Hello Team,
We recently received word from the client that (company) will soon need to attest to the COIVD-19 vaccination status of our employees on the contract.
The client requests that all employees on this contract be fully vaccinated by November 22, 2021.
At this time, I just wanted to notify you that we received this communication. I will be reaching out to our employees in the following weeks as more information is provided to us.
I know some of you may have some questions or concerns. Please do not hesitate to reach out to me. I am more than happy to discuss your questions and concerns.
If you are not yet vaccinated, below is a timeline that (client) provided to meet their vaccination deadline according to the type of vaccine.
• The Pfizer-BioNTech/COMIRNATY COVID-19 vaccine is approved by the FDA and is the only mandatory COVID-19 vaccine. Individuals should get their second shot 3 weeks (or 21 days) after the first. This means that in order for Federal employees to meet a November 22 deadline, they should receive their first vaccination no later than October 18, and their second dose no later than November 8.
• The Moderna COVID-19 vaccine, is authorized for voluntary use. Individuals should get their second shot 4 weeks (or 28 days) after their first. This means that in order for Federal employees to meet a November 22 deadline, they should receive their first vaccination dose no later than October 11, and their second dose no later than November 8.
• The Johnson & Johnson/Janssen (J&J) COVID-19 vaccine is also authorized for voluntary use. Because J&J only has one shot, Federal employees must get that dose by November 8, in order to meet a November 22 deadline to be fully vaccinated.
• If using vaccines on the World Health Organization (WHO) Emergency Use Listing (EUL) or approved for use in a clinical trial, ensure adequate time is allotted for the respective dosing protocols to meet the 22 November suspense.
The Center for Disease Control (CDC) has found the available COVID vaccinations are safe and extremely effective in precluding most infections and in minimizing the severity of the few breakthrough infections.
Does anyone else find the wording below interesting?
“The client requests that all employees on this contract be fully vaccinated by November 22, 2021.”
They request it? Not requires?
Yea it seem like request fulfillment is a Condition of Performance whereas fulfilling a requirement would be a Condition of Employment.
The one things I take from this is that Falcon's employer must be complicit in the vaxx mandate, or they would tell the client to go jump, or at least revise the contract to state that the company who requires any vaccine to be taken, agrees to be legally liable for any harm that arises from that required action.
That might be a good question to ask, to force the employee to admit, or deny that the mandate is theirs too.
I would also be interested to know if Falcon is onsite, or remote worker.
Sorry, just realized you are OP.
Yea, funny thing is though, this company is in the final option year of this contract. They don’t even qualify to bid on the contract renewal after June 2022. So it’s going to go to another company either way. Now with that being said, my company could partner with another company, win the contract again and become a sub-contractor.
Either way, I’m not taking it. I need my job and it pays really well but I won’t be taking a chance on my health or my life to work for someone.
I haven’t read through the EO yet because well, let’s go Brandon. But does mandate extend to subs or just the primes? If not If I worked for a prime I’d be shopping for a sub
From what I understand, it was supposed to be for all federal employees, including contractors. There has been some information that recently came out saying there never really was a mandate at all, just a press release. That kind of lines up with the emails I’ve been getting from work basically saying this is coming... get ahead of it and get your jab... let’s all be ready when the deadline comes. Either way, I won’t do it.
I hear from fed friends I used to work with them that they haven’t gotten any implementing guidance down yet. Even though the first deadline for the moderna is Columbus Day. And I find the caveats embedded in the wording interesting. Saying that the eua ones are voluntary. And as the Pfizer one is still eua implying it is also voluntary. Because the mandated one isn’t available.
Yes, all seems like some messed up wordsmithing, right?
When they are the client, a “request” is non binding legally, and if people die they can say, “we just requested it”. If they REQUIRE it, that could bring liability. It’s a freaking devious way to force people to do what they want by threatening them with the revenue from the contract. It’s immoral.
Agreed. The fact they used request just tells me right off the bat, they have no authority to force it. It is 100% illegal. We will have to see if they get away with it but I hate to say it, we’ve seen crazier things.
“Thank you for submitting your request, at this time it has been denied.”
Haha! Short and sweet!
Looks like you're off the hook.
The only vaccine approved by the FDA is COMIRNATY and it's not available in the USA, or anywhere for that matter. The Pfizer-BioNTech vaccine is still EUA.
https://djhjmedia.com/rich/pfizer-biontech-vaccine-is-still-under-eua-comirnaty-was-approved-but-will-not-be-available-for-some-time-causing-confusion/
Agreed! I have a response I found here that I will be sending them. Wondering if I should CC the whole company in the response or send one only to HR.
I advise, for now, just send to HR.
Now depending on what stage you are in, if you were in contact with an attorney, then you should also cc: to attorney. In fact, if you intend to take this to the mat, I would contact an Attorney first, and then send to HR with cc: to Attorney, if that is what attorney advises also.
I’ve thought about contacting an attorney as well but honestly, I don’t know if I would find one to fight it.
If anyone has any experience with the front line doctors attorneys or knows of a good attorney that would take the case, let me know.
Attorneys are listed in link at CoreyDigs I just sent.
cc everyone. fuck them at this point.
Seriously considering it man. I need my job but I will not get the vaxx. Period.
I understand that it’ll either go one of two ways. They either back off after reading my response or I’ll get fired even earlier than I would.
I feel like a lot of my coworkers are not wanting to get the shot either, just in the same boat and need their jobs so they don’t say anything.
Also, if you haven't already, see the form "Form for Employers Requiring Covid-19 Injections under Emergency Use Authorization" and information at this link.
Really appreciate this MuckeyDuck! Thanks for the help!
You're welcome. Good luck, I will pray for you tonight.
I appreciate that brother. Thank you very much.
The employer needs to be notified that the Comirnaty jab, that is the only one approved by the FDA , is not even available in the US and there is no timetable for when it will be. Although the FDA has stated that the BioNTech jab is interchangeable with Comirnaty, they are treated as two separate entities and are not legally the same jab. The BioNTech jab is still under EUA and is classified as experimental. There are NO FDA approved vaxxines available in the US - PERIOD!
Therefore, all the current vaxxines available in the US are still under EUA only and cannot be mandated. In addition, the liability waiver for those jabs is still in effect and no data is available as to the complete list of ingredients they contain and must still be classified as part of a clinical trial. Complete informed consent is impossible.
Q&A for Comirnaty - FDA
This will be a great response if they try to dance around any of my questions. Thanks for the info!
Print the FDA sheet off and highlight the section I quoted. They are "legally" distinct. It also states the same thing on the actual FDA approval paperwork. They have tried to pull a fast one. In addition, there is no EO that mandates employers with more than 100 employees to mandate the jab. Look it up. They only talked about an EO, but they did not actually write one. Also, the EO requiring Federal workers to be jabbed is also bogus. The language states:
Legally they cannot mandate an experimental medical procedure. It is against Federal informed consent laws. They have pulled the wool over everyone's eyes and they are getting away with it.
45 CFR § 46.116 - General requirements for informed consent.
FDA - informed consent
I think what you're saying is no matter how you cut it, the Pfizer-BioNTech vaccine is still legally approved under EUA, and notwithstanding it's interchangeability with the Pfizer-BioNTech product, all the laws and regulations for EUA products still applies.
I'm sure you know why they're doing this right. Because if a they had approve a product that was Adequate, Approved, and Available , then J&J, and Moderna would lose EUA approval.
"if “there is no adequate, approved, and available alternative"
These people think we are stupid, and by the looks of it they were largely correct.
The sad part is that the public really is that stupid. Everyone is falling in line thinking these jabs are approved. Even OP makes it clear that the company is under the illusion that the available Pfizer jab is FDA approved, and therefore can be mandated. The company clearly understands that an EUA jab cannot be made mandatory. The language in the docs issued for the FDA approval are written with deliberately confusing language. But, the FDA's own website that I posted states that Comirnaty and the Pfizer/BioNTech jabs are "legally" separate products. I just don't get how people cannot see it.
I copied the link and pasted it in my notes but you’re right, it’s probably best to print it off so I have it and it doesn’t magically disappear.
Also putting the info about the EO in my questions. Thanks again for the info, Fren!
I added another thought to the reply. I will add the link to the Federal register.
It looks like it is there...
https://www.federalregister.gov/documents/2021/09/14/2021-19924/ensuring-adequate-covid-safety-protocols-for-federal-contractors
This involves federal contractors - not the supposed EO that was never written that mandates companies with 100 or more workers. The key language in these "mandates" is the phrase, "...shall, to the extent permitted by law,..." Here is the point - unless these things are challenged for the reasons I already previously stated, they are going to continue to get away with pulling off this clearly illegal action. It is against the law to force or coerce anyone to subject themselves to medical experimentation. More people need to be calling out the fact that the jabs that are available in the US are NOT FDA approved. The whole sham is a bait and switch and employees need to start making this fact known. By getting the word out we can shift the tide. The status of the available jabs has not changed. If a person is injured or dies, the manufacturers or the Federal government basically has no liability.
I think there is still a case to me made for holding employers responsible and make them accept liability. I person does not necessarily need to refuse - they can have conditional acceptance. Which means, the employer first must provide certain things like safety data, for you to accept. There have been several posts in the last couple of weeks on how to do this.
Frankly, most companies are going to just knuckle under rather than stand their ground. No EO can legally mandate experimental medical treatment. If however, employees start filing lawsuits and seeking injunctions, nothing will change. This is why the cabal decided to twist the arms of the private sector. Companies are afraid of just the threat of fines that may or may not even exist. Often just the threat of having the Feds crawl up your asteroids with a microscope is enough. This is a tough situation and it will be a long and hard fought battle ahead. But, if we do not push back, they are going to kill all of us. There are other class action suits out there - see if any of them fit or get some people and start one. Do not take this jab to save your job. Your life is not worth it. We have no idea about the long term damage if someone manages to survive the initial onslaught. Good luck fren.
I love this place! Thank you Mac, I really appreciate it!
You are most welcome. This whole thing has been one big con. They are allowing all the employers to do their dirty work and legally left holding the bag. The government and the drug companies are in the clear. They are not responsible for an entity not exercising their due diligence on what the applicable laws are. You would think that lawyers that work for these clients would be smarter than they are. I only studied law, never graduated, and I know this. The lawsuits could very well completely crash us. Part of their plan I am sure.
Absolutely one big con. That’s why either way, I won’t get the jab. I might lose my job but I have come to peace with it. I feel eventually, after we are through all of this, it will open other doors and allow me to take a different direction. Try to find a way to become more self sufficient.
Pfizer is not approved.
There is no mandate... it's a press release, no official documents exist.
Exactly. All things I will be including in my response.
Good luck 🙏
Thanks fren!
I wonder if you can request a printed copy of the official Federal Mandate... at least it might wake up someone while they search.
That is on my list of questions. I picked this up off of GAW the other day and thought it was great. It’s not refusing to take the jab, it’s just asking all the right questions...
I write with regard to the matter of potential covid vaccine and my desire to be fully informed and appraised of ALL facts before going ahead. I’d be most grateful if you could please provide the following information, in accordance with statutory legal requirements.
That's a great response!!!
Edited to ask Does OSHA or whoever have MSDS sheets on vaccines?
I thought so too. There’s no way they can successfully answer the questions.
I wonder if I’ll even get a response to it! I’ll be sure to post an update.
That is possibly a good list of questions. I say possibly because I'm not sure legally the company is obligated to provide that information.
I got this list of questions off of CoreyDigs all of which have reference to legal precedent.
Form for Employers Requiring Covid-19 Injections under Emergency Use Authorization You have to scroll down a bit to see the actual form which is downloadable in .pdf format.
Also, one more note. (You probably already know this) The reason FDA approved a non-existent product called Comirnaty, and not the actual Pfizer vaccine is that if they had approved the Pfizer jab, the J&J, and Moderna jabs would have lost EUA unless fully approved at same time. Rule for EUA says there can't be any other drugs approved and AVAILABLE. Since Comirnaty is approved, but not available, it does not force the other to drop EUA.