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posted ago by Datasinc ago by Datasinc +234 / -5

Logically either all religions are either false or only ONE is true since they conflict.

If one is true and the world is being run by evil that is lying to us then that true religion would be disproportionally attacked while false ones would be left alone or encouraged.

I can only think of one religion that is attacked above all others.... Christianity.

If it's being attacked / misrepresented by the people trying to enslave / kill me then it must be a threat to them / their plans.

Ergo you should examine Christianity.

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RoosterHeadBad 39 points ago +39 / -0

Satanists hate Jesus. Big time. The are cool with Buddha, Muhammad and Krishna. You are over the target.

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Datasinc [S] 26 points ago +26 / -0

Bingo.

Satan is called the deceiver. If you're already deceived and thereby not a threat, he doesn't need to do much else does he?

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Fatality 21 points ago +21 / -0

here's something else: love and wisdom (ok, that's two). We're going to need it to establish a good base in this awakening, one that's a bedrock solid foundation for the future. And that stuff is the highly effective ingredient at keeping foundation cracks from forming.

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Datasinc [S] 18 points ago +19 / -1

Love and wisdom are both teachings of Christianity. Go read Proverbs. Action-packed with wisdom.

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Fatality 14 points ago +14 / -0

I know anon, I'm a big fan of it.

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TheMoreYouKnowOkay 1 point ago +2 / -1

Proverbs was not created by Christianity.

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KickingPugilist 3 points ago +3 / -0

Yet it is included in it, to give it validity.

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TheMoreYouKnowOkay 1 point ago +2 / -1

Proverbs has validity thanks to King Hezekiah, and his work to promote it.

Various early Christian groups included Proverbs in their canon, in order to give their version of Christianity validity. Those group who did not include it, such as Marcionism, Gnosticism, and others, have since died out.

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My2SonsAreMarines 2 points ago +2 / -0

King Hezekiah? Did you mis-speak and mean King Solomon?

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TheMoreYouKnowOkay 1 point ago +1 / -0

No. King Hezekiah was responsible for its spread. See Proverbs 25:1: "These also are proverbs of Solomon, which the men of Hezekiah king of Judah copied out."

Other extra-biblical sources relate to how King Hezekiah was responsible for editing and popularizing books written by his progenitors, which includes Proverbs.

The last two chapters of Proverbs also have headers indicating that they are not from Solomon, but from other sources. The bulk of the book is of Solomon, but the book as we know it is thanks to Hezekiah and his men.

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Datasinc [S] 1 point ago +1 / -0

Only if you reject what Christianity means and get dishonestly miotic.

Same God, same inspiration, part of the Christian Bible.

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TheMoreYouKnowOkay 0 points ago +1 / -1

King Solomon, the principle author of Proverbs was not a Christian. He did not believe in Jesus, nor the Trinity.

He also mentions a different salvation plan in Kings 8:35-36. Speaking about the Israelites being exiled to different places, he says: "...if they direct their prayers toward this area, and praise Your name, and return from their sins ... and You will forgive Your servants and Your nation Israel...".

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SuckaFree 6 points ago +6 / -0

Christianity is the ONLY "religion" that "preaches" both.

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redtoe-skipper 2 points ago +2 / -0

How about acknowledging the basic premises: Life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness.

It is very simple. Once we understand that a relation with the " higher " whatever you want to call it, is based on a personal experience, and not a function of state or a function that falls to a religious zealot, we might have a chance at building a rift free society.

When it comes to discussions on this topic, a discussions can be had, there indeed is a need to admit that every one will have to bear the responsibility of how this pursuit of happiness is taking form.

The question, whether calling someone who is of a different opinion on the metaphysical stupid, while exhibiting the same or worse quality in logical reasoning, is conforming to the above three mentioned values, and, in this particular instance, rises to the level of despicable fool, remains to be answered by the perpetrator himself.

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EnlightenMe 20 points ago +25 / -5

My parents tried to baptize me as an infant. They were turned away because they weren't members. I left another church because I was told women should not wear pants. I take a brief walk through the woods and call upon God to guide my soul to center. I'm fulfilled. I'm done with another mortal man telling me what my walk with God should be. Each souls walk through this life is their own. Seek it. Skip the middle man and go straight to the source.

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Datasinc [S] 13 points ago +16 / -3

So you had a bad experience with a couple of churches and you're assuming all must be bad?

The "source" is scripture and it commands us to be a part of a body of believers and under Biblical leadership.

Iron sharpens iron.

I love my church and the community we have. We NEVER stopped service during lockdowns and NEVER had a mask mandate. It's full of solid God-loving patriots that are fighting the culture and building something while supporting each other.

That being said it took me a hot minute to find a solid church. I kissed alot of frogs before I found a prince of a church.

They're out there and you won't know what you're missing till you find the right one.

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EnlightenMe 14 points ago +15 / -1

I assume nothing. I'm merely sharing the experience I've had. I've felt closer to God outside any church than inside one. For lack of better words I'm still kissing frogs.

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INK10 11 points ago +12 / -1

I'm with you on that. Haven't been to a church in many years, yet my relationship with God is stronger than ever. I don't think God is judging us on attendance, but on our real beliefs and actions.

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SuckaFree 2 points ago +3 / -1

Correct. I'm in the same.boat as you.

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MajButtes 8 points ago +9 / -1

A church is about an earthly community of hopefully similarly minded spiritual brothers and sisters, and not at all what is necessary to have a relationship with God.

Matthew 6

6 Take heed that ye do not your alms before men, to be seen of them: otherwise ye have no reward of your Father which is in heaven.

2 Therefore when thou doest thine alms, do not sound a trumpet before thee, as the hypocrites do in the synagogues and in the streets, that they may have glory of men. Verily I say unto you, They have their reward.

3 But when thou doest alms, let not thy left hand know what thy right hand doeth:

4 That thine alms may be in secret: and thy Father which seeth in secret himself shall reward thee openly.

5 And when thou prayest, thou shalt not be as the hypocrites are: for they love to pray standing in the synagogues and in the corners of the streets, that they may be seen of men. Verily I say unto you, They have their reward.

6 But thou, when thou prayest, enter into thy closet, and when thou hast shut thy door, pray to thy Father which is in secret; and thy Father which seeth in secret shall reward thee openly.

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KickingPugilist 5 points ago +6 / -1

I feel closer to God on a walk through nature than I do in any church I've ever been in.

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BigDaddy1reboot 3 points ago +3 / -0

A person can look at the marvels of creation and know there is a God who created it all. God reveals himself through nature, that is called general revelation. In the Bible in the book of Romans chapter 1 verse 18-21 were we read " For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men, who suppress the truth in unrighteousness, because what may be known of God is manifest in them, for God has shown it to them. For since the creation of the world His invisible attributes are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even His eternal power and Godhead, so that they are without excuse,".

To know about God or to know God and His attributes one must read the only place He has revealed Himself through special revelation, and that is in the Bible. Believers want to be around other believers. Who are believers? Those who obey His word. In John 3:36 we read, Whoever believes in the Son has eternal life; whoever does not obey the Son shall not see life, but the wrath of God remains on him.

So if you are a believer, you are also an obeyer of the word. Hebrews 9:24-25 says "And let us consider how to stir up one another to love and good works, not neglecting to meet together, as is the habit of some, but encouraging one another, and all the more as you see the Day drawing near."

In short, there is a God and He has revealed Himself in creation/nature, and in His Word-the Bible. He has commanded believers to meet together in church.

So then if you are a believer, find a Bible believing, Bible preaching and teaching church. Stay away from false churches as there are many, i.e. the Prosperity Gospel. Those are the ones who say "Name it and Claim it" etc.

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unemotioNOLE 1 point ago +1 / -0

jesus is the living word and said he would be our teacher. nobody is forsaking you from meeting others of like mind. how long have you been going to church? i would like to question you on you church taught knowledge. i have been alone searching for the truth for twenty years so we can see who has a better understanding of scripture, me a self taught or you a church taught. you may ask me questions too. i would just like a respectful discussion

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BigDaddy1reboot 1 point ago +1 / -0

That would have to be an off-line discussion. This page is Q related. I have belonged to Grace Community Church in Sun Valley CA for 33 years. John MacArthur is the Pastor. You can access all of his sermons on 'Grace To You', GTY.ORG

Solid teaching Christian Churches are out there. You might need to do some research though. Blessing to you.

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unemotioNOLE 1 point ago +1 / -0

why would it have to be offline? you are already talking about it here so why move the discussion to where others cant see it? so the answer was no you just didnt want to say that. i will ask one question, who was thy neighbor according to jesus

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ThePowerOfPrayer 3 points ago +3 / -0

Is your church 501(c)3?

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5DWeBe 2 points ago +2 / -0

This is the question!!

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TakeItBack 1 point ago +1 / -0

Mine is NOT! Closed for 2 weeks in 2020 to assess. Reopened and never closed again except for snow, ice and everyone ill. No mask mandate and my pastor is very well informed--including the laws of our land. He understands the 501(c)3 issue very well.

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redtoe-skipper 1 point ago +2 / -1

Your OP is exactly of the same logic.

However, bad experiences can open the mind to what is really going on. Your argument is, never mind bad experiences, how many even may follow, just stick with the program and never doubt the program.

Sorry dude, this dog don' t hunt.

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metapriest 0 points ago +2 / -2

Scripture does not equal God. Worshipping the Bible is idolatry no less than the paganism you feel so superior to.

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Datasinc [S] 1 point ago +1 / -0

lol wut?

Scripture is "God breathed" and inspired by God. No one is talking about worshiping scripture. Nice straw-man fallacy.

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SuckaFree 5 points ago +5 / -0

Correct.

BUT, you should still read the Bible. Nowhere in it does it say you should follow any one denomination. However, it does say to follow Christ and to emulate his life to the best of your abilities.

Anyone who says otherwise, or says you should "belong" to any one denomination, or that you ant have a personal relationship with God and must go thru an intermediary like a priest, pastor, bishop, etc is lying to you. They have been decieived by Lucifer and Satan.

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DontTreadOnIT 2 points ago +2 / -0

My understanding is, through his sacrifice Jesus Christ gave all humanity the gift of a direct connection with God. So you are correct - there are no gatekeepers for the past 2022 years.

The Church is very important, though. So sad what most modern congregations have become. Those fortunate enough to find a good one, are truly blessed.

If things continue the way they are, maybe home churches are the answer. "Wherever two or more," right?

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welldamn 4 points ago +4 / -0

Decided a long time ago that I didn't need or want anyone in a place of judgement over me. When I talk to spirit of the most high, it's pure communication. Love and gratitude is sent AND received. We talk often and it is always heartfelt.

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johnkongsang 3 points ago +3 / -0

I second that, go straight to the source.

Maybe Christianity isn’t “under attack”. Maybe the evil that rules the world simply runs so opposite of what Christians stand for, that by being Christian, it feels like they’re under attack. Pro-evil is not necessary intentionally anti-Christian, that’s just how it feels when you’re on the side being affected by the evil, especially when the evil is being publicly promoted. Aka, “the world doesn’t revolve around you”…aka victim mentality.

As far as skipping the middleman…My outlook is that I don’t put faith in what men tell me, I put faith in what my own personal life experiences show me.

“God” has undeniably proven existence in my life, I give absolute praise and gratitude to “him”. (These terms “God” and “him” are small words, but I’ll use them for simplicity)

I figure, I don’t have personal proof of Christ, but I have undeniable proof of God in my life. God is not going to be offended that I’m giving my love directly to him instead of “his son” based on my divine gift of reason. That seems retarded to think that the Almighty would be so petty and childish to cast us down because we prayed to him instead of his son. Or that we prayed directly to him from home instead of some building designated by men as a church.

We each have our own path. Treat others how you want to be treated, with love and kindness. Give gratitude and love to God once you find him and he will continue to prove himself and shine upon you.

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Shalimar 3 points ago +3 / -0

I was baptized into the Catholic religion almost 57 years ago - during college and world religion classes - eyes opened. God is everywhere and there is not a "Religious affiliation" requirement to spirituality. I have been to almost every christian church yet looking at the beauty and diversity of God's natural world is more awe inspiring than any man made ceremony I have ever experienced. My belief and faith in God is strong as it is.

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50StateLandslide 11 points ago +11 / -0

One part of why I think Christianity is the truth. Another is how many people choose to be Satanists. Why not antitheism in general? Because they know or have a feeling that God and Christ himself are real, and they're lashing out

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KickingPugilist 2 points ago +2 / -0

Or they're edge lords going against the grain as we are a majority Christian country.

Not at the top level, but I'm talking about church of Satan types.

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metapriest 1 point ago +1 / -0

Maybe they are identifying with a religion that Christianity violently oppressed for hundreds of years. The Greek god Pan had horns not unlike those of the devil.

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M67frag 11 points ago +12 / -1

I think they hate christianity because it works. It creates healthy, well rounded citizens who will not abide evil. This is a massive thorn in their side, and an age old battle. As to any supernatural element, I have no way of knowing, though I absolutely believe God exists.

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ThePowerOfPrayer 8 points ago +8 / -0

I've seen Christians killed for speaking out against the NWO.

William Cooper predicted 9/11 and was dead before the end of the year.

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Starseed 2 points ago +2 / -0

Humans sin. No human is free of sin therefore when you see christians abiding evil that doesnt disprove the good of christianity.

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Starseed 1 point ago +1 / -0

Its not a loophole, its reality.

i said they have done little to stop the evil they complain about.

How do you suggest they do this? The evil that the bible describes is the work of satan. How do you fight against a fallen angel that may or may not have a physical body? Christians have been trying to stop evil every single day. We could physically wipe them all out in a crusade but that would destroy society and leave us with an untrusting populace terrified of admitting sin.

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Starseed 1 point ago +1 / -0

Serious question. How would physically wiping out evil (the evil that’s actually destroying our society) destroy society?

Because that evil has embedded itself like a cancer in our society. That level of surgery would surely lead to injury. If we wiped all them out what would happen to the brainwashed masses? A lot of them would feel like theyre now living in a hellish world where the people they believe in and support are hunted down. That would induce mass panic.

Are you waiting for God to fix this for us?

In a way, yes. God is inside all of us, he connects all of us. If you change yourself youll change the world.

Or do you suppose he’d like to see us fighting for what we believe in here on earth?

I think he would like to see effort on our part. Simply praying for him to fix it wont do anything except God giving you the strength to do it.

Terrified of admitting sin?

It wouldnt matter what the sin is. Going back to my first point, if those brainwashed people see their role models taken out because of "wrongdoing" then they naturally will keep to themselves anything bad theyve done. It would lead to tons of people holding in their problems instead of seeking help. And even then who draws the line between what is evil and what is wrong?

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M67frag -1 points ago +2 / -3

Ok fuck face, since you cant see what's right in front of your face I'll lay it out for you.

Would you rather your kid try to become a gangster rapper or a bible scholar? Which Avenue in life do you think will lead to a more healthy person on average.

See? Was that so fucking hard?

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M67frag 1 point ago +1 / -0

Lol I'm not even religious, I can just see through the obvious bullshit. And im sick and tired of the snarky know it all atheist propaganda shitting on Christian's. .Good try though.

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M67frag 1 point ago +1 / -0

My writing comes off far more insulting than I mean to be, I swear a lot in a jovial manner. I need to work on that. If we where talking in person you wouldnt have been offended, because I would have said it with a smile and a joke. Sorry for the confusion.

Anyway my whole point is just that I am angry because I went along with the cultural subversion about religion being poison all the while mainstream culture promotes extreme degeneracy, and I have recently come to understand how much invaluable wisdom is hidden in the pages of those old books. So I get upset when I see for example christianity being attacked, and I think "if it wasnt for crap like this I might have found this wisdom much earlier, and lived a much better life"

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ImWaterjug 10 points ago +10 / -0

I’m for freedom of religion. Choose what you believe, it’s your choice and nobody else’s.

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Datasinc [S] 6 points ago +9 / -3

I agree but that's not the argument.

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bubble_bursts 9 points ago +12 / -3

I like this logic.

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Burmeister 8 points ago +8 / -0

I always say to people. "You might not believe in God or Jesus and this is your choice. However we got groups who wanna enslave humanity in the name of Satan, believe that!

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ParlerPatriot 6 points ago +6 / -0

Jesus did one thing that no other prophet or guru ever did before, He claimed He was God. He sacrificed Himself for y(our) sins. And He continues to save!

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metapriest 1 point ago +1 / -0

Umm lots of gurus claim to be God, where are you getting this information?

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redtoe-skipper -1 points ago +2 / -3

No, he did not claim that. He was accused of having claimed that.

See also Jefferson' s Bible.

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ParlerPatriot 2 points ago +2 / -0

Correct, he never says it outright. So you’re claiming Jesus Christ isn’t God?

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redtoe-skipper 1 point ago +1 / -0

I would say, you' d have t distinguish between the first 3 gospels and the fourth, that of John. John' s gospel is a different animal and that is immediately clear when considering the first few versus of chapter 1.

That said, I was responding to your positive and forcefully posited claim that " Jesus" claimed to be God.

That said, let' s now consider your reply above. The use of the word "So", at the beginning of your sentence, implies a direct logical link between this sentence and the previous one with which you acknowledged my statement, that the Jews had claimed he had made himself equal to God (forgiving sin).

In my view, there is no such logical connection, as there is an entirely different explanation possible. This explanation also looks upon the issue the Christian Church has wrestled with to explain the unity of God and Son.

Trinities are not uncommon. As a matter of fact, the Celts, Dietz, and Nors peoples all have trinities in their belief-systems, that can be considered as preludes to Tertulian gymnastics to explain the unexplainable. (You may be amazed at the use of the word Dietz for German, but I simply detest the Latin labeling as absolute truth and use the words as was used by the peoples themselves, and I am Dietz also.;-))

It would be equal to explaining the spiritual connection between a man and God. This s mystical and meant to not be explained but experienced. And this is the main issue with Christianity. Despite it being an important step forward in the abstraction from, for example judaism, and whereas Islam is a step backward, it is a limiting experience for people because of it rigidity introduced for all kinds of reasons, one of which is most important, and that is control by the Roman State.

Leaving behind therefor all the attempt by actors to impose control of the narrative, I would have to consider the claims of unity by Jesus, as were delivered to us in writing through all kinds of filters and alterations, in the light of a personal experience.

The gospels tell you about Jesus Baptism. And the witness tells us that he saw Gods spirit come upon him like a dove. The inference here is the natural unity between God and Jesus became more intense. However, this is not what Jesus says. This is what a witness says. That is his experience.

Are you starting to cognize what I am saying and going with this? It is far from me to claim what Jesus has claimed or not based on poorly conceived records. The destruction, falsification, and clearly the political agenda in construing the New Testament all testify against a forceful stance on what the man Jesus has claimed or not.

This brings me to another point of contention, which is the Julians and Flavians need to quell rebellious uprisings. Several investigators have pointed to amazing similarities in the live of Julius Caesar and Jesus Christ.

And, Caesar was promoted to the rank of god, after having been the Pontifex Maximus for decades. From this perspective, only a ignorant zealot can have a problem with such an idea. This is quite remarkable on its face, as their scripture clearly indicates Moses becoming a god before Pharaoh.

Apropos pontifex. Pontifex = bridge builder. Within the Christian frame of mind, the Maximus here then should be Christ, as he is the only way, no? The Pope, adhering to this appropriated Roman title, is actually equaling himself to somebody he should not.

So, and this is the logical response to your question, the answer to your question must be: No, I am not claiming Jesus is not God. But neither am I claiming he is.

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ThePowerOfPrayer 2 points ago +2 / -0

The destruction, falsification, and clearly the political agenda in construing the New Testament all testify against a forceful stance on what the man Jesus has claimed or not.

The discovery of the Dead Sea Scrolls proves the Bible has not changed, other than the Alexandrian edits which can be avoided if you stay away from the classical Greek manuscripts and stick with the Masoretic Hebrew Old Testament and Koine Greek New Testaments. The King James version and Young's Literal Translation are just two English versions based on the original texts.

The Book of Enoch was also discovered with the Dead Sea Scrolls and really sheds a light on what was going on before the Great Flood. It also sheds light to all of the destruction of what were ultimately Nephilim tribes in the land of Canaan and the purpose of the Great Flood as well.

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redtoe-skipper 1 point ago +1 / -0

Your argument is a bit strange. Please, do tell me what the contents of the dead sea scrolls have to do with the New Testament?

https://www.deadseascrolls.org.il/learn-about-the-scrolls/scrolls-content?locale=en_US

Perhaps you want to take an unbiased look at Nag hamadi collection. https://www.biblicalarchaeology.org/daily/biblical-artifacts/the-nag-hammadi-codices/

This exactly proof my point.

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ThePowerOfPrayer 1 point ago +1 / -0

The discovery of the Dead Sea Scrolls proves the Bible has not changed.

Where did I mention the New Testament in regards to the Dead Sea Scrolls? The Dead Sea Scrolls verify the Masoretic Hebrew Old Testament has not changed since before the birth of Christ. The Masoretic Hebrew texts were passed down from generation to generation along with the Koine Greek New Testament.

The Vatican used texts which were edited into classical Greek by the Alexandrians as the basis for their Latin Vulgate translations. These edited manuscripts were used as the basis for the majority of the modern Bibles, sadly.

The Alexandrians were from Egypt, and the discovery of the Nag Hammadi codices provide proof the reason they edited the Bible into classical Greek was as a way to support their Gnostic belief system. The verses they changed remove the divinity of Christ and support their teaching he was a "corrupted lower deity."

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redtoe-skipper 1 point ago +1 / -0

I have to raise my hand and say: I did mention the New testament.

Now it gets really strange, as you are responding to yourself. I have been in quite a number of discussions. To see this devolve into a maze akin to Kafka is quite interesting. Even as a forum strategy.

Which means that my previous posts still stand uncontested ,which I intend to have repeated here in full by means of linking.

first post: https://greatawakening.win/p/141FFHeCBh/x/c/4OTNC9ivmGy second post. https://greatawakening.win/p/141FFHeCBh/x/c/4OTNC9mLVnb

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PopcornTastesGood 6 points ago +7 / -1

Amen and totally agree.

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AusStormWatcher 5 points ago +5 / -0

Well someones dropped a pebble in the calm water...

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aslan_is_0n_the_m0ve 5 points ago +5 / -0

If A is true then non-A is false. All other religions deny that Jesus is God Matthew 16:15-16 New International Version 15 “But what about you?” he asked. “Who do you say I am?”

16 Simon Peter answered, “You are the Messiah, the Son of the living God.” John 1:1In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. 2He was in the beginning with God. 3All things came into being through Him, and apart from Him nothing came into being that has come into being. 4In Him was life, and the life was the Light of men. 5The Light shines in the darkness, and the darkness did not comprehend it. John 8:24 Therefore I said to you that you will die in your sins; for if you do not believe that I am (He), you will die in your sins.” (He) is not in the Greek manuscripts, Jesus was saying "IAM" which in the Hebrew is YHVH Yahvah ,It was what God said to Moses Ex. 3:14 "IAM THAT IAM"

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kula 3 points ago +3 / -0

Om tat sat, from the Upanisads. I am that. That I am.

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redtoe-skipper 1 point ago +1 / -0

In the now.

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KimJung-Un 4 points ago +7 / -3

I think it's more cyclical than what you've written. 20 years ago, Islam was seen as public enemy number 1 and they had all these cartoon characters dressed up hiding in caves while here we had color coded terror alerts.

Now, it's Christianity more than anything else and that can be argued it's because it's associated with white people more than other races.

One we can absolutely dismiss is Judaism because from the start it's been a nuisance and at the center of evil everywhere on the planet.

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ThePowerOfPrayer 1 point ago +1 / -0

Islam was the number one enemy because the Deep State needed an excuse to invade the Middle East.

Now the war is against the United States as we are the last stand between freedom (only because of our patriotic citizens) and the NWO. They want to wipe the Christians out and patriots of all kinds and it doesn't matter if we're black or white or brown.

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KimJung-Un 1 point ago +1 / -0

Agreed.

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Bigtortoise 4 points ago +6 / -2

Some would say this logic holds Water!

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SuckaFree 4 points ago +4 / -0

Correct.

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HelloDolly 4 points ago +5 / -1

Weird I was thinking about this just yesterday.

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nofin_dolphin 3 points ago +5 / -2

Religion becomes very obviously obsolete once you take enough LSD, DMT, etc. You will see the other side (aka where you go when you die). We are all connected as one entity experiencing ourselves objectively. Maybe there were higher evolved being that tried to explain this to the population at one point and it got lost in translation and lead to religion. But at the end of the day - religion exists to provide hope/fear of devine punishment to the masses to prevent revolting toward the government.

You quickly release on psychedelics that this reality is nothing short of the direct manifestation of your individual thoughts and feelings. The universe is just you. There is nothing else. Think positive, be happy, love - and your life will become just that.

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Space_Monkey 3 points ago +3 / -0

Greetings fellow psychonaut!

I found God through psychedelics too and pretty much came to the same conclusion.

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DontTreadOnIT 2 points ago +2 / -0

When drawing conclusions from psychadelic experiences, I think we should be careful about making assumptions, and how biases affect our perception of what we are 'shown.'

I have an old friend who drew similar conclusions from DMT. No offense - but he acts like the experience taught him everything there is to know about human existence.

My experience with it was similar to what he described. In vivid color it showed me there are other sides to reality that are completely unknown to me. I felt surrounded by love and positivity, and there was some kind of entity (entities?). But I didn't come away with the idea that what I experienced was the true reality, or that this life had no real impact on the afterlife. It was more like I had been working on a puzzle for years and years without making much progress, and then one day I found a pile of puzzle pieces laying underneath the table. It allowed me to see more of the big picture and begin make connections between the practical and the spiritual.

Guess what I'm saying is, in no way did my experience lead me to believe religion was obsolete. Quite to the contrary.

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redtoe-skipper 1 point ago +1 / -0

This is what experience does. It is a personal message intended for you, to allow you to thrive and live your life.

It gives you what you can bear at that point. Talk to any ayuhasca-naut.

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Datasinc [S] 1 point ago +1 / -0

I've done lots of LSD. DMT, MDA, MDMA, shrooms and research chems you've never heard of for over 20 years of my life and was a militant ashiest.

Had a radical, life changing encounter with the God I claimed to not believe in 10 years ago (while sober) that changed my life overnight. Not a damn thing to do with punishment, but love and grace. You don't even know since you've never experienced it truly.

I've tried both. I know which one is real and which is just a chemical trick of your brain.

You can't account for "objectivity" without bowering form the Christian worldview. EVEYTHING in your worldview is subjective.

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arterius2 3 points ago +3 / -0

While I’m not Christian but I’m anti-satanist

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Narg 3 points ago +3 / -0

I can't believe you're getting downvoted for that comment. Being anti-satanist means, I would think, that you care about others. That, if you will, you have love for others.

Here's Jesus on the matter -- perhaps your detractors can argue with Him on the matter:

John 13:35 By this shall all men know that ye are my disciples, if ye have love one to another.

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ThePowerOfPrayer 2 points ago +2 / -0

I can't believe you're getting downvoted for that comment.

I can't either, because I see no downvotes on my end. Kek.

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Narg 1 point ago +1 / -0

Wow. I don't either, now. I don't see anything about a deleted comment, so I must have just misread it.

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Katrina241 3 points ago +4 / -1

Great posr. You'll catch some heat for it...but, that's the nature of the beast.

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Mr_A 3 points ago +3 / -0

Well, the Jews sure make a good case for being the most persecuted. And there are plenty of posts here on this board that seem to back that up, rhetorically asking why they've been booted from so many countries and all...

Buddhists are not exactly known for persecuting Christians, despite the conflicts.

You're using very material measurements of conflict. Just remember that Christ never preached to Christians.

I just don't think it's a good idea to argue for your religion based on how persecuted or victimized it is. The closer you get to eliminating your competition, the wronger you get.

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Datasinc [S] 4 points ago +5 / -1

Well Christianity believes everything that Judaism believes just in the fulfillment of the Messiah and the inspiration of the New testament on top of it.

It's the judeo Christian worldview and the followers thereof that are persecuted.

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metapriest 1 point ago +2 / -1

You obviously don't know your own religion very well. Go read the Talmud and come back.

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ThePowerOfPrayer 1 point ago +1 / -0

The Talmud was developed during Babylonian captivity. It's not Biblical and Jesus condemned the Pharisees and Sadducees who followed it.

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OkieBowhunter 3 points ago +3 / -0

Many of us think the Cabal are a bunch of retards as well and don't give any credence to their thoughts or opinions of human spirituality. They're just fanatics on the other end of the spectrum.

Also, your premise is not the only possibility either... There's another one and that is that all religions hold some elements of truth but not one, is all true.

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ProPatriaMori 2 points ago +5 / -3

Try being a Catholic here.

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Datasinc [S] 3 points ago +5 / -2

Well the pope isn't making that easier.

That reformation tho....

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FiatLux 3 points ago +4 / -1

Yes the reformation where Luther (funny name for a christian huh)) convinced people that they were necessarily evil by a nature , which runs in opposition to the traditional catholic understanding that we are good by nature but have fallen into sin. In Catholicism when we confess and take communion we are repaired by god and restored to goodness - in Protestantism our sins are just covered up by our Faith though we remain evil by nature. To me I never really knew that difference till recently but it’s an important part of why I have never been able to get on board with Protestantism or any of its derivatives (Calvinism presbetyrianjsm Methodist...). Now that said I do think the Catholic Church has been usurped by the NWO who are systematically destroying it but thats a topic for another time...

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50StateLandslide 2 points ago +3 / -1

It's certainly an interesting debate. I suppose I'm on the fence about whether we are truly good by nature or not. It seems like you can come up with as many negative examples as you can positive, but if it came down to being optimistic about humanity or pessimistic, I would choose the optimist side every time

It would be hard to always love your neighbor if you believed that they were evil inside. Seems much better to trust that they are good

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FiatLux 1 point ago +1 / -0

100%

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ThePowerOfPrayer 2 points ago +2 / -0

The traditional Catholic understanding is that we are born with original sin and only baptism by a Catholic priest will save us from eternal hell fire, hence the practice of infant baptism.

From the Catholic Catechism-

The consequences of Adam's sin for humanity

402 All men are implicated in Adam's sin, as St. Paul affirms: "By one man's disobedience many (that is, all men) were made sinners": "sin came into the world through one man and death through sin, and so death spread to all men because all men sinned."[289] The Apostle contrasts the universality of sin and death with the universality of salvation in Christ. "Then as one man's trespass led to condemnation for all men, so one man's act of righteousness leads to acquittal and life for all men."[290]

403 Following St. Paul, the Church has always taught that the overwhelming misery which oppresses men and their inclination towards evil and death cannot be understood apart from their connection with Adam's sin and the fact that he has transmitted to us a sin with which we are all born afflicted, a sin which is the "death of the soul".[291] Because of this certainty of faith, the Church baptizes for the remission of sins even tiny infants who have not committed personal sin.[292]

404 How did the sin of Adam become the sin of all his descendants? The whole human race is in Adam "as one body of one man".[293] By this "unity of the human race" all men are implicated in Adam's sin, as all are implicated in Christ's justice. Still, the transmission of original sin is a mystery that we cannot fully understand. But we do know by Revelation that Adam had received original holiness and justice not for himself alone, but for all human nature. By yielding to the tempter, Adam and Eve committed a personal sin, but this sin affected the human nature that they would then transmit in a fallen state.[294] It is a sin which will be transmitted by propagation to all mankind, that is, by the transmission of a human nature deprived of original holiness and justice. And that is why original sin is called "sin" only in an analogical sense: it is a sin "contracted" and not "committed" - a state and not an act.

405 Although it is proper to each individual,[295] original sin does not have the character of a personal fault in any of Adam's descendants. It is a deprivation of original holiness and justice, but human nature has not been totally corrupted: it is wounded in the natural powers proper to it, subject to ignorance, suffering and the dominion of death, and inclined to sin - an inclination to evil that is called concupiscence". Baptism, by imparting the life of Christ's grace, erases original sin and turns a man back towards God, but the consequences for nature, weakened and inclined to evil, persist in man and summon him to spiritual battle.

406 The Church's teaching on the transmission of original sin was articulated more precisely in the fifth century, especially under the impulse of St. Augustine's reflections against Pelagianism, and in the sixteenth century, in opposition to the Protestant Reformation. Pelagius held that man could, by the natural power of free will and without the necessary help of God's grace, lead a morally good life; he thus reduced the influence of Adam's fault to bad example. The first Protestant reformers, on the contrary, taught that original sin has radically perverted man and destroyed his freedom; they identified the sin inherited by each man with the tendency to evil (concupiscentia), which would be insurmountable. The Church pronounced on the meaning of the data of Revelation on original sin especially at the second Council of Orange (529)[296] and at the Council of Trent (1546).[297]

http://www.scborromeo.org/ccc/p1s2c1p7.htm

Meanwhile, the original Reformers believed in Sola Scriptura AKA The Bible and the Bible Alone and tossed out Catholic traditions. They believed in the gift of grace from Jesus, and they believed you didn't need a priest to confess your sins, that you could have a personal relationship with the Savior of mankind.

Romans 5:12-21

12 Wherefore, as by one man sin entered into the world, and death by sin; and so death passed upon all men, for that all have sinned:

13 (For until the law sin was in the world: but sin is not imputed when there is no law.

14 Nevertheless death reigned from Adam to Moses, even over them that had not sinned after the similitude of Adam's transgression, who is the figure of him that was to come.

15 But not as the offence, so also is the free gift. For if through the offence of one many be dead, much more the grace of God, and the gift by grace, which is by one man, Jesus Christ, hath abounded unto many.

16 And not as it was by one that sinned, so is the gift: for the judgment was by one to condemnation, but the free gift is of many offences unto justification.

17 For if by one man's offence death reigned by one; much more they which receive abundance of grace and of the gift of righteousness shall reign in life by one, Jesus Christ.)

18 Therefore as by the offence of one judgment came upon all men to condemnation; even so by the righteousness of one the free gift came upon all men unto justification of life.

19 For as by one man's disobedience many were made sinners, so by the obedience of one shall many be made righteous.

20 Moreover the law entered, that the offence might abound. But where sin abounded, grace did much more abound:

21 That as sin hath reigned unto death, even so might grace reign through righteousness unto eternal life by Jesus Christ our Lord.

No need for a priest to confess our sins-

1 John 1:9

If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.

The Reformers believed Christians are saved by faith in Jesus and not by works.

Ephesians 2:8-9

For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God: Not of works, lest any man should boast.

They believed works were important, not because they saved you, but because they were the fruit of the Spirit.

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FiatLux 1 point ago +1 / -0

Great post! Thank you for the sauce

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ThePowerOfPrayer 1 point ago +1 / -0

By the way, I was raised Catholic, and when I read the Bible, it blackpilled me against Christianity as a whole because the Word of God contradicted many of the traditions I had been taught in catechism. I ended up becoming an agnostic until much later in life.

It was only after I learned the Alexandrians (the Catholics hold many of them as saints) had edited the Bible from Masoretic Hebrew and Koine Greek into Classical Greek, and changed many of the verses in the process that I looked into the Bible again and ultimately became a Christian. I was baptized as an infant, confirmed at 13, and then chose to be baptized by immersion as an adult.

This is also why I swear by the King James Bible (only errors I know of is that the translators didn't know which animal a certain word was referring to so they translated it as unicorn).

Did you know the Roman Catholic Church removed one of the ten commandments and hid that fact by splitting the 10th commandment into two separate commandments?

It's the second commandment which was removed.

Exodus 20:4-6

4 You shall not make unto you any graven image, or any likeness of any thing that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth:

5 You shall not bow down thyself to them, nor serve them: for I the LORD your God am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children unto the third and fourth generation of them that hate me;

6 And showing mercy unto thousands of them that love me, and keep my Commandments.

Considering Catholicism's love for statues of Mary, Jesus, the saints, etc. and their insistence on using the word "veneration" as opposed to "worship" when referring to statues and relics, it makes perfect sense why they would remove this commandment, doesn't it?

Meanwhile, the Catholics then split the 10th commandment into two separate commandments.

Exodus 20:17

You shall not covet your neighbour's house, you shall not covet your neighbour's wife, nor his manservant, nor his maidservant, nor his ox, nor his ass, nor any thing that is your neighbour's.

This commandment against covetousness becomes the 9th commandment, which is "Thou shalt not covet thy neighbor's wife" and the 10th commandment, which is "Thou shalt not covet thy neighbor's goods" in the Catholic tradition.

Q thought it was important enough for us to know the Lord's Prayer was also changed recently by the same people.

https://qagg.news/?q=%23%23306

I love many Catholics as individuals. In fact, the majority of my family is Catholic still. But I do not believe in the institution.

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ProPatriaMori 0 points ago +1 / -1

...and you’re doing the very thing you’re addressing in your post: “I can only think of one religion that is attacked above all others”. Ask yourself, “Why am I over this Target? Why is Catholicism attacked more than any other religion?”

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Datasinc [S] 0 points ago +1 / -1

Catholicism was killing people for translating the Bible into English and making it accessible to regular people. They were killing people that disagreed with them theologically. They have been covering up massive pedophilia for decades. The list goes on. Now they are affirming gay marriage and the NWO.

The catholic church isn't being attacked, they are being exposed.

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ProPatriaMori 0 points ago +1 / -1

My hell, do you people EVER tire from regurgitating the same. Old. Worn. Out. Tired. LIES?! Do you know it is a mortal and damning sin to engage in calumny, a sin against the eighth commandment? It is absolutely ridiculous to tell a person what he or she believes. If the truth matters to you, if you want to stop doing the work of Satan, read all of this. It will answer and refute everything you’ve ever been told about Holy Mother Church. If you refuse to read it, you’re perfectly content and happy to do Satan’s bidding. http://www.olrl.org/apologetics/cathansr.shtml

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ProPatriaMori 0 points ago +1 / -1

My hell, do you people EVER tire from regurgitating the same. Old. Worn. Out. Tired. LIES?! Do you know it is a mortal and damning sin to engage in calumny, a sin against the eighth commandment? It is absolutely ridiculous to tell a person what he or she believes. If the truth matters to you, if you want to stop doing the work of Satan, read all of this. It will answer and refute everything you’ve ever been told about Holy Mother Church. If you refuse to read it, you’re perfectly content and happy to do Satan’s bidding. http://www.olrl.org/apologetics/cathansr.shtml

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Datasinc [S] 0 points ago +1 / -1

You mad red shoe pope loving bro?

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thedonaldsduck 2 points ago +2 / -0

i did lol

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metapriest 1 point ago +1 / -0

The Catholic church is a pedophile ring. Wake up!

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ProPatriaMori 1 point ago +1 / -0

Education is a powerful thing. The communists created a Marxist counterfeit church in the last century by way of Vatican 2 council. This ape “church” has its own council, damning theology, sacraments, mass, rites, priests, popes, etc. Bergoglio is its leader. There is no pope. Sedevacante! This satanic “church” includes the sodomy, pedophilia, Lavender Mafia, etc. Pope St. Pius V condemned to DEATH any filthy rogue priests. https://greatawakening.win/p/141FFEFYan/as-a-sedevacantist-catholic-this/c/

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ThePowerOfPrayer 0 points ago +1 / -1

The Catholics have been raping kids since they absorbed what remained after the fall of the Roman Empire.

The altar boys were castrated so their voices would not change and they'd retain childish characteristics long before Vatican II.

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ProPatriaMori 1 point ago +1 / -0

I guess you’re illiterate.

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WestCelt 2 points ago +2 / -0

Well I guess we dovetail the Jews in with the Christians since Jesus was a Jew but the Jews rejected him since he wouldn't give them an Earthly kingdom????

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289m 2 points ago +6 / -4

it is not difficult to simultaneously understand all religions.

better reasons for choosing Christianity are: it is true, nothing more is needed, and it is in your language.

but Christianity does not automatically disallow other religions. they conflict much less than people think.

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redtoe-skipper 2 points ago +4 / -2

Logical Fallacies:

Logically either all religions are either false or only ONE is true since they conflict

Right from the start you are starting out with a limited premise.

Second limitation is your own imagination:

I can only think of one religion that is attacked above all others.

The question should be posed: who are you that makes you the ultimate and final word of what imagining may do?

The third assumption is that those who do not belief in Christianity at all, are in that position because of lacking knowledge. In certain cases that may be the case. I am not going to generalize that. However, many other people have made a conscious decision after careful investigation. This assumption of yours also is a limitation.

That said, let me address the core item in your view, and that is BECAUSE Christianity is attacked above all other, it MUST be true.

This is quite an amazing view, since truth and falsehood are always in a struggle for supremacy, like dark and light, male and female, yin and yang, etc. It is not an argument giving direction to it, because both may be true. Christianity in and of itself may be a lie, and hence is considered detrimental. Or, it indeed may be considered true, and detrimental to the lie, or it may be deemed somewhat true and somewhat false, and therefore detrimental to spiritual health.

What I am showing you is your position is a "a priori" position. You are moving from the supposition that you are right and Christianity is the absolutely true. confirmation bias, no doubt.

So in actuality, you have given no logical reason to concern ourselves with Christianity at all. Quite the opposite.

Conclusion

At the very best, your argument comes down to a gross neglect, lack of knowledge (I do not wish to impose upon you a judgement of either ignorance or nescience) and an illusion of grandeur. A combination of factors not boding well for the end result.

Alternative view

Rather than viewing it from a linear point of view, a better representation is what in the Rune writings is a Radho, or a circle.

When you were taught the prayer called: our Father, you were praying for the will of God be done, thy Kingdom come. yes?

You also know that ages pass. In terms of the bible, you may see this progression as well. The bull, the pre mosaic period, the ram: the mosaic period, fishes, the christian period.

Jesus even points to that when he says to his disciples to go into town and make preparation for the meal and look for a man, a water pitcher. That in and of itself is highly irregular, as it was considered a woman' s job. I wonder if he got more, the same or less pay than the woman who usually would do that?

He also says: In my father' s abode are many houses.

Astrotheology at its finest. 12 disciples, 12 Houses. (BTW: 12+1 = 13. Does that remind you of something? yes ...... 13 red and white alternating stripes,13 stars, 13 colonies, but I digress.) We know that every age equals to about 2160 years. And the age of fishes is ending and moving into the water-pitcher.

For a more minute description of passing ages, read this very interesting blogpost.

Man under influence

What is quite clear is that every age has a dominating trend, which is exemplified in the way of religion, culture and government. Franz Hartmann in his book Geomancy writes:

because we see the food which we eat and the water we drink ; we know of the existence of the air which we inhale, and we feel the heat that warms our bodies. These things are not our own creations, nature prepares them for us, lends them to us, and after we have made use of what we have borrowed, we restore them back to nature.

and:

Natural man is not, as many vainly imagine, a self-existent being, creating his own ideas, thoughts and feelings ; but as his physical body is the product of the confluence and assimilation of physical atoms, likewise the constitution of his mind is the product of the action of the intellectual and emotional elements entering his psychic organism. His visible and tangible form receives from the great storehouse of physical nature the four originally invisible elements, called : Earth, Water, Fire and Air (solid, fluid and gaseous essences, heat, electricity, life, etc.), and by means of the physiological processes going on in his visible form he transforms them into such substances and activities as are required by the nature of his corporeal body. These processes are taking place without the intellectual supervision of man; they are going on instinctively, involuntarily and even without his being conscious of it.

Do you deny it? Then when you go to room100 and have a dump, think of the process you are both a witness and a participant and influencer in, and when which role kicks in.

Do you deny to be subject to the forces of Nature? What then prevents us from becoming aware of the more subtle forces we are subject to? Even the bible in Genesis tells us why the heavenly bodies are made. To measure time. At the very least you will grant the possibility there is more to it.

And with the current level of astronomical knowledge and measurements, we find confirmation of the system of knowledge we have inherited: the passing of the ages, the grand wheel. And just as much speed of light is unfathomable, the size and eminence of this wheel is hardly fathomable. But we do have a working model, which can aid us in our inquiry.

As an aside, it also helps us in becoming aware of our own spirituality. Not the spirituality we copy from other people, like Moses or Jesus, or Krishna, or some guru, but our own experience of the ultimate truth.

That is why Christianity in and of itself is a huge step towards a higher level of abstractness. Paul called it: " not walking through seeing but through faith" .

Christianity prepares the man for the discovery of the soul-state, as Paul writes in his letter to the Galatians about the fruit of the spirit. If you care to look, you will see two separate things: a state and behavior. The first three are the highest levels of being: love, joy and peace.

Besides, those who think Jesus to be the only "savior of the world", there have been many before this the latest iteration. Consider a couple of books:

  1. Hamlet' s Mill written by by Giorgio de Santillana, Hertha Von Dechend

  2. The world' s 16 saviors, or Christianity before Christianity written by Kersey Graves

This should give enough pause to at least suspect things to be a bit different than our modern programming allows.

Conclusion

So, when the age of Pisces is coming to an end, and the age if Aquarius is coming online, things will change. Where in past periods the spiritual people were far and between, and most were practicing a very material form of religion, the movement towards a higher level of abstraction is visible. This is not New Age. It is a fancy way of diminishing something, like conspiracy theory invented by the conspirators themselves: Clowns in America.

Yet, truth remains truth. Whether 10.000 years ago, or now, or 10.000 years into the future. You could try to hide it, yet there is always somebody who will reveal a path to it. That is the legacy we are given, in writing, but primarily in the capacity to make that discovery of truth ourselves.

If you want to remain clinging to the edifices of the past, and look towards external sources of salvation, then be my guest. I do hope you will find and/or remain happy. But when you are capable of identifying the times and recognize what these mean.

The problem with reliance on books from the past, is the translation and the limited exposure and experience we all have with it. Hence, our understanding of those books is limited. considering them to be the ultimate, is a limiting factor on our own deployment en development as a spiritual being.

The answers are not external, but internal.

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ThePowerOfPrayer 1 point ago +1 / -0

The God of the Bible has issued an amazing challenge which ultimately equates to Future proves past.

Isaiah 46

9 Remember the former things of old: for I am God, and there is none else; I am God, and there is none like me,

10 Declaring the end from the beginning, and from ancient times the things that are not yet done, saying, My counsel shall stand, and I will do all my pleasure:

11 Calling a ravenous bird from the east, the man that executeth my counsel from a far country: yea, I have spoken it, I will also bring it to pass; I have purposed it, I will also do it.

Prophecy, and verification through witnessing the fulfillment of prophecy, is the reason my faith is not blind.

A prophecy that an ancient city would be destroyed isn't very convincing in and of itself.

Ezekiel 26:3-5

3 Therefore thus saith the Lord God; Behold, I am against thee, O Tyrus, and will cause many nations to come up against thee, as the sea causeth his waves to come up.

4 And they shall destroy the walls of Tyrus, and break down her towers: I will also scrape her dust from her, and make her like the top of a rock.

5 It shall be a place for the spreading of nets in the midst of the sea: for I have spoken it, saith the Lord God: and it shall become a spoil to the nations.

However, stating the city of Tyrus (Tyre) will be destroyed by many nations and cast out into the midst of the sea is a little more convincing.

The prophecy goes further as indicating Nebuchadnezzar of Babylon would destroy the city and after it was destroyed-

Ezekiel 26:12

And they shall make a spoil of thy riches, and make a prey of thy merchandise: and they shall break down thy walls, and destroy thy pleasant houses: and they shall lay thy stones and thy timber and thy dust in the midst of the water.

So not only would the city be destroyed, but the remains of its buildings, "thy stones and thy timber and thy dust," would be placed in the sea, "the midst of the water."

That's a fairly specific prophecy.

Nebuchadnezzar did indeed destroy the city of Tyre, but many of the inhabitants fled to an island off the coast and rebuilt their city there. So this prophecy was only partially fulfilled as the Babylonians left the stones, timber, and dust sitting there.

Now watch what happened 241 years later when Alexander the Great went after the island city of Tyre-

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FaVsRYTNqWc

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redtoe-skipper 1 point ago +1 / -0

Yes, well. ... ask any quail, except Dan Quail. And I could mention more of these quircks. The same goes for your logic.

I just told you: the answers are internal. instead, you quote binge from an external source, proving exactly my point.

Religion is one thing. The physical experience of worship. Who is being considered worthy here is a different matter and up for debate. At best it is the compliance with precepts envisioned by someone else. It is not YOUR spiritual journey, but the experience of the path of someone else. You are simply denying your value and worthiness as a human to have a unencumbered spiritual experience.

I gave you the example of the 16 saviors, of which 15 preceded your savior. No response other than a Quote-Binge.

My question is then: do you want to have a grown up conversation on different views on spirituality and the experience of it, or do you simply feel the need to defend the religare as drone?

I will now also give you a quote. This one is from Q. 4880: You awake, thinking for yourself, is their greatest fear. 4302: Expand your thinking. 4281: Do emotions affect critical thinking? 0777:Why is Big Pharma essential? Expand your thinking past cures.Think Google [new Pixel phone]. 4553:A public (person) that thinks for themselves [independent free-thought] is what they are afraid of most [loss of control].

With a special mention to 4535:

When you are awake, you stand on the outside of the stable (‘group-think’ collective), and have ‘free thought’. "Free thought" is a philosophical viewpoint which holds that positions regarding truth should be formed on the basis of logic, reason, and empiricism, rather than authority, tradition, revelation, or dogma.

So, you could ask yourself, is there in your scripture any example of individual spiritual development? And what is a post-hoc-story and what advantages does that yield for political hacks?

And you thought this current o mi corona experience was new?

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ThePowerOfPrayer 1 point ago +1 / -0

I get it. You tripped on psychedelic drugs and assume you learned the secrets of the universe.

You're not the only one whose had those experiences, and some have even had out of body experiences achieved strictly through meditation.

I'm here to tell you the Akashic Records are real and also demonic.

As far as individual spiritual development goes, the changes I've made in my life thanks to the power of the Holy Spirit working through me have surprised even my own family at times.

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redtoe-skipper 1 point ago +1 / -0

My spiritual experiences are not induced by dmt or lsd. I practice yoga and tai chi. Although, I would not be shy of engaging in such activity, mother ayahuasca has not called me yet.

With this said, it is not my place to judge your spiritual experience. Perhaps, you were not ready, or you received exactly that what you need to fulfill your life right now. It is for you to say what it means to you.

I did ask you whether you could name an example from scripture of individual development of spiritual experience. Bizarrely, you start talking about your own experience, which, were I to draw the logical inference from that, would mean that, based on the average human life span, you must have reincarnated somehow. Which in and of itself would be a funny yet unipolar consideration.

Maybe it is time for me to evaluate the score so far. When I do, I have to say, I do think you have a lot of knowledge on particular issues. Your logic is strained or absent. So, even the fun of intellectual amusement is absent.

I thank you for your time and effort. And thank you for playing.

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ThePowerOfPrayer 1 point ago +1 / -0

My spiritual experiences are not induced by dmt or lsd. I practice yoga and tai chi. Although, I would not be shy of engaging in such activity, mother ayahuasca has not called me yet.

OR

This is what experience does. It is a personal message intended for you, to allow you to thrive and live your life. It gives you what you can bear at that point. Talk to any ayuhasca-naut.

This is what experience does. It is a personal message intended for you, to allow you to thrive and live your life. It gives you what you can bear at that point. Talk to any ayuhasca-naut.

Pick one.


With this said, it is not my place to judge your spiritual experience. Perhaps, you were not ready, or you received exactly that what you need to fulfill your life right now. It is for you to say what it means to you.

OR

Religion is one thing. The physical experience of worship. Who is being considered worthy here is a different matter and up for debate. At best it is the compliance with precepts envisioned by someone else. It is not YOUR spiritual journey, but the experience of the path of someone else. You are simply denying your value and worthiness as a human to have a unencumbered spiritual experience.

Pick one.


I just told you: the answers are internal. instead, you quote binge from an external source, proving exactly my point.

OR

I did ask you whether you could name an example from scripture of individual development of spiritual experience. Bizarrely, you start talking about your own experience, which, were I to draw the logical inference from that, would mean that, based on the average human life span, you must have reincarnated somehow. Which in and of itself would be a funny yet unipolar consideration.

Pick one.


James 1:8

A double minded man is unstable in all his ways.

AND

James 4:8

Draw nigh to God, and he will draw nigh to you. Cleanse your hands, ye sinners; and purify your hearts, ye double minded.

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redtoe-skipper 1 point ago +1 / -0

Pity you for being captive of cult programming.

If it makes you feel better, quote binge on. Better yet, post the whole bible here. That will make you friends.

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ThePowerOfPrayer 1 point ago +1 / -0

You're the one relaying the experience of ayuhasca-nauts while never having done it yourself.

Who's programmed?

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TDS_is_rael 2 points ago +2 / -0

Which form of spirituality is older than all the others, yet is almost unheard of due to it being essentially wiped from the face of the earth? That is the one attacked above all others. Who did the attacking?

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redtoe-skipper 1 point ago +1 / -0

Hypathia of Alexandria is an interesting clue.

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DontTreadOnIT 2 points ago +2 / -0

This is a solid argument. I might have to borrow it.

Thanks, fren.

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photobuf 2 points ago +3 / -1

Religion is Satan's way of corrupting the simplicity that is in Jesus. Satan started religion at the Tower of Babel and it has perpetrated all societies around the world. Jesus was the most ANTI religious person to ever walk the planet. He called the religious leaders of His day the sons of Satan. Accepting Jesus as you Savior and repenting from sin is what the Apostles taught. Does this mean you will not sin anymore? I can tell you from personal experience that every Christian slips BUT when we do, we repent and try not to do it again. There was a battle written in the Bible where there was a Prophet of God against the prophets of Baal and God or Yahweh proved WHO was the real God. We are going to witness another battle in the near future between Yahweh and Allah. The world will witness WHO the real God is once more. Jus sayin!

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Cabal-Bot 2 points ago +2 / -0

This is why Satanists always mock the trinity and an upside down cross.

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Greekish 1 point ago +2 / -1

Nobody needs a "religion". Everyone should read The Conscious Universe by Dean Radin to find out why.

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metapriest 1 point ago +2 / -1

The most hated religion is probably Judaism, actually. And maybe for good reason, not because it is the one true religion but because it teaches people to do despicable things. Read the Talmud if you don't believe me.

And your logic is brittle, is it not possible that all the religions have mixtures of truth and falsehood in them? There are as many versions of Christianity as there are Christians. By your logic, only one single Christian has the true religion.

But don't let me interfere with your religious victim complex. You wear it like a crown of thorns.

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Datasinc [S] 1 point ago +1 / -0

We are talking about major conflicts like who God is. How you are saved.

The standard is also absolute truth. Objective and unchanging. The kind of standard only the creator of the universe can create and hold to and carry forth throughout time.

You are confusing non-salvific issues or different branches of Christianity. i.e. infant baptism.

Then some uncalled for personal attack. That's a good way to polish off your ignorance.

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metapriest 2 points ago +2 / -0

So who gets to decide which are the "significant" differences? You?

Perhaps you can explain to me why the omnipotent creator of the universe prefers to communicate with humans by having other humans write, translate, and copy books. There are many different versions of the Bible, councils of humans decided which books to include or exclude. Do you not see how this is a ridiculously insecure process for transmitting information from someone who should be able to just pipe it into your head directly? Any one of the those humans involved could have made an error or been malicious and you'd have no way to know. And we know that humans misuse their positions of religious authority all the time. And even if they weren't malicious, language is ambiguous and evolves over time, so two well meaning people can come to different conclusions about the same short text.

If I were God, I'd just talk to people directly instead of playing a huge game of telephone.

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Narg 1 point ago +2 / -1

These 12 verses, including direct quotations from Jesus (yes yes, recorded long after they were spoken and translated into English etc) are WHY, in my opinion, Christianity has always been in the sights of those with evil minds and evil plans.

The topics are CHILDREN and their importance, the actual location of God's Kingdom, and the single Commandment Jesus added to what would become the New Testament.

According to Jesus (hey, what did HE know?) one is His disciple if one follows that new Commandment -- no formal affiliation or belief system required.

Matthew 
18:1 At the same time came the disciples unto Jesus, saying, Who is the greatest in the kingdom of heaven? 
 18:2 And Jesus called a little child unto him, and set him in the midst of them, 
 18:3 And said, Verily I say unto you, Except ye be converted, and become as little children, ye shall not enter into the kingdom of heaven. 
 18:4 Whosoever therefore shall humble himself as this little child, 
the same is greatest in the kingdom of heaven. 
 18:5 And whoso shall receive one such little child in my name receiveth me. 
 18:6 But whoso shall offend one of these little ones which believe in me, it were better for him that a millstone were hanged about his neck, and that he were drowned in the depth of the sea.

Mark 10:13: And they brought young children to him, that he should touch them: and his disciples rebuked those that brought them. 
 10:14: But when Jesus saw it, he was much displeased, and said unto them, Suffer the little children to come unto me, and forbid them not: for of such is the kingdom of God. 
10:15: Verily I say unto you, Whosoever shall not receive the kingdom of God as a little child, he shall not enter therein.

Luke: 17:21 Neither shall they say, Lo here! or, lo there! for, behold, the kingdom of God is within you.

John 
13:34 A new commandment I give unto you, That ye love one another; as I have loved you, that ye also love one another. 
 13:35 By this shall all men know that ye are my disciples, if ye have love one to another.

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SOTUisFUBAR 1 point ago +1 / -0

Some sound logic there for folk not so spiritual in my opinion.

Couple thoughts on religion...

Granted there are some extreme differences between some religions, they all may very well be based on God with the differences being man's differences.

Do you believe in God? Yes? Well then, logically you must believe in Satan. Furthermore, that he is actively working to counter God. I think this may be a big disconnect for some people.

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thedonaldsduck 1 point ago +11 / -10

all faiths are under attack.

i believe all of their messages are ultimately one of the same - i also believe that all of their messages have been altered. all of them are run like and only exist as corporations.

respectfully speaking - in business manner - the church has different bibles, copyrighted to different churches/companies, they have their own employees etc. the entire thing reeeeeeks of nothing more then another business. it has lost its way.

there is only one true religion, which I honestly don't believe any one of us know. its something we all feel inside ourselves. ultimately, if we can only have one life, one fate, then we can only share the experience - life - to live and die - regardless of ones perceptual bias due to anecdotal experiences - the experience of LIFE/DEATH is the common factor. what happens to you at the end, should happen to me - so my theory goes - i find it very unlikely that x will be going to planet 1, Y goes to heaven, and Z just never gets a chance again.

i think there has to be some order and procedure we would follow, something uniform - lol.

i feel Christianity, respectfully is as flawed as all other religions, its organisations are corrupt and are causing harm, however, the message the bible conveys - amongst all of its confusion - does tend to focus more so on aspects such as love, hate, fear, compassion etc.

Jesus was the only prophet who spoke of peace and love, compassion etc.

however, Jesus is a mystery himself.

no body knows what happened in his life after he was born. Jesus died at the age of 33. Jesus performed 33 miracles. Jesus spoke 33 times in the bible.

the book if FULL of numerical symbology and symbology in general. many contradictions.

I was raised as a catholic, made to read the bible every day multiple times a day ... naturally had question ... and was banned and removed from the catholic school for doing so.

i have ZERO against any religion. only extremists.

i like what Jordan Petersen once said, I act as if I am accountable to a God. i personally do believe in a God, i just dont believe or worship in any man, no bricks no mortar.

God made me in his image, in the most respectful manner to God - i am the God of my life and i can create and manifest anything i want, using the tools of love, passion, compassion.

i have done so accordingly. my life is beyond great. the things i have manifested using these tools.... Hollywood writes scripts and produces movies about, people create social media accounts and imitate in an attempt to convince not only their following but themselves of their fake ass achievements, ive helped change the future of not only business, but literally - my country ...

this is one answer ULTIMATELY not one man can give you, you will not receive it or find it in a place behind bricks or mortar.

ultimately fren, what do YOU think?

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simon 5 points ago +7 / -2

You were downvoted but you are speaking truth "They hated him because he told the truth."

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thedonaldsduck 5 points ago +6 / -1

i was born in a war torn country, where to be christian, was a death sentence. communism and sharia law were fighting to take over democracy - stop it from forming actually. i was 1 and a half when the islamic extremists tried to behead me. our relatives were slaughted, raped, murdered, some chose to kill themselves, others first their familes in an attempt to show mercy.

now im in AUS. thank fuck lol even now... god bless this land! paradise island!

went to school and was religious ridiculously, not the best christian, but my faith COULDNT BE FUCKED WITH.. even after asking one question that got me kicked out and banned. I WOULD NOT ALLOW MY SELF TO SLEEP WITHOUT THANKING GOD IN PRAYER!

i was 15, scared shitless of going to hell. everything i did in life, was wrong, every where i lived i wasn't accepted, everything i believed i was told was wrong. i couldnt even read or write english when i came here ... by the time i was 6 i was teaching my parents ... i grew up with muslims and many other religions around me , and the x race(s) (keeping discreet for respectful reasons) that slaughtered my family ... all whilst stuggling with my own PTSD from my youth and assisting a broken immigrant family a brighter future ....

after 3 years of daily reading ... i could help but to think someone was lying to me and disrespecting Jesus, my saviour.

define blasphemy? the action or offence of speaking sacrilegiously about God or sacred things; profane talk. "he was detained on charges of blasphemy"

Matthew 27:45-50 King James Version 45 Now from the sixth hour there was darkness over all the land unto the ninth hour.

46 And about the ninth hour Jesus cried with a loud voice, saying, Eli, Eli, lama sabachthani? that is to say, My God, my God, why hast thou forsaken me?

my question was ... did he die a sinner? why would this man write this about him?

i could not comprehend ... why didnt they read his last rites to him? WHY EVEN ON THE CROSS DID NO ONE STILL GIVE A FUCK ABOUT THIS MAN?

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ThePowerOfPrayer 3 points ago +3 / -0

I was raised as a catholic, made to read the bible every day multiple times a day

As somebody who was raised Catholic and also attended Catholic school, I have a hard time believing this statement.

I wasn't even required to own a Bible for our religion classes. Instead, we were taught to memorize prayers, the Mysteries of the Rosary, and saints and feast days. There were only 15 Mysteries of the Rosary (3 sets of 5) when I attended school, but I've read there was a 4th set of mysteries added to make 20 altogether.

Maybe they changed their education since I attended? Who knows?

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Narg 0 points ago +3 / -3

Excellent comment, thedonaldsduck.

"Even as a tree has a single trunk but many branches and leaves, there is one religion -- human religion -- but any number of faiths." ~ Gandhi

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Thothbag 1 point ago +3 / -2

Not true, we dont know how the universe works. They could all be true or combo of some

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redtoe-skipper 1 point ago +1 / -0

We know how the universe works. The 8 laws of Nature have been know for thousands of years. Of course, these were public and hidden at the same time.

1.Mentalism
2.Frequency
3.Vibration
4.Rhythm
5.Charge
6.Gender
7.Cause and Effect
8.Care/ Love.

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Thothbag 1 point ago +1 / -0

You definitely think you know

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redtoe-skipper 1 point ago +1 / -0

Knowing comes first. Then comes mental understanding.

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Thothbag 1 point ago +1 / -0

Some would say "mental understand" is more words to say "knowing"

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redtoe-skipper 1 point ago +1 / -0

Some may indeed.

The question is whether that some extends tot the majority of people, since it is assumed that, because thinking is involved, it equals knowing.

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Thothbag 1 point ago +1 / -0

Are we going to common sense territory? Because we've already established the world is severely lacking common sense

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redtoe-skipper 1 point ago +1 / -0

Interesting wording: common sense, in relation to the topic under discussion.

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GamingPatriot 2 points ago +4 / -2

Yes, this. And doesn't Christianity also state not to be religious about it too? At least that's what I learned in church.

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Datasinc [S] 2 points ago +3 / -1

God I hate that saying soooo much. It's some crap you see on a t-shirt but when you rub 2 brain cells together it makes no sense.

Define "religion"

Yes it's a religion that INVOLVES a relationship with Christ.

/Facepalm

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Datasinc [S] 1 point ago +2 / -1

Not my position you're inferior. Just hate that bumper sticker saying and I explained why.

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Datasinc [S] 1 point ago +3 / -2

Not what the Bible teaches.

Love the truth, hate lies.

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Logic20xx 4 points ago +4 / -0

You’re being a wanker. You don’t know from an internet post who loves more or less than you. Maybe the person you’re telling to love more actually loves 10x more than you. And maybe they hate 10x less than you. Mega douche to parade around like that.

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Datasinc [S] 2 points ago +3 / -1

The Bible is my standard, not ever changing philosophy.

I don't build my house on the sand.

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nukemehard 0 points ago +1 / -1

All the 3 big ones are creepy

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ChunkStyle1 0 points ago +2 / -2

Scientology most attacked by a mile

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Datasinc [S] 2 points ago +3 / -1

Thats a cult started by a sci-fi writer 70 years ago. Religions require a belief in god(s) not aliens.

Basic category error.

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redtoe-skipper 0 points ago +2 / -2

As Asimov so eloquently wrote in his Foundation series: for religion to exist all you need is a rigorous system firmly in place and a differential in knowledge coupled with dependence and awe.

Your view expressed here is a perfect examples of this. You have no clue as to what faith is. Faith is the interior awakening of the Spirit of truth. It is the effect of a cause, a cause setting in motion a chain of events within you, that will lead to awakening.

It is not based on a religare, or religion, but on the discovery of the eternal truth within you. Religion is meant to keep you in your place, to control you, to actually prevent the process of the discovery of self.

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ChunkStyle1 0 points ago +1 / -1

You prove my point perfectly. You "know" certainties about the "cult" but you have never studied Hubbard's words extensively nor participated in it's practice. What you know is what others have told you about it and those others have been every source of mainstream media information available. And it's been done for several decades. No, no brainwashing involved here!

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Datasinc [S] 1 point ago +1 / -0

I don't need to join scientology to know it's a cult. I have studied it however. I'm one of the researchers for the podcast Cultish.

I didn't prove you point, you just assumed your way there.

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Queef_Anon 0 points ago +2 / -2

No religion is completely pure or without corruption. That's how this world, right now, works. I find that no religion holds absolute, unadulterated truth but all religions contain shards of truth.

Jesus Christ is the only God, let's be clear, but He didn't come to establish religion, even Christianity. He came to do His father's will and set the example. I'm not talking about the true church. You won't find it next to a lot, superstore or on a city block. The true bride is hidden from the eyes of the world, as the scriptures testify.

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VicariousJambi -4 points ago +1 / -5

All religions worship the same God but call em different things.

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redtoe-skipper 1 point ago +1 / -0

Well, that is the question is it not? A friend is something physical, though the friendship is the experience of being friends.

Wor-ship of God is actually the experience of assigning worth to something abstract, which means that the deed often replaces the abstract and renders it meaningless.

The question then becomes: why should the gods need our validation as such by worship?

Or does the participation in the experience make us worthy, where it then does not matter what the deity is, as long as the experience is worshipping.

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VicariousJambi 1 point ago +1 / -0

You are assuming that you are not God himself, as you are right now.

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redtoe-skipper 1 point ago +1 / -0

Your sentence does not compute for several reasons.

  1. internal illogical construct
  2. assume = making an ASS out of U and ME
  3. I have divine properties, like you, otherwise you have to deny the declaration of independence to have any merit, where it read: Are endowed by their creator with certain inalienable rights among which are life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness.

You do agree that these properties are divine, are you not?

What happens when someone oppresses another and effectively deprives that person of the enjoyment of these properties? Dehumanization would then equal de-divination.

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VicariousJambi 1 point ago +1 / -0

You do agree that these properties are divine, are you not?

I agree with the former and not the later. I think everyone is divine.

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redtoe-skipper 1 point ago +1 / -0

Case closed.

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VicariousJambi 1 point ago +1 / -0

Well alright then.

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cathole953 4 points ago +9 / -5

The fact that you say that shows your ignorance. Any "religion" that teaches anything other than Jesus Christ being God's son and the path to salvation and Heaven is in direct conflict with the Teachings of the Bible and Christianity. Therefore, every other "religion" is in conflict with the teachings of the Bible.

Islam? Nope, muhammad isn't important. Hinduism? All of their "gods" are false gods. Buddhism? Nirvana isn't real, and buddah can't save your soul. Various pagan religions? They're all fake with no hope of salvation.

So yes, every existing religion is in fact, in conflict with one another.

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289m 1 point ago +6 / -5

yes, Christianity is focused on salvation, and aware of positively integrated monotheism. it is, of course, of divine prigin. it is everything it claims to be.

not many religions teach anything about Jesus, so its hard for their info to conflict on that subject, no?

muhammad isn't God. no one claims that.

Hinduism understands that all of their "gods" come from a single unified divine source.

You cannot know that Nirvana isn't real, nor can you know whom buddha has saved. that is not in conflict with stating that none make it to the Father except through Christ.

Paganism is not intended for salvation, it is simply a recognition of various ways one can interact with nature. again, even most pagans understand that everything has one divine source.

lets keep going!

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Datasinc [S] 4 points ago +5 / -1

not many religions teach anything about Jesus

Not true and the standard we need to show is only 1 since you said there is no conflict. You set the bar, now you are trying to raise it instead of supporting your position.

There is salvific conflict. Grab an encyclopedia of Apologetics and you'll see a few hundred pages of them.

Or if you're broke you can find some charts at a few places like CARM.

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ThePowerOfPrayer 3 points ago +3 / -0

not many religions teach anything about Jesus, so its hard for their info to conflict on that subject, no?

Ask a Muslim if God has a Son, and let me know how that goes.

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289m -1 points ago +1 / -2

so that's two..

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cathole953 2 points ago +5 / -3

Your ignorance is truly astounding. They're in conflict by nature. Jesus Christ is the only true way to salvation, therefore any "religion" teaching literally anything else is in conflict by nature. Islam puts muhammad above Jesus in importance, hinduism teaches nothing about Jesus, yes I can and do know nirvana isn't real, because the concepts of nirvana and Heaven are incompatible. You can't go to Heaven and achieve a state of existence beyond Heaven at the same time.

Beyond that, the entire end goal of buddihsm is in direct conflict with not just Christianity, but every Judeo-Christian Religion (Islam, Christianity, Judaism). The Judeo-Christian God is omnipotent and omniscient. Therefore the concept of a buddah, a being that exists beyond divine entities by achieving enlightenment, is incompatible with three of the other major world religions on the most basic level.

FURTHERMORE the Bible is very clear about the "You shall have no other gods before me" thing. Therefore paganism is also incompatible by the mere fact it involves worship of false deities.

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289m 0 points ago +3 / -3

Where is it stated that nirvana is "beyond heaven"?

islam is simple. one god and one prophet. it is a basic understanding of monotheism. Christianity is a more advanced understanding of monotheism.

nowhere is it stated either that buddha is beyond divine entities. He is not God, nor is he the Christ. just a smart guy. no conflict.

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cathole953 3 points ago +4 / -1

Ok, you're actually stupid. Normally I wouldn't be this rude, but you are actually retarded. Nirvana is a state of existence that is achieved by basically having everything be beneath and detaching yourself from all Earthly emotions. You exist outside of the buddhist/hindu cycle of reincarnation, samsara. Meaning you exist outside of their concept of heaven and hell once you achieve nirvana.

Islam perverts the teachings of the Bible by adding to it and changing it. The Old Testament is basically the Tora that the Jews (real jews and not cabal fake jews) use. The new Testament is entirely different and what Christianity is based on, but it doesn't change the old testament. The quran on the other hand changes both the new and old testament, and then further adds to them to fit the narrative set by the false prophet muhammad. Therefore it's incompatible with the other two Judeo-Christian religions since the Bible is very clear in what it says, and the quran changes it to fit a narrative (the quran is basically a really primitive version of CNN).

And finally, buddha is indeed supposed to be beyond divine entities. While I am obviously Christian, I have a bit of a thing for ancient mythology. Obviously you do not, otherwise you would know the most basic concepts that are interwoven into the fabric of eastern mythology. Including the fact that there isn't just one buddha. A buddha is a state that can be achieved by humanity that exists beyond everything, including the deva and asura (both are types of gods in hindu and buddhist mythology). Try reading Journey to the west. Rather entertaining and perfectly explains my point when you have a demigod monkey beating gods left and right only to get smacked down by a buddha and forced into slavery by a guy who is destined to become a different buddha in the future.

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289m 1 point ago +3 / -2

you misunderstand. God is not the same as gods. in polytheistic religions, there is a hierarchy. It is like calling archangels and angels, gods. simply a bad translation.

how do you know Nirvana is not simply a part of heaven?

The Bible is true, but it does not contain everything. once again, it is an appropriate level of understanding for many people. a more complete understanding than some belief systems, less complete than others. God has written more than one book. none of them make the Bible untrue, but they do expand on it truthfully.

I did not say lies do not exist. but most religions are not propaganda. most religions are closer to sciences. useful and true, but incomplete and unfocused.

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cathole953 1 point ago +2 / -1

Ok, at this point you're just trying to win an argument where you know you're wrong. Especially since with each response you ignore at least one point I made that you can't refute. (No rebuttal for pagans in the previous comment, and now no rebuttal in defense of islam or buddhism).

Also, you're now changing the topic entirely. The original topic wasn't about "religions" being useful in explaining scientific processes, it was about them being incompatible on a fundamental level with one another.

I also want to point out you just proved my point by saying God and "gods" are different. A religion that assigns aspects to various deities is fundamentally incompatible to a religion that assigns omnipotence and omniscience to a single supreme being.

I'm not going to be responding to any further responses from you in this thread. If you wish to continue making an ass of yourself, be my guest. But a word of advice, don't start an argument on theology when you're ignorant of the most basic tenants of most world religions, like you clearly are since nearly every concept I've mentioned seems to allude you.

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redtoe-skipper -1 points ago +1 / -2

You are mixing up alleged property claims vs free people.

What you refer to as the 10 commandments are property rights, and constitute a contract.

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redtoe-skipper -1 points ago +1 / -2

The fact that you say that shows your ignorance

I love how you phrase it. It presupposes that 289m has knowledge but chose to set it aside.

However, when you consider what he writes, it does not show ignorance, but a careful determination.

This is something that you cannot, under no circumstance accept, as the admittance would creep in that your collection of folktales belong to a body of knowledge, expressed through time and place in different ways.

The sheer fact you are not aware of the 15 saviors that have preceded your Jesus, with the same details, time frame, and death, shows that you are arguing from a limited place. Upsideis the word ignorant does not apply, as it pre-suppposes knowledge ignored, but nescient could fit: as ne means no and scient means knowing = not knowing.

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Datasinc [S] 4 points ago +5 / -1

You have seemingly little experience in the area of apologetics and theology. There are major salvific issues between religions.

The devil has you right where he wants you. He's super inclusive.

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289m 0 points ago +4 / -4

lets take the conflicts one at a time, then. you start.

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Datasinc [S] 6 points ago +6 / -0

I'll do one since that's all I need to show you're wrong.

Christianity vs Islam. 4 simple, salvific issues (among many)

Muhammad taught that there is only God, no Trinity, Jesus was not God and was not crucified, and that good works are needed for salvation.

Christianity teaches there is one Triune God (Father, Son, Holy Spirit) Jesus was fully man and fully God, was crucified and rose 3 days later, and that salvation is by grace through Christ and not by works but works are a fruit of salvation.

Super simple stuff.

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289m 0 points ago +4 / -4

of course, the parts of the trinity are distinct and yet one. all separation is illusion.

similarly, Jesus is distinct from God, and yet they are one and the same.

Christians disagree among themselves whether good works are required. the way of truth is to be a vessel for God's will, and if you do that, you will do good works automatically.

following? wanna keep going?

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Datasinc [S] 4 points ago +4 / -0

Only if you ignore what the Bible says about the trinity in order to be intellectually dishonest to support your position.

You also failed to address the other points I made and want me to move on. I think we both know why.

You're wrong.

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289m 0 points ago +3 / -3

Which part of what the Bible says about the Trinity?

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Datasinc [S] 3 points ago +3 / -0

Multiple verses discuss different aspects of the Trinity. This would be the most scholarly book on the subject

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redtoe-skipper 0 points ago +1 / -1

Tertullian was the one who clearly defined these ideas. Not bad at all. An enigma. Trinity therefor is not even designed to be approached from a logical point of view, as it disregards the non-physical level of unity.

Previous to Tertuliian no such clear views were held. I find it quite telling that the Goths chose to adhere to the Arius version of Christianity, which was considered a heresy against orthodoxy. Why was that, should be an interesting question to answer?

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FiatLux 0 points ago +2 / -2

Actually Catholicism does not say “faith alone” you must also have works. Luther came up with the faith alone thing so if you’re a Protestant or any one of their derivatives then you’ve been misled by a liar and a likely jew Luther

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Datasinc [S] 3 points ago +3 / -0

I'm a Protestant but my standard is scripture, not traditions. And scripture is perfectly clear.

Never read anything but a couple of quotes from Luther that pop up on my timeline.

If any words about Protestants and luther, now do your pope.

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FiatLux 1 point ago +3 / -2

Yes but you come into it with a lot of theological baggage that you don’t even know you have. Even though you never read him his errors have perpetuated Don though the years. I suggest reading about both him and what he has to say - to me its an early example of deepstate meddling though people back then didnt know it, now we can spot that stuff a mile off. So as a catholic I urge you to read up on Luther and read the things he said so at least you can articulate why the split happened

As for the heretical pope, fire away!

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ThePowerOfPrayer 3 points ago +3 / -0

If you believe in the solar disk made out of bread that transforms into the literal flesh of God because a priest says a magic spell, you might be a Catholic.

As a Protestant, I argue it's your right to believe in that nonsense. As a Catholic, the Council of Trent says I'm anathema for saying that's nonsense and I need to be put to death.

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redtoe-skipper 0 points ago +1 / -1

I have tried that, sola scritura. It is impossible.

You know why?

@FiatLux will love this one. There is no denying that the Protestants are deeply endebted to the Nicean council of 325 AD, where pagan emperor Constantine tried to hash-out a state religion that would exert a unifying influence.

And quite a lot has been discarded. The gospel of John nearly did not make it. However, it is not surprising as it claims that all you need is the gospel of John. And that is quite something.

When it comes to Christianity, you might want to start with Christianity before Christianity, as it is neither new nor unique and did not start to emerge in a vacuum. The need for an external savior is neither unique. Dependence is a hallmark of a controlling cult.

In this sense, to its credit, buddhism is different in that enlightenment is not propagated, and this is coming from within you. However, for most people, in this life, it would already be a grandiose thing to live according to one' s design.