I keep reading how freemasons are evil and do horrible things. Yet I grew up with masons. I'm not evil, nor do I do horrible things. So, being new, and open minded. I would like to have a civilized discussion about the freemasons! And remember. I come from family members whom are passed now, but, were. Masons. I'm open to here. Thank you.
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Yeah, being freemason doesnt mean evil, but it surely means naughty - because freemasons take oaths to put other freemasons ahead of anyone else in business / government etc. This gives unfair advantage to freemasons - for example a freemason going to court will find the judge (who is also a freemason) would be highly biased towards them, and hence better chance of winning the case.
Similarly a business contractor who is freemason, making a bid for the project has higher chance of winning the bid if the person on the other end is also freemason.
So, this is not nice, but at the same time not evil (But definitely slippery slope). These are usually the same people who are really successful in life, and laugh at others for being straight on narrow. Not saying your dad and granddad were the same, but chances are, being freemasons they were taking advantage of the society to some extent.
With the coming Awakening and increase in spiritual awareness, this is perhaps something you can meditate on, and maybe look back at the family fortunes and perhaps think about ways to give it back to the society.
This is how they hook you.. give you a taste of riches then get you to do more.. etc.
Neither were rich. Nor had riches. Maybe I'm missing something, do you mean other than money? Well, neither had that. I really just want to learn. And am being as honest as I can.
Probably too honest to be promoted to evil riches rank.
Interesting statement, what do you mean?
its about POWER
This sounds suspiciously like a troll bot reply...
u/undine53 I'm not a bot lol. Or were you speaking of the previous response?
I know I'm gonna sound like an asshole, but that's reaaaaaaally close to socialism there.
Note close, it was a bullseye. That's the same language the reparations cult uses.
Voluntary charity/helping his community is not socialism.
Someone suggesting to redistribute their wealth is not charity.
Sins of their fathers and all...
I don't believe in that.
There were/ are no family fortunes. That's one reason I don't understand why they say freemasons are so evil. And cabal etc.. neither of my families have money or treasures or anything. That's why I would like to learn and discuss.
Would be really good to find out what level they were both at. If they never made it past 3, it would explain why no family fortune and also the fact they were actually very nice people. At the first 3 levels its more like a fraternity than anything else.
Yea, I have both of their emailed paperwork from the lodges. Different states of course. But neither say what degree they were. Papas from VA. is totally different than great grand pa's from ILLINOIS. Like I said different sides of family.
I would be interested in updates as you dig more stuff
Makes me recall the Rittenhouse trial where he preformed the Master of the Second Veil standing before the judge.
OR, maybe he was just putting something in his jacket pocket.
Not every picture of someone with their hand in their jacket is Masonic.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pompey
Name checks out! How the Mighty have fallen!
You don’t actually think I’m THE Pompey, do you? You do know that dude’s been dead for like 2000 years, right?
Assuming you are aware I’m not him, I fail to see how “name checks out?”
On a side note, using ad hominem attacks instead of refuting my claim does NOT strengthen your argument.
Silly assumption, really. Every person who has a photo taken at the moment they reach inside their jacket, is a Satanist now.... nah.
Who did that?
Rittenhouse did.
https://knowyourmeme.com/photos/2251934-trial-of-kyle-rittenhouse
I wondered if you meant him, but he's so young, I didn't think anybody that age would or could even be allowed in. Thanks.
What is that?
Some thing that they are said to do to show off who they are or something
I don’t know that I would call supporting other member naughty... In court proceedings, yes, but you’d be hard pressed in business where a competitive edge would be given if potential connections went to the same college.
As a privately held company you are free to do business with whomever you want. If you are a public company then there will be more regulations and corporate responsibilities you might be breaking. You might break anti-trust laws. If you are in a bank and favour certain people while making loans etc, you might be breaking a whole bunch of regulations.
Naughty is probably an understatement in these cases.
Because that happens in business, freemasons or not.
This can be said about any religion/congregation anywhere. Take care of their fold before helping others
No, it does not. For example if a Christian Judge shows a consistent bias to a Christian plaintiff/defendant in his courtroom, then he will face disciplinary action for that. Same with any religion/congregation in an setting of authority.
Yes, take care of your fold first ony our personal time, not in your professional capacity. That is the crucial difference. This is also the reason why these orgs need to be secret societies.
Sure--like anything we ever did growing up, was thru fellow members--dentist, doctor, eye doctor, lawn care, construction, appliances Every thing was thru fellow parishioners, and you got hard side-eyes for using anybody outside of the religion. You don't notice it until you are out and awake
Very interesting to hear this. I think we need more people experienced in freemasonry at different levels to come out and talk frankly like this for people to fully understand how it worked. Thanks for sharing.
Let's look back at yours. Any slave ownership or or native slaughter you should atone for?
May I ask what about this comment is upsetting you, fren ? This comment was specifically for the person who talked about free masonry in his family past.
As for my family, the up in for poor rural Asia so highly unlikely there were any slaves unless they were my ancestors, but sure I will ask grandpa of he kept slaves while toiling dawn to dusk for the local Zamindar - land owner
You've assumed the anon's forefathers did something he must now retroactively make society whole over. And if they did heinous acts, they were their acts not the anon's.
/conclusion: you're a moron
Personal attacks are always an indication something touched a nerve. Let me guess, you come from a very privileged family? Nothing wrong in that, lots of people made their fortunes working hard, saving and passing it on to next generation. No need to get triggered if thats the case.
However, if you think your parents/grandparents were committing crimes against humanity for the fortunes they made, then I would say the same thing applies to you. Please meditate on that.