If you are still arguing with normie friends and family about the vaccine, my advice is to stop. Reason being, even if the vaccine was safe and effective that does not excuse forcing it into people's bodies and that is what is at stake here. This has to do with the fundamental right of choice and nothing more. The core value of which this country was founded on is essentially being raped and what's worse is too many people have been okay with it... until now. I am noticing more and more vaxxed types waking up to the reality of fourth, fifth and sixth vax and are not happy. THIS is the flame we need to stoke. We are not anti-vax. We are pro vax choice. We know tried and true vaccines like Polio are proven, but even then we STILL don't agree with any sort of mandate.
This madness is almost over. I hope it doesn't take through 2022, but that is what it is... God Willing it will be sooner.
EDIT: This data suggests that all the vaccines are now compromised. I do think based off this article, the 2019 vax was altered to test the host capabilities we are now seeing in the Omicron variant:
The CDC Admits 98 Million Americans Were Given Cancer Virus Via The Polio Shot.
I don't know about the heavy metal poisoning. If you have some sources, I'd be much obliged to read them. Also, it took Virologists some 30 years of research to realize the polio virus was a fecal pathogen. Pretty much all pathogens are past through fecal contamination.
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That's discussed in this video... https://www.brighteon.com/3f33c9a4-ef19-4f46-a82e-0c15910ee4ce
Source.
EDIT: Downvoting does not magically make information true.
Do some serious homework here.
Look into Jonas Salk "Father of Inocculations" and you will find he was a technocrat, eugenicist, athiest, NWO Globalist, FRAUD.
Must of what I have found is the usual fluff. Do you have any specific sources our recommendations?
My counterpoint is simply that he did give the patent away and there are tremendously fewer, like by comparison to the COIVD vax almost no adverse effects since it was released. I am open to explanations and alternate perspectives.
Polio vaccines cause polio. Fact.
Source.
https://childrenshealthdefense.org/news/childrens-health/polio-vaccination-still-causing-polio-after-all-these-years/
Thank you for the source. That is not exactly what you think it is... why would a vaccine that is tried and true suddenly stop working? And in 2019?
What do the current "COVID" vaccines do? Who is carrying the Omicron variant?
I’ve been studying vaccines since I became pregnant in 1990. My two children who are 28 and soon to be 31 years old are NOT vaccinated because of the extensive research that I’ve done.
The 30 years that have passed since I started this journey have only proven to me that vaccines are absolute poison to humanity. We have an explosion of autoimmunity, SIDS, autism, Guillain Barre, etc etc etc.
You will never convince me otherwise.
Vaccines had to be safe and effective in order for the population to accept them. While good intentioned, that ended up being part of the conditioning. If vaccines were as bad as you claim since day one, we would have had lots more deaths. The data does not agree with this conclusion.
The reality is much more sinister. Thanks to this discussion, I realized vaccines were good initially. Now, maybe you caught on right as they were starting to change them for the worst. The article you posted suggests that in 2019 they changed the vaccine to transmit the virus... I do believe the article you've posted alludes to a pre-COVID vax trial run to see if they could make the vaccine into a super spreader.
Enter Omicron variant. It's first been discovered in vax-tards and initial data suggests the vaxxed are the ones that are going to suffer for it. Basically the COVID vax is spreader now...
I can agree that childhood vaccines don’t maim and kill everyone, but they cause PLENTY of damage, some of which won’t be known for years. I personally know a family who lost their perfect healthy baby boy to SIDS shortly after he was vaxxed. I also know a family with an elementary school-aged child that had grand mal seizures immediately upon being vaccinated. That girl suffers from permanent learning disabilities from the brain damage. There’s a reason why vaccine manufacturers are shielded from liability today...it’s because they do cause harm.
As far as their effectiveness goes I disagree on that point. I’m not going to waste space and time arguing that here, you can do your own research.
However, I’m not discounting your theory. My own personal theory was that the flu shots are/were used as practice to get people comfortable with taking injections seasonally.
I think people’s immune systems are slowly being destroyed.
People really, really need to think about what liberty truly means :
Liberty is the fundamental basis of the United States. Do. Not. Yield.
Exactly correct. This is our number one core value in this country: the freedom to choose.
And this is the correct response to liberals/communists who say “but you don’t have the freedom to endanger other people’s lives”
Liberty is the general freedom that includes whatever specific ‘freedom’ they say you don’t have
I read somewhere that thepolio and the smallpov vaxxines were both real killers. Need some research but they say those vaxxes did more damage than good.
Yeah research is key with every claim like this. If it can be proven then it is what it is. Even more so it bolsters my stance.
But I do not believe things are so black and white. Q even said "not all vaccines"
The new vaccine awakening will be interesting as future parents enroll children in school where vaccines have historically been a requirement, religious exemptions have only recently been the forefront as the cultural diversity has changed. Assuming parents don't start homeschooling more to get their children out of the indoctrination centers disguised as public education...
No point in not vaxing your kid if you can't be bothered to educate them.
No point in sending them to government schools if you want them to have an education
Wish I could updoot this a million times.
Mosts states have always had exemptions and that is what parents labeled "antivax" have been fighting to maintain for a long time. Schools won't tell you about them. It's up to the parents to put an exemption on file. If your kid doesn't have an exemption and they haven't been fully vaxxed then yes they will be refused entry into public school. I used to be against homeschooling as a way to avoid vaccines I really wanted everyone to fight to keep exemptions in place. But now even if they took.vaccine requirements away from schools I'd say homeschool! The indoctrination is destroying us
The term antivax was used to discredit us as of we wanted to ban all vaccines. Sure some choose not to give any but no one wants to take the right away.
We have fought to expose the junk science behind them and how they have gone from 6 vaccines in 1982 on the schedule to over 70 now after pharma was given immunity from injury lawsuits in 1986. We always knew the label was given to discredit us. And now we see it happening with people who are only against Covid vax mandate.
For decades parents have shared stories about their vaccine injured children. But few people believed them because the world was told that "the science was settled" on vaccines.
Might want to rethink pro-vax
No. Going anti-vax plays into the MSM narrative and isn't entirely true. No one ignored the effects, the data simply didn't warrant any fear.
The past vaccines were good... but with this new information I am now starting to suspect they have been altered... as I suspected they would.
https://childrenshealthdefense.org/news/childrens-health/polio-vaccination-still-causing-polio-after-all-these-years/
Maybe others can but I became antivax after my son was injured in 2001. It's impossible for me to back down from my stance. Sorry for those who don't want to be associated with us because we make you look bad. But we took this stand first.
So you believe in depriving others of the right to choose for themselves? Anti-vax suggests you want all vaccines gone.
Antivax mandate! When did I ever say antivax means getting rid of all?? Our fight has always been not to require them. Let parents decide what they want to give their children and themselves and transparency in science. You think the FDA suddenly wanting 55 years to produce data from the Covid vax is the first time they've ever blocked data?!?
See you don't even know what you are arguing about here! We didn't chose the name "antivaxxers" it was given to us just like it is given to people objecting to covid vax being mandated.
Which is why we need to rebrand to "Pro vax choice". It's an easy correction:
"Oh you're one of them there anti-vaxxers!?!"
"Pro vax choice, actually"
At that point the discussion either continues and improves leaving an impact on someone or they double down on their stupid and you walk away.
But we never branded ourselves as antivaxxers. Pharma and the media did. The same way they are diluting the message today even from people who were Covid vaxxed but are now against the booster....by calling them antivaxxers. Don't you see their purpose it to make people think anyone who speaks out against a vaccine wants to ban them.
Nobody here is anti-vax; they’re just pro-informed-consent.
Or as I like to say, pro vax choice.
Oh and the website your sharing articles from "Children's Health Defense" is run by Robert Kennedy Jr who has always fought for parents of vaccine injured children since his article in "Deadly Immunity" published in Rolling Stone Magazine in 2006. So if you trust his work then you must realize this is NOT a new thing.
Adverse reactions have been apart of the process as with any new form of treatment. I can accept that at some point in modern history, they began altering them to suit more sinister needs. But to assume they were always bad is foolishness. The genetic pool is so diverse and spread out now that people react to various things differently.
Saying the vaccines were always bad is the same logical conclusion as saying all the Nazis took shifts as Aushwitz. That's simply not true. Most of the Nazis- hell most of the Germans didn't know about the crimes against humanity.
Yes the worsened over time especially after pharma was given immunity from lawsuits in 1986. The ingredients we sourced outside the us. The formulations we're changed to be more profitable and allow for new patents when others expired. Big problems started in children when doctors went from single dose vials to more economical multi-dose vials with preservatives in the bottle. Allowing for more han error in injection process...i.e...If the bottle isn't shaken properly before each withdrawal the nuerotoxic preservative is inhigher concentrations in the bottom of the vial doses. Meaning those kids get higher toxins and less protection from the disease.
You are arguing all of the science we have for decades but you want to claim we don't know what we are talking about and are just a bunch of angry mom's on the internet. Have you looked at Kennedy's research? How about Del Bigtree?
I have researched. The conclusions that vaccines were always bad is illogical. Back to my Nazi analogy. History teaches us that the Nazis were all Jew hating Jew killers and the evilest of all evils. People then ask "how could such evilest of evils happen?" Well... it started with good things. Good intentions. Over time it devolved into what we know as Nazi Germany. But here's the real kick in the balls: most people didn't know about all the bad things, like most vaccine manufacturers don't know what is actually going on with vaccines, especially now. But we didn't get to this point rolling out a total kill shot. We got here because the first few vaccines were actually good and effective. Over time they started poisoning the supply. Just like they also put fluoride in the water supply and dumbed us down over time with their media... or at least that's what they have convinced us happened. I'm not so convinced we're as horrible as the Cabal wants us to believe. They introduced something good and over time perverted and distorted it to something bad and now something evil.
Point being, less affirmations and more open dialogue will go a long way. Rebranding to pro vax choice is also good as it comes off as though you aren't against vaccines in general, but can successfully articulate your stance with someone who wouldn't otherwise listen. I am not countering your points to make you look bad or prove you wrong. I come off as combative to keep the discussion alive and get ALL ideas out in the open for discussion. I do not and will not pretend to be right on this. If vaccines were bad from day one, then it is what it is. I'm not so convinced, because humans are not as dumb as we have been told.
Again. We are arguing the same points. Read the information out there from the leaders of the so called "antivax" movement and learn about how vaccine safety slippery slope started after 1986 when immunity was given.
Again we didn't chose the word antivax. It was chosen for us to discredit us and it worked just like it's working now.
No safety studies on childhood vaccines for 30 years. https://www.prnewswire.com/news-releases/ican-vs-hhs-key-legal-win-recasts-vaccine-debate-300712629.html
People really, really need to think about using Pro-Choice as their slogan.
The media labels antivaxxers not the people. It's been that way for years.
If you’re PRO-vaxx then you are PRO-Abortion. My body, my choice no longer applies to you. Sorry, can’t have it both ways.
The is pro vax choice and pro vax mandate. Anti-vax is the same media conspiracy as Qanon.
That's super insulting to parents of injured children
If you are an American, you are pro choice. On everything. Even abortion. As the baby should have the right to decide what it does with its own body.
Finally parents like me of vaccine injured children from 20+ years ago are seeing people wake up to the corrupted science behind vaccines that they've been shouting from the rooftops about ...and you don't want to be associated with us, because you think it makes you look kooky. Fuck you.
I don't want to be associated with you because your stance is wrong. Who are you to decide what other people put in their bodies?
Vaccines were intended as a good thing. When they started being altered for bad, who knows. Today we can clearly agree that they are bad.
The adverse reaction data does NOT support your emotionally charged anecdotal evidence. Sorry you kid got hurt. Sorry other kids got killed in car crashes and drive-bys or were born retarded. Life is hard and sucks for everyone in any way shape or form. If you wanna take a stand for Liberty, I will stand with you, but you're gonna have to fuck yourself first.
This sounds like something a Covid vax worshipper would say to someone who's loved one died of a stroke after the vax.
Well that isn't the case at all. Someone made a post showing the adverse reaction data using it to expose the 2.5 million adverse reactions to the COVID vax whereas all previous vaccines with 20-50 years of adverse reaction reports maybe broke 50,000...
We can't just cherry pick the data we like when it is convenient. This kills any and all rational and true thinking and discussion. It is intellectually dishonest. I do not care how many downvotes I get or people I piss off. I will NEVER compromise the truth out of convenience and this community needs to stop doing it too.
Because it was hard to find a doctor who even knew about the VAERS database or how to report adverse reactions andany were scrubbed (as they are today). The covid vaccine drew attention to the existence of it. Search for the study by Harvard that showed how little it was being used.
When did parents like me ever fight to get rid of vaccines??? It's always been about getting rid of the mandates for schools and to continue to be allowed in pediatricians offices. Find me anyone saying they need to be banned. Sorry you fell for what the media told you about us. It's pretty much the same thing they are saying about people today who are just wanting to stop mandates.
Honestly I don't even know why I took the time to reply to you.
Because you're insecure. Also, your original statements alluded to banning of vaccines. I am in 100% agreement with you in ending all mandates. If you had responded more diplomatically, logically and less emotionally, we would have come to this agreement much sooner and with less vitriol. The other reason people don't listen to you is because you're an asshole.
Actually people.have listened to me. I talk nice when not accused about fabricating what happened to my child like the media has done to us for decades. Just ask Robert Kennedy when I met him in 2006 or Del Bigtree when I met him in 2016. Or Dr Russell Blaylock when he came to my town for and event I held and had dinner with me in 2008. Or Jenny McCarthy when she met my son at the "Green our vaccine" rally in DC. Are any of these people pushing to ban vaccines? I have been fighting for what you are fighting for long before you even thought about it.
*GlowingCamaro
The whole point of the fake vaccine was never disease prevention.
It is only to prove that your freedom of choice regarding your body is no longer yours.
Government now has control over your face and body (and your mind, if you let them, by believing the CDC, WHO, NIH, FBI, CIA, MSM, or FJB).
This is why we say...
FREEFACES - FREEBLOODS - FREETHINKERS
UNITE
They shouldda rolled out placebos... or maybe that was the plan under Killary...
Attempted mandate ended debate. . .compliance now the issue. Resist!
Long before Covid vax the people labeled "antivaxxers" have fought to preserve vaccine exemptions. We fought for CHOICE. The name of the website is called I CAN DECIDE.
https://www.icandecide.org/white-papers-childhood-vaccines/