In this case it's to put gentle pressure on someone who has expressed offense during the period we had difficulty communicating the offense. It prevents him from dropping the subject or diverting. He asked us to relinquish the forum in Jesus's name, and I take that seriously and will not permit him to leave it uncontextualized. It's still his job to provide the context.
Now that he has given a responsible, dialogue-advancing reply we can probably proceed more naturally.
In general, the sales tactic of the "presumptive close" is a bargaining method of laying out different options that are all acceptable to the proposer and directing dialogue toward the proposition that the choice has been made nonverbally already. Sometimes it's very effective, sometimes it's manipulative, and it can even sink to the level of gaslighting.
Any time you think I'm manipulating, please advise! (I hope I'm not "manipulating" to give you the "options" of (1) if you are offended please take responsibility to tell me and (2) if you don't tell me I'll assume you're not offended. But see, the unstated option is that (3) you exert the right to retain offense and not have to tell me. By my framing I'm gently pushing you away from that risk. So there is a responsible use of persuasion.)
First off, I have told you before re the utterly defenseless ! christian... Proclivity of
choosing "YOU offended me, or I am offended & YOU are the cause, & YOU better Apologize (by castrating yourself before me, as it were). It's crappy behaviors like that All-high+mighty Arrogance, that makes me AVOID most christians.
So do >I< ever get Offended? YES. When a person INTENDS harming or hurting me, or someone else (as do the 3-letter agencies, Or even just 1 person), I Choose to be offended. AND yes, such Abusive behaviors DO merit Apologies at the very least.
So what started all that ^^ you ask? - By you typing "offended" thrice in 2 sentences :) I am just explaining myself, Again - as you seem to have forgotten :)
In this case it's to put gentle pressure on someone who has expressed offense during the period we had difficulty communicating the offense. It prevents him from dropping the subject or diverting. He asked us to relinquish the forum in Jesus's name, and I take that seriously and will not permit him to leave it uncontextualized. It's still his job to provide the context.
Now that he has given a responsible, dialogue-advancing reply we can probably proceed more naturally.
In general, the sales tactic of the "presumptive close" is a bargaining method of laying out different options that are all acceptable to the proposer and directing dialogue toward the proposition that the choice has been made nonverbally already. Sometimes it's very effective, sometimes it's manipulative, and it can even sink to the level of gaslighting.
Any time you think I'm manipulating, please advise! (I hope I'm not "manipulating" to give you the "options" of (1) if you are offended please take responsibility to tell me and (2) if you don't tell me I'll assume you're not offended. But see, the unstated option is that (3) you exert the right to retain offense and not have to tell me. By my framing I'm gently pushing you away from that risk. So there is a responsible use of persuasion.)
First off, I have told you before re the utterly defenseless ! christian... Proclivity of
choosing "YOU offended me, or I am offended & YOU are the cause, & YOU better Apologize (by castrating yourself before me, as it were). It's crappy behaviors like that All-high+mighty Arrogance, that makes me AVOID most christians.
So do >I< ever get Offended? YES. When a person INTENDS harming or hurting me, or someone else (as do the 3-letter agencies, Or even just 1 person), I Choose to be offended. AND yes, such Abusive behaviors DO merit Apologies at the very least.
So what started all that ^^ you ask? - By you typing "offended" thrice in 2 sentences :) I am just explaining myself, Again - as you seem to have forgotten :)
Also re "Manipulative persuasion" = it all depends on who such Benefits...:
does it Improve/Better the helped-persons LIFE... ie both Quantity+Quality
IF "Manipulative persuasion" is used to gently Force someone for YOUR sole benefit, then it is wrong.