There is ZERO reason to censor shit like that. Watch what happens when a "shill" or anyone else puts out negative shit. They get destroyed by evidence that people show.
So when someone else comes along in the future and looks at some negative posts, they also see the evidence that destroys the narrative.
Censoring anything except things like porn or other sensationalistic crap (like snuff films), or bots, is always the wrong thing to do.
THERE CAN BE NO HONEST INVESTIGATION INTO THE TRUTH IF SPEECH IS CENSORED.
EVER!!!
Societies self censor through debate. That is the only way.
Censoring bots and federal agents IS necessary to be able to reveal and protect the truth. We are at WAR man. We can’t win this battle by just letting the totalitarian statist fags infect our site. I don’t want to censor doomers, I want to censor FEDS. THOUSANDS of years have built up to this moment, we can’t let them ruin it for our American citizens.
Censoring bots and federal agents IS necessary to be able to reveal and protect the truth.
Bots yes. I said that. Federal agents NO!
The argument, the evidence is what shuts them up. If some Fed comes in and starts talking shit, and people see the evidence that they are wrong it destroys the narrative. It blows up the whole thing. Silencing only ever stops people from seeing the truth.
The only path to the Truth is through debate. The way debate happens is if both sides are free, even those that wish to sabotage. Because if they don't sabotage there, they will do it elsewhere. And when they do it elsewhere, people won't see the arguments against it.
We can’t win this battle by just letting the totalitarian statist fags infect our site.
That is exactly how we win, for the reasons I just stated.
Human beings can be brainwashed in believing anything with the power of branding:
Human beings are brainwashed when they Trust Liars and aren't exposed to Evidence.
Those are the two required components. People MUST learn to not trust (anyone) because it is the opposite of critical thinking. People must be exposed to evidence, and it must never be censored.
The debate is what censors. Free debate self censors. It shuts down bad arguments, and everyone gets to see it.
Turnip knows that reputation is everything.
Lets try this for a "reputation". NO SPEECH will ever be silenced. I'd flock in an instant. So would hundreds of millions of people. That is what it was stated it would be. If it is not that, I will not be a part of it, and I know many others will not be either. We will not trade one speech tyrant for another because of "reputation."
I promise, if speech is censored, in any way (including "hate speech" or "bullying") I will do everything in my power to make it change, or ruin that reputation.
GA mods have censored a lot of things they should not have. It has caused no end of grief.
Our very government, and our current situation, is an example of how infiltration can destroy a good thing.
We were not destroyed because of "infiltration." Well, we were never actually what anyone thought we were, but that aside, assuming the common narrative has any validity, we were "destroyed" because the debate was shut down.
It has nothing to do with bad ideas coming in, but in all the mechanisms that keep rebuttals to those bad ideas out of the discussion.
Bad ideas are welcome. They get destroyed in debate. If they aren't destroyed in debate then they fester, and create worse ideas. All debate must be free to happen, or we can never get closer to the Truth.
Good points. I can't answer the complaints about the mods, but I generally think this place would be worse without them. I'm not saying they're perfect, just that it would be worse without them.
I'm not opposed to the expression of ideas, just the bots and intentional sandbagging/attacks. If each bad idea had a person behind it, that's easily dealt with as you say. But I don't want to get drawn into debates with bots, or watch bots debate, spam, or slide. A forum needs management just like a town needs police. Who, how many, and what precisely they do is subject to debate. But without them, the place can easily be uninhabitable.
If they could provide blockchain security to authenticate ID's though, and eliminate bots, though... that'd be awesome.
It's possible that some of those AI tools are to improve the mechanisms. But the main point I was making is that it's still early to judge, and not worth disparaging the good because it's not perfect.
Precisely. That is the reason that all speech must be free. The debate teaches. The debate is the path to the Truth. The Truth dies only in censorship. It thrives in environments where the debate lives free of all restriction.
Who else here was on those leaked ShariaBlue logs? I would wager most of us lol. Proudly found my plebbit handle from that habbening: u/Thinkingfellersunion
Im digging for sauce but it's been memory holed... Going to keep digging as I recall making a voat post about it before the site went down but basically Media Matters & Share Blue were of course keeping tabs on troublesome social media profiles.
There was a very large pastebin doc leaked in I want to recall as Spring of 2018. In what appeared to be excel or an excel like formatting. The document listed tens of thousands of social media user names, email associated, then had internal metrics cells for other internal data.
It was pretty much anyone and everyone who was active on r/pizzagate r/spiritcooking r/cbts_stream r/greatawakening and a great number of r/the_donald and r/conspiracy users (and other banned/truther subs im forgetting).
There was viral coverage of this the week it happened. Reddit even had to save face by black listing Share Blue for a short time.
Of course, reddit, Twitter, et al were supplying this information. It's not like MM or SB had to "dig" and work to compile it.
We outnumber the shills BIGLY! Right now we just stay away from the cucked platforms because we get censored. Truth Social will change that. And I welcome any shills who want to fuck around and find out. They will be met with overwhelming truth and numbers, sending them scurrying back to whatever shithole they come from. It will be glorious.
Also this could just be disinformation to slow the hype train down and have people focus on the truth. It’ll keep the feds off it a little longer if they think it’s controlled opposition.
There is ZERO reason to censor shit like that. Watch what happens when a "shill" or anyone else puts out negative shit. They get destroyed by evidence that people show.
So when someone else comes along in the future and looks at some negative posts, they also see the evidence that destroys the narrative.
Censoring anything except things like porn or other sensationalistic crap (like snuff films), or bots, is always the wrong thing to do.
THERE CAN BE NO HONEST INVESTIGATION INTO THE TRUTH IF SPEECH IS CENSORED.
EVER!!!
Societies self censor through debate. That is the only way.
Censoring bots and federal agents IS necessary to be able to reveal and protect the truth. We are at WAR man. We can’t win this battle by just letting the totalitarian statist fags infect our site. I don’t want to censor doomers, I want to censor FEDS. THOUSANDS of years have built up to this moment, we can’t let them ruin it for our American citizens.
Bots yes. I said that. Federal agents NO!
The argument, the evidence is what shuts them up. If some Fed comes in and starts talking shit, and people see the evidence that they are wrong it destroys the narrative. It blows up the whole thing. Silencing only ever stops people from seeing the truth.
The only path to the Truth is through debate. The way debate happens is if both sides are free, even those that wish to sabotage. Because if they don't sabotage there, they will do it elsewhere. And when they do it elsewhere, people won't see the arguments against it.
That is exactly how we win, for the reasons I just stated.
Yes, telegram is a great example -.... it could've been a cool site, but the bots & faggots filling up the comments makes them useless.
True,
But the power of branding and reputation is greater than free speech.
Human beings can be brainwashed in believing anything with the power of branding:
Turnip knows that reputation is everything. Which is why he has helped destroy the MSM reputation that the deep state depends on.
If Trump allows any form of speech just to allow it.
The reputation of his platform will die. We cannot have an open debate if the medium of the debate is tarnished.
Human beings are brainwashed when they Trust Liars and aren't exposed to Evidence.
Those are the two required components. People MUST learn to not trust (anyone) because it is the opposite of critical thinking. People must be exposed to evidence, and it must never be censored.
The debate is what censors. Free debate self censors. It shuts down bad arguments, and everyone gets to see it.
Lets try this for a "reputation". NO SPEECH will ever be silenced. I'd flock in an instant. So would hundreds of millions of people. That is what it was stated it would be. If it is not that, I will not be a part of it, and I know many others will not be either. We will not trade one speech tyrant for another because of "reputation."
I promise, if speech is censored, in any way (including "hate speech" or "bullying") I will do everything in my power to make it change, or ruin that reputation.
I hear you.
But the power of marketing has to be considered when making decisions.
Market Free Speech and mean it.
That is all you need to do.
The world needs that more than anything.
I agree with you, but why hasn't Gab taken off like it should? Is it not real free speech?
What would this place, GA, be without the mods? Don't they need tools to do their jobs? Don't those tools use AI?
Our very government, and our current situation, is an example of how infiltration can destroy a good thing. It needs defense.
The proof will be in the pudding. No reason to doom yet.
GA mods have censored a lot of things they should not have. It has caused no end of grief.
We were not destroyed because of "infiltration." Well, we were never actually what anyone thought we were, but that aside, assuming the common narrative has any validity, we were "destroyed" because the debate was shut down.
It has nothing to do with bad ideas coming in, but in all the mechanisms that keep rebuttals to those bad ideas out of the discussion.
Bad ideas are welcome. They get destroyed in debate. If they aren't destroyed in debate then they fester, and create worse ideas. All debate must be free to happen, or we can never get closer to the Truth.
Good points. I can't answer the complaints about the mods, but I generally think this place would be worse without them. I'm not saying they're perfect, just that it would be worse without them.
I'm not opposed to the expression of ideas, just the bots and intentional sandbagging/attacks. If each bad idea had a person behind it, that's easily dealt with as you say. But I don't want to get drawn into debates with bots, or watch bots debate, spam, or slide. A forum needs management just like a town needs police. Who, how many, and what precisely they do is subject to debate. But without them, the place can easily be uninhabitable.
If they could provide blockchain security to authenticate ID's though, and eliminate bots, though... that'd be awesome.
It's possible that some of those AI tools are to improve the mechanisms. But the main point I was making is that it's still early to judge, and not worth disparaging the good because it's not perfect.
Precisely. That is the reason that all speech must be free. The debate teaches. The debate is the path to the Truth. The Truth dies only in censorship. It thrives in environments where the debate lives free of all restriction.
Yeah, its likely that they mean true hate speech, not "misinformation" i hope
It's probably so they don't get slammed with hit pieces that trumps so famous for being the target of
Who else here was on those leaked ShariaBlue logs? I would wager most of us lol. Proudly found my plebbit handle from that habbening: u/Thinkingfellersunion
Wait, what happened?
Im digging for sauce but it's been memory holed... Going to keep digging as I recall making a voat post about it before the site went down but basically Media Matters & Share Blue were of course keeping tabs on troublesome social media profiles.
There was a very large pastebin doc leaked in I want to recall as Spring of 2018. In what appeared to be excel or an excel like formatting. The document listed tens of thousands of social media user names, email associated, then had internal metrics cells for other internal data.
It was pretty much anyone and everyone who was active on r/pizzagate r/spiritcooking r/cbts_stream r/greatawakening and a great number of r/the_donald and r/conspiracy users (and other banned/truther subs im forgetting).
There was viral coverage of this the week it happened. Reddit even had to save face by black listing Share Blue for a short time.
Of course, reddit, Twitter, et al were supplying this information. It's not like MM or SB had to "dig" and work to compile it.
I’m not surprised tbh… I figured it had to exist sooner or later lol 🥲
We outnumber the shills BIGLY! Right now we just stay away from the cucked platforms because we get censored. Truth Social will change that. And I welcome any shills who want to fuck around and find out. They will be met with overwhelming truth and numbers, sending them scurrying back to whatever shithole they come from. It will be glorious.
Also this could just be disinformation to slow the hype train down and have people focus on the truth. It’ll keep the feds off it a little longer if they think it’s controlled opposition.
I’d assume the bqqm comes not from the site, but from what’s revealed on the site