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bgny [S] 58 points ago +58 / -0

There may be difficult times ahead, but if left to their own devices Americans would find solutions. It would take time but machine shops could step up and start making the needed parts. Even manufacturing for IC chips could be engineered. We have plenty of raw materials and steel mills in this country. Solutions are there and when motivated and at the precipice people will provide the solutions. But we know this doesn’t happen overnight, so get prepared and stock up as it’s going to be a rocky road ahead!

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Duckhunter1960 25 points ago +25 / -0

We have plenty of wafer fab clean facilities that were abandoned & product off shored over the past 15-20 years. We used to make millions of the IC chips right in America. I worked for one of them for 30 years. May be time to fire them back up.

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Anon_69E0A63BD 12 points ago +12 / -0

That's not so easy. The equipment in those older American fabs that were closed is no where near able to do anything current for the lithography required by today's chips.

Also, if the work was offshored decades ago, likely the infrastructure of the plant was gutted and what's left is an empty shell of a building.

Now for plants that are still operational, most have some relatively recent lithography that isn't cutting edge but can create a serviceable chip design for most types of electronic semiconductor needs. It might not run as fast, it might cost more due to fewer chips per silicon wafer, and it might be barebones on some features, but should be functional and workable.

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Sturmgeschutz 9 points ago +9 / -0

Working in the industry, we have everything we need to make it happen. We need manufacturers to want to go back to US made chips.

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DaesDaemar 4 points ago +4 / -0

While I agree old businesses aren't ready to just fire back up and start cranking out 90s technology, I absolutely agree we have the engineering skill and labor talent to make our own stuff. We absolutely need to do so ASAP.

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rooftoptendie 1 point ago +1 / -0

agreed, I was thinking reading this, "so what, go to a fabricator, they'll make you whatever you want." Now chips is obviously different than a truck part, but for a bunch of engineers, how hard can it fucking be, right? Biggest issue is materials.

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DaesDaemar 2 points ago +2 / -0

Making 1 copycat part is probably not too hard, but making 10,000 of them in a year and making a profit.. that's hard on another level. Supply chains, tolerancing, labor, manufacturing equipment payoff, etc. Good people cost money, and they add up fast.

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Sturmgeschutz 2 points ago +2 / -0

Admittedly, it is quite difficult. It takes some really knowledge engineers to design a chip from the ground up. The other difficulty is having the tooling and infrastructure. The lack of chips is also interesting. EV inventory has increased yoy and sales decreased. whereas trucks/suvs is inversely proportional. How are EVs sitting around lots but we can't find a chip for a truck? Also, look at chip factory outputs and static inventory. You may be surprised

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rooftoptendie 1 point ago +1 / -0

i know nothing about the tooling equipment required to make chips, seems like it would be pretty highly specialized shit, but engineers are fuckin amazing when they are allowed carte blanche to solve a problem.

I am still resentful of the IoT movement anyway, I don't want that shit. I don't want a car with a dang computer chip in it and sensors everywhere. And I know a LOT of other people who don't too. I think if someone came out with an old-school built car, people would be lined up to the moon to get one.

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gobby 15 points ago +15 / -0

I believe in good old American ingenuity and the American fighting spirit. I will admit, that faith was dented a bit during the great toilet paper shortage debacle of 2020. Who woulda thunk a country like ours would have had such a shortage for so long? I was telling everyone, don't sweat it. These companies will put on a 2nd and 3rd shift to fill the need. This will be over in no time. Meanwhile ... 3 months later ...

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LongTimeListener 7 points ago +7 / -0

The toilet paper shortage was more about shipping space as anything. Once people bought up a stores stock it was tough to replenish because toilet paper takes up so much space on the trucks.

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DaesDaemar 1 point ago +1 / -0

Plus, stores only keep what they think they will sell until the next shipment. If their "just in time shipping" models get thrown out of whack then there are empty shelves because they don't have enough trucks booked to handle things that quickly. They don't have months worth of stockpile sitting around ready to handle any major call. (afaik)

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Merkava_4 3 points ago +4 / -1

Did Americans ever really need all that toilet paper?

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Shittyshittygangbang 11 points ago +11 / -0

We are quite full of shit on occasion.

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mengderen 4 points ago +4 / -0

2020, the year that started with a run on TP and ended up in the crapper-and now that crapper needs rotorooting... 🤔

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libtards_r_stoopid 3 points ago +3 / -0

I have quite the stockpile now.

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rooftoptendie 2 points ago +2 / -0

I have a bidet now.

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libtards_r_stoopid 3 points ago +3 / -0

Nice. We have a bidet in the Whitehouse too.

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MuckeyDuck 13 points ago +13 / -0

Like those people who say when food shortage occurs they plan on growing a garden. One could starve to death a bunch of time between planting, and harvest, and it is not easy if you don't have some experience with what grows in area, when to plant including what to start inside early, how to prepare soil, how to choose the best spot to plan to avoid flooding, how to control insects etc.

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CokeOrPepe 3 points ago +3 / -0

And the amount, to figure it out this year, we created a couple planter boxes, we planted some peas and carrots, months later we had enough for a couple of meals.

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muhqtardtho 7 points ago +7 / -0

That's how it works in Mexico. My dad said every town had a fab shop that made those parts because they couldn't afford to import everything or the time to wait for them. Kinda funny this came up while he was bitching he had to buy an entire kit to replace a spring he lost while working on the work truck.

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cee8hooz 2 points ago +2 / -0

You are so rich in mexico to not check some "junk" yard ? We in Poland do this only if somebody have good earnings,live in bigger city or have no basic knowledge about repairing the cars and nobody in our family having such knowledge...

But about buying entire kit - no tools or no parts affordable - no fun. Original new parts cost.

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muhqtardtho 0 points ago +0 / -0

Yeah they also use junkyards for used parts. It was just a common thing for them to use a fab shop to create parts because they don't have access to all of the same things we do in America. It was just another option that was way more common.

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GoGoOptomistic 4 points ago +4 / -0

With President Trump and his admin this will be possible.

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RobFromTechServices 20 points ago +20 / -0

......lead times are ridiculous right now. Most of the people who knew how to do shit retired. It will be rough but I am in it to win it....lets go.

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Anon_69E0A63BD 10 points ago +10 / -0

Lead times can be a consequence of lean manufacturing methodology.

Basically factories get their orders setup far in advance to fill their productive capacity. If / when there is a supply shock or disruption, the entire process is fouled by the missing piece in the production line. Lean methodology doesn't encourage having inventory on hand to blunt supply shocks as inventory is a negative pin the balance sheet. Therefore production had been tooled to be just-in-time nearly everywhere and this leads to supply disruption for any number of logistical supply shocks.

IMO, industry should look at logistics from the perspective of supply lines and military engagements. Long supply lines are generally a risk to operational security in a military theatre as there are significantly more points along the line where an interruption can occur and then your army doesn't advance to the mission objective of any of those points experience an issue. If industry has a logistical supply line that crosses an ocean as their only source of a critical specialized part to production, then they should be certain to store inventory on that part that substantially exceeds the average monthly usage. If the part is made by factory B across the street and is critical, but uncomplicated in design, then user just-in-time methodology for that part. Finally, manufacturers should back track with their suppliers bottleneck points in the logistics of their suppliers being generally able to supply the finished parts to remove the 2nd, 3rd, 4th tier potential logistical bottlenecks from factoring in delaying production for the 1st tier part suppliers to the product manufacturer.

Now after doing this, logistics will be shored up substantially and the manufacturers supply lines should stabilize. Although admittedly, costs of finished products will necessarily increase some in this methodology. The benefit is, the supply line is substantially less vulnerable to disruption from external global factors.

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ImBillCurtis 6 points ago +6 / -0

Quality-pede here. This is a big ass problem in pharma atm. Just-in-time manufacturing and lean principles are causing huge API shortages with medications. Doesn’t help that most of our active pharmaceutical ingredients are manufactured in CHYNA.

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scurfie 3 points ago +3 / -0

My HS friend wrote a book and was giving talks around the USA about Just-In-Time manufacturing. He developed the theory while working at Hershey. Sadly he has passed away.

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Donaldo2017 17 points ago +17 / -0

Bad guys out there want to crash the economy. Then they can buy things up for pennies on the dollar.

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mengderen 4 points ago +5 / -1

Atlas Shrugged enters the chat.... 😉

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SvixGale 0 points ago +1 / -1

Yeah but Who is John Galt, anyway?

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mengderen 1 point ago +2 / -1

And has he stopped the worlds engines this time???

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ythehorses 15 points ago +15 / -0

We used to make stuff. We'll make it again. Maybe we will actually have to do labor and hard work. Which will be good for us.

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Merkava_4 6 points ago +7 / -1

Not gonna happen if 2/3 of the population is sick/dying from vaccine mandates.

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libtards_r_stoopid 2 points ago +3 / -1

And not gonna happen when we are in the midst of creating a whole younger generation of lazy check collectors and sending all the kids to college for useless degrees while sipping Starbucks and worrying about the lates phones and fashions. We got a long way to fall in order to start building ourselves back up

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SvixGale 2 points ago +3 / -1

Too many comments like this in here. Y'all totally & completely miss the point.

You can't just build a factory in a day, nor even a month.

You can't just wave a magic wand and magically start producing stuff like truck driveshafts, computer chips, etc. overnight, prob not even in a year.

The point is that we're going to start seeing massive shortages NOW, and it will take a very significant amount of time to address those, and that time in between is what will be brutal.

Also understand that everything - LITERALLY EVERYTHING is trucked at some point.

People don't understand how crucial trucking is.

This is a very significant post - and it's now proven true - and seems a lot in here aren't getting the true impact.

Proof this OP is true: https://cdllife.com/2021/kenworth-to-lay-off-at-least-350-workers-as-hundreds-of-semis-sit-idle/

ETA:

MORE PROOF OP IS ACCURATE. This article is actually from April.... Is the parts shortage STILL an issue??

https://www.trucknews.com/equipment/truck-parts-shortage-intensifies-extending-to-common-parts/1003150478/

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Reassess_Reevaluate 13 points ago +14 / -1

I have an hour long commute along a major interstate highway. I spend two hours a day sharing the road with everything that has wheels. There's just as many trucks out there right now as there were two years ago before this shit started going down.

I'm not saying that there aren't parts shortages or that things couldn't get real bad real quick. But I am saying that you still have some time left to get stocked up right now. The trucks are at least still moving currently.

If you wait until there's half as many trucks on the road due to shortages, then you're already too late to start putting food away for you and your family.

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TitoshandmadePatriot 9 points ago +9 / -0

they're moving until theyre not.

trucks are currently waiting a month for a single part, while mechanic shops are having to scoure truck junk yards or have the parts on hand from a wrecked truck to be able to get it on the road faster.

my truck isnt being repaired with new parts, they're all junk yard parts to keep it running. if I need a major repair no clue how long I'll be down

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Anon_69E0A63BD 12 points ago +12 / -0

Looks like American parts manufacturers (motion raceworks for instance) for building drag racing cars for that subculture group (Cleetus McFarland types), need to expand into building driveshaft for our nation's trucks.

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Sodium_miner 12 points ago +12 / -0

Compressed air industry is seeing some shortages as well. This is a very big deal if it gets worse because without compressed air there is no manufacturing. Every industry uses it. Shits getting crazy. We’ve been sold out to China and they are deciding to cut us off.- I will add a lot of these parts come from Europe but because of the nazi takeover their manufacturers there aren’t making parts either.

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SvixGale 3 points ago +3 / -0

Oh great, now we're running out of AIR?????

😵😳😵‍💫🤯

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MordenGeist 11 points ago +11 / -0

What I've advocated for years now is get rid of all the complex sensors and bullshit on everything, go back to basics. Cars, trucks, semi, everything that has that crap as a "comfort" option.

Was a time this country ran quite well without any of it.

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SvixGale 4 points ago +4 / -0

Damn, THAT is a great idea!!!! I didn't realize but you are right; a shit ton of the electronics are just enviro-nazi bullshit, right??

I wonder how hard it would be to DE-computerize a modern (2020 model year) semi; pull the electronics & bullshit out of it, so it could run without it.

I mean; I'm sure there's a lot of stuff like backup cameras, etc. that's truly useful, but your point stands. And I'll bet a ton of the electronics are completely draconian, bureaucratic enviro-nazi emissions bullshit. 🤬🤦🏻

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MordenGeist 2 points ago +2 / -0

All one needs to ask is, "Is this really useful? How? Why do I perceive need of it? Can the same objectives be reached without it?"

The simple answer to the majority of things these days we THINK we need, is yes. People have been trained to be consumers, regardless of it's true impact on their lives; to want it because someone else does and fear of being ridiculed or losing bragging rights, not because they actually NEED it.

Cellphones are a perfect example: Sure they're convenient, have a lot of crap on them to distract us, but that's rather the point of their creation by those who would keep Humanity cowed and stupid, is it not?🧐

Your points on the enviro-nazi bullshit, are likewise on target. None of it is needed. Global Warming by Humans is fiction. It is but a means to bilk people out of hard earned money and lower their well-being for a matrix of delusion and fantasy.

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SvixGale 2 points ago +2 / -0

Agree 1,000%

It's fascinating when you look at the world thru a similar perspective, how much utter bullshit has been imposed on us just for the sake of bureaucrats.......

It's quite sickening really....

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Sodium_miner 2 points ago +2 / -0

Spot on, I won’t name the company but these people are more concerned with selling “energy efficiency “ that reliability. These compressors are so complex it’s ridiculous. VSD everything with touch screen controllers and completely overly complicated for no reason other than the supposedly saving the polar bears. Meanwhile the parts are cheap as shit and you have to replace “wearable” parts at stupid short service intervals. I’ve seen 30-40 year old compressors still kicking while the life span of these might be 5-8 years. It pisses me off.

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SvixGale 2 points ago +2 / -0

So you're a polar bear murderer too??

😁🙃

Agree tho; I know exactly what you mean & it drives me fucking insane.

Hopefull we are able to turn the tables & create our OWN "Great Reset" whic

Fuck; talk about your bunch of "useless eaters": it's THEM; not us!

It's the bureaucrats & the environazis who are the useless eaters!!!!

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rooftoptendie 2 points ago +2 / -0

see how if globohomo had taken the extra 20 years to implement NWO, all the people who knew about that old school shit would be retired/dead...?

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MordenGeist 2 points ago +2 / -0

Oh I am keenly aware, fellow pede 🐸😎

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Xandy_B0i 6 points ago +6 / -0

Stock up now people

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yldngo 5 points ago +5 / -0

Part of awakening the US citizens to being the citizens they should be might be a precipice of American manufacturing independence. I could see [them] doing something awful like blowing 3GD and wreaking havoc on the chinese as well as the global supply chain just to mess with humanity... then see it backfiring when nations become self reliant again instead of just dying off.

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cee8hooz 2 points ago +2 / -0

Well becoming 100% self reliant would be hard,but don't having even minimum like it were/is happening is disaster. No redundancy,no backup,everything from China...

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y000danon 5 points ago +5 / -0

Lol 🇨🇺 Cuba did pretty well

in before someone else shitposts this

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cee8hooz 2 points ago +2 / -0

Everyone can, as if costs of new cars and parts are big enough using "junk" and creativity is at least affordable.

The problem would be however too many modern cars in USA. More electronics more problems to repair it.

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y000danon 1 point ago +1 / -0

Agree.

I don’t even like working on fuel injection.

I run rich, fart rich, and buy so much shit I stay poor! insert Howard Dean YEAH

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ImBillCurtis 5 points ago +5 / -0

Semi-related: manager at my local lunch spot (good salad joint) informed me that their distributor (Sysco) had been struggling to fill orders and find suppliers for a lot of stuff. They were anticipating their new chicken supplier to raise costs to 7-8 bucks within the next couple of weeks when their new contract kicks in. I think people in general know what’s up, but a huge group are living like it’s pre-crash 2008 again.

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Boozy_McFuckFace 2 points ago +2 / -0

I work in food production, repairing and servicing automation in quality assurance. We are in every major manufacturer in many different markets such as French fries, potato chips, almonds, fruit and veggies.

We are seeing 3 issues. Not enough people to work in the plants to make the food. Not enough people for us to hire to go service machines. Too many travel restrictions for us to travel to other countries to fix machines.

We can’t risk sending people to Canada for a 3 day job, because they have to stay for weeks. So we can’t really support Canada at the moment. This goes for ALL engineering support, not just us. It’s the entire economy.

It’s pretty worrying. I don’t know how much more Canada can take before it becomes too difficult to reverse the damage. As bad as it is here, the economy in Canada is far far far worse.

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ImBillCurtis 1 point ago +1 / -0

It’s interesting you mentioned the labor shortage... I’ve been getting job offers (including Pfizer, Moderna, and AZ) they’re offering huge salaries/rates for on site production. Told them to fuck off, since they both wanted help with vaccine mfg. It’s like all of a sudden there’s just not enough qualified people to produce everything.

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Stephanie1 4 points ago +4 / -0

what about that 3d printing thingamabobbee capabiltity

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DeathRayDesigner 3 points ago +3 / -0

Ingenious and moving along, but so far the parts are not yet ready for prime time when it comes to major load-bearing. Toothbrush, okay. Chisel, no way.

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cee8hooz 1 point ago +1 / -0

As you are quite far away I would give my idea about 3d printing for free.

Print with vax, make a form, make a casting. Problem is with doing metal castings, you would neat some source of heat (maybe furnace) and some knowledge.

Chisel wouldn't be affordable and good this way,but...

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rooftoptendie 1 point ago +1 / -0

ready and waiting. They can't do everything, but engineers and fabricators are learning how to use it and loving it. Every day somebody figures out more cool shit you can do with the tech.

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UnderCoverTrumper 4 points ago +4 / -0

Why. Aren't. American. Companies. Making. These. Parts.

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rooftoptendie 2 points ago +2 / -0

you know why.

but now we will be making them here. And when we do, the costs will go up, because you'll be getting a real cost, and not a subsidized chynese cost. Which will cause inflation. But the dollar is already worth less as it is, so it would be inflation on top of inflation. Then the negative feedback loop starts, and boom. venezuela. GEOTUS said it himself today.

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UnderCoverTrumper 2 points ago +2 / -0

I worry about retired folks who have nothing but their (increasingly worthless) savings. I'd rather have the parts made in America though!

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PeaceAndLovePatriot 4 points ago +4 / -0

All this means is we need to manufacture at HOME

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rooftoptendie 1 point ago +1 / -0

we all know this, and we all want to. We watched Detroit turn into a hellhole filled with violence and substance abuse. People WANT to work. We are not being allowed to.

Regulations preclude small local businesses from starting their own productions, leaving only big manufacturers left to make the products. Big manufacturers are mostly ex-royal elites who are down with Kalergi. I know a few people right now with the skills and werewithal to do a LOT more with their engineering and specialized labor skills than what they are doing now. What stops them from rising up and doing something about it? Red tape. Period. What stops local ranchers from slaughtering and selling their own meat to local supermarkets? Red tape. What stops people from creating local trade-based economies? Red tape.

The Fiefdom Lords say it's not allowed.

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Maui_Boy 3 points ago +3 / -0

Try to buy directly from the source. Make sure it’s American

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rooftoptendie 3 points ago +3 / -0

boycotting chynese goods is one of the most important thing you can do right now... I just bought some american made tupperware the other day. Feelsgoodman.

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cee8hooz 3 points ago +3 / -0

As for electronics:

Reverse enginering of old ones/projecting some + some FPGA or arduino maybe. Costly and can be big,but it could work some time if shit hits the fan.

If not some "junk" chips and parts too. If I were mechanic I would visit nearest junk yards. Crushing and scrapping whole cars is cheap and not requires paying to big salaries to employees but there are some parts in cars that are pretty good.

I heard you Americans have terrible customs about cars and not enough knowledge about conservation,but thing is some junk part are quite in good shape - the problem is it wasn't affordable to recover it because of costs of workforce. Old one but working may be not the best but may be however working.

In Poland because our salaries are shitty "lower class" and "middle class" usually buy used cars,and if somebody in family have basic mechanical knowledge then hurray ! - we buy some parts from junkyard same original ones and...

Of course salaries in USA are much higher but as it will be less available that might get affordable.

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BlaineBug 3 points ago +3 / -0

New car dealer lots are all barren in northwest Indiana. Moreso now than ever.

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rooftoptendie 2 points ago +2 / -0

two dealerships in my neighborhood flat out closed recently.

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kish-kumen 2 points ago +3 / -1

Someone you know has a Galt Motor (or equivalent).

Help yourself by helping them.

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Notimportant2 2 points ago +2 / -0

Wasn't interrupting supply flow the subject Dufour at Davos or the world economic meeting?

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Amos 2 points ago +2 / -0

What's that, cutting our supply lines?

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Notimportant2 2 points ago +2 / -0

Dufour not dufour.

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Amos 2 points ago +2 / -0

du jour

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Notimportant2 2 points ago +2 / -0

I think autocorrect has it in for me. It knows I hate it.

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rooftoptendie 1 point ago +1 / -0

Dufrane, party of two.... Dufrane.

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SvixGale 2 points ago +2 / -0

Can we please get confirmation of this? Sorry but random, anecdotal social media posts aren't the most compelling "proof" in the world, if you know what I mean...

ESP. The part about Kenworth layoffs; that should be easy to find proof.

I'll start looking, if anyone else finds anything please share & I will do the same.

ETA: Well holy shit!

https://cdllife.com/2021/kenworth-to-lay-off-at-least-350-workers-as-hundreds-of-semis-sit-idle/

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yudsfpbc 1 point ago +1 / -0

Hey, maybe shutting down the world's economy for a bad cold was not a very good idea? I don't know, just a shot in the dark.

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BluEydDvl 1 point ago +1 / -0

Now I don’t know if Brooks Combs is bullshitting or not. But maybe he should look other places for his parts before he freaks out.

Drivetrainamerica.com has 317 of the 5-675X 1710 u-joint & 737 of the 5-280X 1710 u-joint

He’ll even the Napa auto parts in my moms tiny city in the middle of nowhere has some in stock.

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MetalThatMatters 1 point ago +1 / -0

Why buy new, when used will do?

This is why salvage parts are good in all types of economies.

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Choctaw 1 point ago +2 / -1

In the opening of "Basic Economics" written by our good friend Thomas Sowell, lays out the framework of supply, demand, usage of materials. What is/are the common items and/or materials that could be the cause of the shortages? There are going to be some things that work across a lot of these industries. I would guess that if we put our collective minds and research together we could find out what is precisely in "short supply".

I personally don't think there is an actual shortage of any of this stuff, it's completely artificial, exactly when there is a supposed oil//fuel shortage. There is more than likely a withholding of certain small items in the manufacturing process for all the items mentioned here, and I do infer there is a lie being spread about supply. "We can't assemble the driveshafts b/c X supplier is out of c-clips to assemble the u-joints, we can't make this and only this particular circuit board b/c we are missing 1 globally available chemical for the lithography process, we can't manufacture compressors b/c of the o-ring shortage, you know the ones that are $2 per thousand". Dollars to donuts it is a very inexpensive component that will never get media attention that is being withheld. You're going to tell me that a company that offers c-clips for the last 60 yrs, all of the sudden, can't supply them anymore?

This entire occurrence reeks of the same falsehood of when the Canadian couple who owned the pharma company committed "suicide", and oh yeah, they just happened to make HCQ as well. It's contrived to create a false narrative, and drive everyday people back to being controlled peasants. The cabal wants us all wearing sackcloth, being sick and filthy, with just enough energy to do what they tell us while being so worn down as to never challenge them and be grateful to them that they allow us scraps, while owing our lives to them. This is all about control.

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Donaldo2017 1 point ago +1 / -0

DJT got medical equipment done as an emergency.