I'm telling you space is a violation of natural law, it's the only time ever that gas pressure doesn't require a container?. I guess it's OK to violate natural laws to you? I want to see your cited research papers or some videos proving this. Who did it where when and how was it done. Your side gets all the funding so it should be easy.
Your entire concept of flat earth is based off of a psyop (flat earth society).
I guess the closest map would either be the AE map or Gleason, but that isn't exactly made for flat earth. But if I'm being fair your globe model hasn't came close to an accurate map either.
Anything above where we can reach and beyond the shorelines of Antarctica is speculation. I know the last time someone tried to circumnavigate Antarctica it was captain Cook and it took him 3 years and an estimated 60-80 thousand miles.
That's larger than the equator. Which gets me to my next point, north is center and south is any direction away from center. West amd east navigation is done in circles just like on a globe, nobody has ever done north south circumnavigation though.
The sun is small and local same with the moon. Kinda why they look the same size in the sky. Eratosthenes little sticks and shadows experiment works exactly the same with a smaller local sun.
The only reason you say it doesn't because you heard some religious zealot say it so it must true because clearly you've never done the work yourself.
How big or far nobody knows. And we definitely don't believe planets the sun or the moon are terrafirma you can go. You've clearly never seen unedited photos/videos of planets. They don't look solid at all. They're just wandering stars.
You're the one that brought God up in this conversation so fuck off with that. I'm showing you proof that the devil has had his hands all over your model and he left his signature in your math.
You are all over the place. Space is simply there. The interplanetary medium is a very tenuous gas. The interstellar medium is even more tenuous. Why do you have such an ignorant view of what it is? Gas pressure existed without containers before containers were invented...but there was still gas pressure, on the Earth, on Venus, on Mars, and on Titan (to mention but a few places). I don't need to prove facts long in evidence. Read an encyclopedia.
I don't have a "concept" of a flat earth. I think it is an inherently incoherent idea. I am looking to you for explanation, but you have been very stingy. Now you seem to think the flat earth is like a phonograph record with the north pole at the hole and all the parallels of latitude in concentric circles. This runs into the problem that the real parallels of latitude have smaller diameters south of the equator, but your gramophone model would keep making them larger and larger. Distances don't work out at all. Airliners fly Great Circle routes between (e.g.) Buenos Aires and Cape Town. According to your gramophone Earth, they would have to fly in some other way different from a Great Circle and fly a greater distance. Airplanes are rather sensitive to matters of distance, and would run out of fuel if they were flying farther than they think they are. Not happening.
I don't think you can do the math to show that the Eratosthenes measurement works in your scheme, so don't make assertions you cannot prove. But no astronomical events would be properly represented. It is laughable anyway, because we now know the Sun to be 93 million miles distant by optical measurement. Does the Earth spin like a flipped coin? If it doesn't, then we would not be able to observe the entire sphere of the heavens (constellations) that we know can be observed.
No videos of Mars or photos of Venus? You just aren't looking, are you. We even have photos from probes that land on asteroids. Your education needs enhancement. Here are plenty of stock photos of Antarctica from space. Enjoy. https://www.alamy.com/stock-photo/antarctica-from-space.html
You're hopelessly brainwashed. You're really good at memorizing and regurgitating Rockefeller funded textbook nonsense. The math works out the same If the sun is 300 times closer and 300 times smaller. Seasons and the star patterns make 100% sense on the flat earth. Your ball is where we have trouble making things work.
I'm sorry but I don't accept cgi as acceptable proof. Why can't nasa just give us an actual photograph. You cannot find me a single unedited photograph from space. I promise you that. Actually the one they say is real is from the 1969 moon mission, which was terribly faked, so that means there isn't a single one thats real.
Have you seen the press conference when they returned? They couldn't keep their stories straight and they looked as depressed as someone who just had their dog killed in front of them. They were being forced to lie. They probably honestly thought they were going to space but come to find out it was a joke. It's why they all have Hollywood stars, they're actors, not real spaceman. All the people from the Challenger mission are still alive. They have been managed to be found working at universities using the same name. But the "official" story is they all have twins, but none of the twins showed up to their brothers or sisters funeral kinda fuckung weird isn't it. Nasa gets 63 million dollars a day to find ways to fool you.
Nasa even admits they have a graphic artist who gets strips of Data and then they have to create the images based on data. It's all photoshopped and cgi.
Actually, the math doesn't work out the same at all. The distance between Syrene and Alexandria was about 900 km. The angle of shadow was about 7 degrees. This works out to a right triangle altitude of 7,329 km (the Earth radius is about 6,378 km). We know from stereoscopic trigonometry that the Sun is actually about 150 million km distant. The seasons and the star patterns are impossible on a flat Earth (you are welcome to try and explain). Even the daily progression of the Sun is impossible, because daytime (or nighttime) would be simultaneous all over the Earth...yet we know that we have portions in daylight and portions in darkness at any given time. Your picture would have the sun rise in the "south" (Antarctica) travel north to go over the north pole and then set again in the "south". This doesn't happen. The stars are located according to a spherical coordinate system with no distortion. They exist in all directions. According to your view, we can only see into the upward hemisphere. This limitation doesn't happen. How is it we can see all the stars? You can't make any astronomical motions make sense; just try to. Does the Sun go around and under the Earth like the Egyptians believed? What is the diameter of the gramophone Earth? What is the orbit of the sun? (Remember, we already know from direct optical measurement that the sun is 150 million km distant. How do you get around that one?)
The photos of Antarctica are photos. You have no means of disproof. NASA has given innumerable photographs---which you are happy to spurn as being "cgi" (even before computer-generated imagery was possible). So you are posing a challenge in bad faith, just as you reject these legitimate photos. You have no integrity, yourself. Nothing faked about the 1969 Moon mission. Just a lot of stupid misunderstanding of what is possible with photography (no stars? camera can't see if the lens stop were opened wide enough to see the stars---it would have been blinded by the sunlight). Here's a 1966 moon-Earth photo from Lunar Orbiter I: https://www.britannica.com/technology/Lunar-Orbiter Unedited from strip photography accomplished inside the probe. I wish you would get tired of the bullshit challenges. Plenty of evidence. You just want to put your head in the sand.
So, now you rely on how astronauts feel who have gone through tremendous deceleration forces and aerodynamic loads, restored to full Earth gravity after prolonged weightlessness, and you think they are physically wasted because they are "Lying"? You've got to be kidding. You go through that ordeal and see how collected you are at the end of it. Your story about Challenger is a total fabrication, which is disgusting. (They found the bodies in the forward section of the Shuttle resting on the floor of the ocean. I bet you didn't know that, did you?)
Come up with a flat Earth that works, with a Sun that is 150 million km distant and simultaneous day and night. You can't. You won't even try. You wouldn't know how to try. You throw all these challenges out and I meet them all. Because I have worked in the business for 40 years, you ignoramus. You don't have a single particle of evidence. You have nothing but delusion, and you have thrown away the key to reality.
The ignorance in every single one of your comments is astonishing. You know absolutely nothing about flat earth or what they claim but you want to sit here and say it's impossible. How the fuck would you know? Your whole excuse for every fucking thing is gravity. Which has never been proven to even exist.
Have you been to space to confirm every thing you've been told? Nope. How many times does nasa have to be caught lying and faking things before you can admit to at least that? My guess is you'll be a globetard forever because of your cognitive dissonance. I'd give you videos to watch but as you said before they aren't worth your time. You don't even want to know what it is flat earthers actually think. You've proven your ignorance with every single preprogrammed glober response there is.
As for one of the challenger astronauts here ya go. There is a photo of all the ones they've found at different universities using the same names and everything. Finding videos of this is extremely difficult. Everything flat earth is censored like crazy. You get shit and paid shills like professor Dave or scimandan. They're the first ones on YouTube when you search flat earth for a reason.
I can't believe you're on a truth board and you blindly believe the government without any question at all.
I'm telling you space is a violation of natural law, it's the only time ever that gas pressure doesn't require a container?. I guess it's OK to violate natural laws to you? I want to see your cited research papers or some videos proving this. Who did it where when and how was it done. Your side gets all the funding so it should be easy.
Your entire concept of flat earth is based off of a psyop (flat earth society).
I guess the closest map would either be the AE map or Gleason, but that isn't exactly made for flat earth. But if I'm being fair your globe model hasn't came close to an accurate map either.
Anything above where we can reach and beyond the shorelines of Antarctica is speculation. I know the last time someone tried to circumnavigate Antarctica it was captain Cook and it took him 3 years and an estimated 60-80 thousand miles.
That's larger than the equator. Which gets me to my next point, north is center and south is any direction away from center. West amd east navigation is done in circles just like on a globe, nobody has ever done north south circumnavigation though.
The sun is small and local same with the moon. Kinda why they look the same size in the sky. Eratosthenes little sticks and shadows experiment works exactly the same with a smaller local sun. The only reason you say it doesn't because you heard some religious zealot say it so it must true because clearly you've never done the work yourself. How big or far nobody knows. And we definitely don't believe planets the sun or the moon are terrafirma you can go. You've clearly never seen unedited photos/videos of planets. They don't look solid at all. They're just wandering stars.
You're the one that brought God up in this conversation so fuck off with that. I'm showing you proof that the devil has had his hands all over your model and he left his signature in your math.
You are all over the place. Space is simply there. The interplanetary medium is a very tenuous gas. The interstellar medium is even more tenuous. Why do you have such an ignorant view of what it is? Gas pressure existed without containers before containers were invented...but there was still gas pressure, on the Earth, on Venus, on Mars, and on Titan (to mention but a few places). I don't need to prove facts long in evidence. Read an encyclopedia.
I don't have a "concept" of a flat earth. I think it is an inherently incoherent idea. I am looking to you for explanation, but you have been very stingy. Now you seem to think the flat earth is like a phonograph record with the north pole at the hole and all the parallels of latitude in concentric circles. This runs into the problem that the real parallels of latitude have smaller diameters south of the equator, but your gramophone model would keep making them larger and larger. Distances don't work out at all. Airliners fly Great Circle routes between (e.g.) Buenos Aires and Cape Town. According to your gramophone Earth, they would have to fly in some other way different from a Great Circle and fly a greater distance. Airplanes are rather sensitive to matters of distance, and would run out of fuel if they were flying farther than they think they are. Not happening.
I don't think you can do the math to show that the Eratosthenes measurement works in your scheme, so don't make assertions you cannot prove. But no astronomical events would be properly represented. It is laughable anyway, because we now know the Sun to be 93 million miles distant by optical measurement. Does the Earth spin like a flipped coin? If it doesn't, then we would not be able to observe the entire sphere of the heavens (constellations) that we know can be observed.
No videos of Mars or photos of Venus? You just aren't looking, are you. We even have photos from probes that land on asteroids. Your education needs enhancement. Here are plenty of stock photos of Antarctica from space. Enjoy. https://www.alamy.com/stock-photo/antarctica-from-space.html
You're hopelessly brainwashed. You're really good at memorizing and regurgitating Rockefeller funded textbook nonsense. The math works out the same If the sun is 300 times closer and 300 times smaller. Seasons and the star patterns make 100% sense on the flat earth. Your ball is where we have trouble making things work.
I'm sorry but I don't accept cgi as acceptable proof. Why can't nasa just give us an actual photograph. You cannot find me a single unedited photograph from space. I promise you that. Actually the one they say is real is from the 1969 moon mission, which was terribly faked, so that means there isn't a single one thats real.
Have you seen the press conference when they returned? They couldn't keep their stories straight and they looked as depressed as someone who just had their dog killed in front of them. They were being forced to lie. They probably honestly thought they were going to space but come to find out it was a joke. It's why they all have Hollywood stars, they're actors, not real spaceman. All the people from the Challenger mission are still alive. They have been managed to be found working at universities using the same name. But the "official" story is they all have twins, but none of the twins showed up to their brothers or sisters funeral kinda fuckung weird isn't it. Nasa gets 63 million dollars a day to find ways to fool you. Nasa even admits they have a graphic artist who gets strips of Data and then they have to create the images based on data. It's all photoshopped and cgi.
Actually, the math doesn't work out the same at all. The distance between Syrene and Alexandria was about 900 km. The angle of shadow was about 7 degrees. This works out to a right triangle altitude of 7,329 km (the Earth radius is about 6,378 km). We know from stereoscopic trigonometry that the Sun is actually about 150 million km distant. The seasons and the star patterns are impossible on a flat Earth (you are welcome to try and explain). Even the daily progression of the Sun is impossible, because daytime (or nighttime) would be simultaneous all over the Earth...yet we know that we have portions in daylight and portions in darkness at any given time. Your picture would have the sun rise in the "south" (Antarctica) travel north to go over the north pole and then set again in the "south". This doesn't happen. The stars are located according to a spherical coordinate system with no distortion. They exist in all directions. According to your view, we can only see into the upward hemisphere. This limitation doesn't happen. How is it we can see all the stars? You can't make any astronomical motions make sense; just try to. Does the Sun go around and under the Earth like the Egyptians believed? What is the diameter of the gramophone Earth? What is the orbit of the sun? (Remember, we already know from direct optical measurement that the sun is 150 million km distant. How do you get around that one?)
The photos of Antarctica are photos. You have no means of disproof. NASA has given innumerable photographs---which you are happy to spurn as being "cgi" (even before computer-generated imagery was possible). So you are posing a challenge in bad faith, just as you reject these legitimate photos. You have no integrity, yourself. Nothing faked about the 1969 Moon mission. Just a lot of stupid misunderstanding of what is possible with photography (no stars? camera can't see if the lens stop were opened wide enough to see the stars---it would have been blinded by the sunlight). Here's a 1966 moon-Earth photo from Lunar Orbiter I: https://www.britannica.com/technology/Lunar-Orbiter Unedited from strip photography accomplished inside the probe. I wish you would get tired of the bullshit challenges. Plenty of evidence. You just want to put your head in the sand.
So, now you rely on how astronauts feel who have gone through tremendous deceleration forces and aerodynamic loads, restored to full Earth gravity after prolonged weightlessness, and you think they are physically wasted because they are "Lying"? You've got to be kidding. You go through that ordeal and see how collected you are at the end of it. Your story about Challenger is a total fabrication, which is disgusting. (They found the bodies in the forward section of the Shuttle resting on the floor of the ocean. I bet you didn't know that, did you?)
Come up with a flat Earth that works, with a Sun that is 150 million km distant and simultaneous day and night. You can't. You won't even try. You wouldn't know how to try. You throw all these challenges out and I meet them all. Because I have worked in the business for 40 years, you ignoramus. You don't have a single particle of evidence. You have nothing but delusion, and you have thrown away the key to reality.
The ignorance in every single one of your comments is astonishing. You know absolutely nothing about flat earth or what they claim but you want to sit here and say it's impossible. How the fuck would you know? Your whole excuse for every fucking thing is gravity. Which has never been proven to even exist.
Have you been to space to confirm every thing you've been told? Nope. How many times does nasa have to be caught lying and faking things before you can admit to at least that? My guess is you'll be a globetard forever because of your cognitive dissonance. I'd give you videos to watch but as you said before they aren't worth your time. You don't even want to know what it is flat earthers actually think. You've proven your ignorance with every single preprogrammed glober response there is.
As for one of the challenger astronauts here ya go. There is a photo of all the ones they've found at different universities using the same names and everything. Finding videos of this is extremely difficult. Everything flat earth is censored like crazy. You get shit and paid shills like professor Dave or scimandan. They're the first ones on YouTube when you search flat earth for a reason.
I can't believe you're on a truth board and you blindly believe the government without any question at all.