I was reading your post (and I did read all of it) with an open mind until you said "according to their individual morals and values." I still have an open mind, but I am confused by your logic. If the matter of abortion always comes down to individual morals and values, then some people would be justified (under that relativistic paradigm) to go with the new 4th trimester bullshit, let alone 2nd and 3rd trimesters.
To me, the problem is a lack of humility among human beings. Belief in God, or not, if we are not humble enough in the presence of creations earliest moment, then all else is a slippery slope, and we are no better than a male carnivore that eats its own young.
I'm on the road and I can't elaborate as much as I want but your posts are really good.
Most anti abortion folks are pretty hypocritical because they'll happily support couples doing IVF...where anywhere from one to a two dozen embryos get killed just to have one "miracle" pregnancy instead of just adopting
Not sure I agree with you that those are the only two opinions allowed to be debated. Even the most rabid Democrats I know wouldn't argue that you can kill a baby after it's born. It's always a number of weeks after conception. Maybe those people do exist, but I certainly haven't met any of them.
The problem arises far before the woman is pregnant, though nobody wants to talk about it.
Allowing abortion in any form takes the responsibility off of the person. I would not say that women think "no big deal worst comes to worst I'll have an abortion". I don't think the majority of women are as flip as that.
But I DO believe that if abortion were fully illegal, they may give sex that one quick second thought. And that could save millions of lives of both unborn babies and the women who are scarred forever.
We need a communal effort to take in these women, help them through, and the only decision should be adoption or she decides to keep the child.
I don't think the ability to have an abortion or not even matters to a rapist to be honest.
But we're getting far into the weeds here anyway. Illegals and enemy forces... Yeah I get it but those are also issues that need to be taken care of independently. I don't think you can wait until everything is perfect to start change.
Even if you just allow for women who are impregnated due to rape to have abortions... I mean that just opens up all kinds of bullshit.
I absolutely agree. You can also find lefties who once you admit that abortion is their individual choice, they will be open to discussing the horrors of buying fetuses. That's the red pill that most of them don't know about, and it opens them to the rational side of the conservative argument.
I've also met left winged girls (varying in age) who regret getting an abortion, and they tell me how they cry at night over the choice they made years later. Some of these girls are in their 60s, and it still effects them.
I don't think a lot of people understand how it eats at these girls for the rest of their lives.
It dawned on me that some might be defending their past regrets when these abortion issues come up. These politicians are sick.
It's crazy how one can say they are 100% against abortions and also say they are for individual liberties at the same time. Our contradictions are just as bad as the lefties when we fall for it. Keep in mind this contradiction is being utilized by the Cabal to divide each other.
For those who don't believe me, reread Tendie's post:
and lots of times when we're not feeling >pressure coming from 100%anti-abortion >MAGAtarians... we will discuss our views with >eachother, and there's quite a healthy slice of >MAGA that isn't 100% on it.
It's already happening under our nose. So what are we going to do about it? Shutting it out of the conversation obviously isn't healthy, nor is it working.
I've found that abortion is one of the polarizing issues that stop some women from voting conservative altogether.
A little empathy goes a very long way in delivering this red pill, and if we can be more open to other people's scenarios, I think we can get our message across. It's time to wake up out of the mainstream conservative trance and look what's going on in our own backyard.
So if a woman chooses to not murder her baby you have a right to not be a dad.
Did you do your part and wear a condom or make sure she had birth control? Spermicides for example, it doesn't always have to be the pill.
Or better yet don't fuck around if you don't want to risk having a baby.
Men can also be responsible and use condoms, or oh idk not have sex outside of a longterm relationship?
<How about forced neutering?> Maybe they could force vasectomies.
I was a single mom only had one and raised her on my own, I was on the pill but I had just started it, didn't realize it took a month to be effective. I tried to make him wear condoms... famous last words I'll pull out, or just this once baby, or but it doesn't feel as good. I could go on.
I've never been married and I've had three long term relationships, but the story is always the same. Thankfully I only was pregnant once, but I used birth control.
They could use the money they're using to fund planned parenthood on reproductive education for women and affordable birth control methods with assistance paying for it for women in need.
Making affordable birth control widely available and easy to access is the quickest, most effective way to reduce the number of abortions that occur. There's been studies on this. Helping women have family planning solutions and the ability to manage their own birth control regardless of ability to pay will continually keep unplanned pregnancies from happening in the first place, and therefore cutting down hugely on the number of abortions. But there are many Christians around here and elsewhere on the right that get so puritanical about anything to do with sex that they think people just shouldn't ever have sex, as if that'sa realistic solution. News Flash, people are going to have sex regardless, it's been happening forever, and will continue to happen. So getting birth control and education about the birth control and how to properly use it for both men and women is essential in keeping children from being aborted.
The problem is as you stated but it's two fold. Men shouldn't be throwing away their procreation materials on trash women for the fun of sex by being trashy themselves. Women who want to fool around should use prevention as you said but so should the man and I'm sorry if it doesn't feel good to wear a condom or makes a man go green to get a vasectomy but if they are gonna be gross with gross women they are gonna get repercussions. The responsibility should be on both parties not to start a life and kill it.
I agree on more stringent rules for handouts to discourage this type of thing and we need more carrots for people starting real families.
We need to make societal shame for willy nilly premarital sex great again,
monogamy and marriage great again too. Staying married great again.
First we may need to defund them: It's going to be hard without a real PP evil reveal - and a huge one. to convince both Democrats (the non-hardened ones) and wishy washy Republicans to defund PP. Senator Rand Paul has been fighting this battle in the Senate as long as he has been in office, and has blamed the Republican left (so-called 'moderates') for the continued Taxpayer 'grants for education purposes' for PP.
I was reading your post (and I did read all of it) with an open mind until you said "according to their individual morals and values." I still have an open mind, but I am confused by your logic. If the matter of abortion always comes down to individual morals and values, then some people would be justified (under that relativistic paradigm) to go with the new 4th trimester bullshit, let alone 2nd and 3rd trimesters.
To me, the problem is a lack of humility among human beings. Belief in God, or not, if we are not humble enough in the presence of creations earliest moment, then all else is a slippery slope, and we are no better than a male carnivore that eats its own young.
This is a very good post. Thank you.
I'm on the road and I can't elaborate as much as I want but your posts are really good.
Most anti abortion folks are pretty hypocritical because they'll happily support couples doing IVF...where anywhere from one to a two dozen embryos get killed just to have one "miracle" pregnancy instead of just adopting
Not sure I agree with you that those are the only two opinions allowed to be debated. Even the most rabid Democrats I know wouldn't argue that you can kill a baby after it's born. It's always a number of weeks after conception. Maybe those people do exist, but I certainly haven't met any of them.
Well said anon.
The problem arises far before the woman is pregnant, though nobody wants to talk about it.
Allowing abortion in any form takes the responsibility off of the person. I would not say that women think "no big deal worst comes to worst I'll have an abortion". I don't think the majority of women are as flip as that.
But I DO believe that if abortion were fully illegal, they may give sex that one quick second thought. And that could save millions of lives of both unborn babies and the women who are scarred forever.
We need a communal effort to take in these women, help them through, and the only decision should be adoption or she decides to keep the child.
I don't think the ability to have an abortion or not even matters to a rapist to be honest.
But we're getting far into the weeds here anyway. Illegals and enemy forces... Yeah I get it but those are also issues that need to be taken care of independently. I don't think you can wait until everything is perfect to start change.
Even if you just allow for women who are impregnated due to rape to have abortions... I mean that just opens up all kinds of bullshit.
I absolutely agree. You can also find lefties who once you admit that abortion is their individual choice, they will be open to discussing the horrors of buying fetuses. That's the red pill that most of them don't know about, and it opens them to the rational side of the conservative argument.
I've also met left winged girls (varying in age) who regret getting an abortion, and they tell me how they cry at night over the choice they made years later. Some of these girls are in their 60s, and it still effects them.
I don't think a lot of people understand how it eats at these girls for the rest of their lives.
It dawned on me that some might be defending their past regrets when these abortion issues come up. These politicians are sick.
It's crazy how one can say they are 100% against abortions and also say they are for individual liberties at the same time. Our contradictions are just as bad as the lefties when we fall for it. Keep in mind this contradiction is being utilized by the Cabal to divide each other.
For those who don't believe me, reread Tendie's post:
It's already happening under our nose. So what are we going to do about it? Shutting it out of the conversation obviously isn't healthy, nor is it working.
I've found that abortion is one of the polarizing issues that stop some women from voting conservative altogether.
A little empathy goes a very long way in delivering this red pill, and if we can be more open to other people's scenarios, I think we can get our message across. It's time to wake up out of the mainstream conservative trance and look what's going on in our own backyard.
Another outstanding post. Thank you.
In my other comment, I said:
I wasn't lying, and the responses to your first comment are a perfect example of how this works.
So if a woman chooses to not murder her baby you have a right to not be a dad. Did you do your part and wear a condom or make sure she had birth control? Spermicides for example, it doesn't always have to be the pill.
Or better yet don't fuck around if you don't want to risk having a baby.
I'm very pro life by the way.
You are so right and a great way to put it.
Men can also be responsible and use condoms, or oh idk not have sex outside of a longterm relationship?
<How about forced neutering?> Maybe they could force vasectomies.
I was a single mom only had one and raised her on my own, I was on the pill but I had just started it, didn't realize it took a month to be effective. I tried to make him wear condoms... famous last words I'll pull out, or just this once baby, or but it doesn't feel as good. I could go on.
I've never been married and I've had three long term relationships, but the story is always the same. Thankfully I only was pregnant once, but I used birth control. They could use the money they're using to fund planned parenthood on reproductive education for women and affordable birth control methods with assistance paying for it for women in need.
Making affordable birth control widely available and easy to access is the quickest, most effective way to reduce the number of abortions that occur. There's been studies on this. Helping women have family planning solutions and the ability to manage their own birth control regardless of ability to pay will continually keep unplanned pregnancies from happening in the first place, and therefore cutting down hugely on the number of abortions. But there are many Christians around here and elsewhere on the right that get so puritanical about anything to do with sex that they think people just shouldn't ever have sex, as if that'sa realistic solution. News Flash, people are going to have sex regardless, it's been happening forever, and will continue to happen. So getting birth control and education about the birth control and how to properly use it for both men and women is essential in keeping children from being aborted.
The problem is as you stated but it's two fold. Men shouldn't be throwing away their procreation materials on trash women for the fun of sex by being trashy themselves. Women who want to fool around should use prevention as you said but so should the man and I'm sorry if it doesn't feel good to wear a condom or makes a man go green to get a vasectomy but if they are gonna be gross with gross women they are gonna get repercussions. The responsibility should be on both parties not to start a life and kill it.
I agree on more stringent rules for handouts to discourage this type of thing and we need more carrots for people starting real families.
We need to make societal shame for willy nilly premarital sex great again,
monogamy and marriage great again too. Staying married great again.
Lol anyway you are right
First we may need to defund them: It's going to be hard without a real PP evil reveal - and a huge one. to convince both Democrats (the non-hardened ones) and wishy washy Republicans to defund PP. Senator Rand Paul has been fighting this battle in the Senate as long as he has been in office, and has blamed the Republican left (so-called 'moderates') for the continued Taxpayer 'grants for education purposes' for PP.
https://www.paul.senate.gov/news/republicans-block-sen-rand-paul%E2%80%99s-amendment-defund-planned-parenthood
https://en-volve.com/2018/08/24/senate-votes-against-defunding-planned-parenthood-here-are-the-two-republicans-that-sided-with-the-abortion-mill/