'd be interested in reading yours.
https://www.reuters.com/business/aerospace-defense/planes-guns-night-vision-goggles-talibans-new-us-made-war-chest-2021-08-19/
The Taliban's takeover already looks like our fault lol. You think we left behind 100 billion in vehicles, weapons, and piles of cash just for the optics of "it's not our fault?" That ridiculous.