I see a lot of post here about broken friendships and family relationships.
I have a good system I'd like to share.
I have a handful of very close friends and family that are diverse and I've managed to maintain those relationships flawlessly. Here is how.
For starters: If debate you must, then debate from a center point. You don't have to be disingenuous, but you can tone down your beliefs, or you can at least pivot from a neutral aspect.
My family knows how I really feel, yet I am able to still debate them respectfully from the center. If we can move their views from MSM to neutral, thats a big step.
Example;
Them: "What do you think about war in Ukraine?"
Me: "Both sides are garbage."
Them: "Fair point."
Vs.
Me: "Putin is saving the world and satanist are trafficking children in Ukraine in secret underground tunnels!"
A bit dramatic, but thats 100% how it sounds to normies. Thats stressful. Thats too much.
(Funny note: Remember season 2 of stranger things how they had to break the srory of Barb to the public? That is exactly how we must approach this.)
Next step: Stop. Spamming. Your. Loved ones!
Stop sending them walls of text about how the vaccine will kill them. Stop going off about adrenachrom.
That is toxic behavior. Even if you are right. Tho, we can never be certain, we should always remember there is a possibility we are wrong. Humble yourself.
It is not your job to save them. They are adults, respect them and treat them as such.
Warn them once or twice is fine, but going beyond that is abusive.
Just like a pro vaxxer trying to force you to take the vax. Because they are scared for you. Just as scared as you are scared for them.
Realize both sides are coming from a place of love. But its not healthy love. You can't force viewpoints onto people. You can't shelter them from the real world. Stop trying to parent your peers!
At the end of the day. We are all adults. We all make our own choices. We all live with consequences, none of us are perfect. Let them be free to falter.
Side point: Remember, the truth isn't for everyone. Its stressful. Your loved ones have their own lives, their own stresses and headaches. The last thing they need is an Alex Jones rant bombarding them when theyre just trying to live life as best they can.
God doesn't need you to save them. All he needs is for you to carry your own weight.
Which leaves me to my last advice: Be the example.
Come to terms with all of this. You need to stop living in fear. Find your peace, and live your life accordingly. If you can find peace and happiness in these times. If you can concor fear, if you can be the stable level headed one. Then guess what?
People will naturally follow you. You don't have to then turn around and cram every bit of info you have into their brains. No. Be neutral. Be there for what and when they need.
Not for when you need to vent your fears and frustrations onto people.
We aren't saviors. We are guidpost at best. Remember to love and respect even the normalest of normies. Treat them how you want to be treated. Be patient. Let go, stop trying to controll them. Work on yourselves, always work to be done in thay area for all of us. Thats the healthiest, kindest way we can help people. By working on ouselves so we can be stable and strong in the worst of times.
Closing:
You aren't bad for not constantly warning everyone. Stop carrying that burden around!
You didn't do this to the world, and its okay to let go!
Its okay to talk about superfical things with loved ones. Even do things like shop at stores you don't support (Occasionally)
Compromise.
Let yourself enjoy the time we do have together. You will realize how healing it is for both of you.
Talk about gardening, go fishing. (Hey, theyre skillsets anyway right?)
Enjoy life together outside of politics and world events. It is very possible. I promise. God bless and much love frens.
I always assume I'm wrong and always have a "what if I'm wrong" plan. Hands up anyone who thinks COVID is bullshit or not a serious illness but still have a supply of Ivermectin stashed away somewhere?
What's crazy about normies is they are so sure they are right about something that they are willing to bet other people's lives on it. I've never been that certain about something in my life. I wouldn't even bet someones life on what I had for breakfast this morning.
I have Ivermectin not because I am afraid of COVID, I have it because it is appearing as though it has an extreme positive impact on a variety of human illnesses stemming from parasite infections such as cancer.
What other illnesses could Ivermectin (and HCQ) treat?
Why are they trying to keep it away from us?
It also looks like information in this field is being actively suppressed.
Just seems like a good thing to have.
i agree about ivermectin/hcq...AND, i have added a daily dose of raw unfiltered honey at bedtime, after i researched all the benefits for the whole body overnite repairing of organs, etc... i am thinking between ivermectin, hcq and raw unfiltered honey, we will find a cure for just about everything!
Kinda sucks I can't get the normal brand we always did for our horses. Like we have great value equivalent with less IVM in it than before, or off brand not quite the real thing
Glad people are using it, just sucks that it's either 3x the cost it was previously or unavailable for the 1000 lb asshole that decided eat some shit and get worms lol
Get the Durvet if you can. I gave it to my horse. He said it tasted like shit, but he didn't die.
Me too. There are tons of things that Ivermect8n and HCQ cure. The only good thing that came out of covid lie.
Other good things too, many many more people are either confused about big Pharma and the "Experts" or downright realize they are actively working against us. This Awakening to the horror show we call a medical system is a true blessing. Not only that, but look at the ratings for MSM, people are running away from Corporate news. People are realizing that everything they have been told is propaganda and manipulation. Their dominion is collapsing before their very eyes. Their elaborate plans for world domination and supremacy is going up in flames. I'm just hoping they don't resort to a last ditch spoilsport release of a truly nasty bioweapon. Weaponized small pox comes to mind. Keep your ears and eyes open. You see small pox pop in the news, literally get away from people in cities. Get as far away as you can. That in its original form was deadly as hell, a weaponized version may be much worse.
I always finish off the discussion with, “Well, I hope and pray that you are right! I would actually Love to be wrong about this!”
Ditto man! Ditto 😆
100% agree especially about don’t bombard them with the really frightening truths and all at once. When my neighbor started red-pilling me one day we were talking politics because she knew I was a Trump supporter she came at me telling me about the elites/celebrities killing and raping of the children/andrenochrome, 9/11 was an inside job, Clinton/bill gates were dead and these people I was seeing were body doubles. We were also in the midst of the national lockdown because of Covid and she told me this was a fake virus and the government was trying to kill us. I came home and told my husband our neighbors were bat shit CRAZY! She had the best intentions and I am grateful For her starting my red-pill journey but all this information was too much and especially all at one time.
Another thing that works: do not mention Trump, Obama or Biden. These are flash points for emotional reactions. The Bush, Clinton, McCain, Romney and Cheney families are fair game, because almost everyone hates them now. Obama and Biden will be fair game soon.
To the people you describe, The Herd matters far more than the opinion of a few family members.
Being part of, and accepted by, The Herd - The Majority - is worth absolutely everything them.
That's why they believe mainstream media but not their own blood relatives who know and love them personally: Because the MSM tells you what The Majority thinks, and The Herd believes The Majority and nothing else.
They will NEVER change their minds no matter how much evidence you show them - not unless, and until, things like the truth about vaccine damage and the truth about the NWO is presented as fact on the Mainstream News and becomes part of the Majority Opinion.
The Majority is what they follow. Not authority, not actual doctors and scientists, and certainly not you.
The Majority.
Once you understand that NOTHING matters more to these people than the safety of being in The Herd, and the security of being with The Majority, you will understand everything they do.
All of that is true. Also keep in mind that most people who refuse to look at truth, do so from an almost entirely emotionally driven point of view. And when MSM tells them how to feel, they follow right along. Big on emotion, not so much with factual information.
Why wouldn't you believe you flesh and blood family who loves you telling you q is a larp or covid is real and serious? If you want that expectation it should go both ways. But I wouldn't always put my faith in what my brother or cousin say, I'll research it myself. And I've been wrong plenty of times that I hope people don't just take what I say at faith as well.
The difference is that I do not cut off family and friends for drawing conclusions different from my own. They do cut me off.
Best thing to do in situations like this is to self reflect and be honest with yourself. What was done that caused them to be defensive? What could have been done differently? The only person you have control over is yourself, thus self reflection being the key to growing. I’m sure they love and miss you, as I’m sure you do. Leaving the ego behind is one of the hardest things to conquer but once you do, you’ll realize how easy it is the next happy. We know we’re right, the truth eventually reveals itself. Revel in your knowledge and when they come seeking answers, you’ll be there to show them the evidence
I've found it's almost impossible at this point to debate at all.
Probably because when one side of the debate stems from absolute known bullshit, where can I come to meet them in the middle? Accepting some bullshit is okay at times, but not when it's the jump off point
If debate you must. If you can't find middle ground then don't debate at all.
If they can't leave it be. If they're being the toxic and controlling sudo parent. If they won't resect your wishes to enjoy mutal time some other way. Then they are wrong, and its not okay behavior. No matter their political veiws. Id distance myself.
Yes, I have.
It just sucks.
Im sorry fren. I know it can get lonely out there. You always have us at .win.
It is difficult, and it helps to think back to when you woke up yourself. You followed the bread crumbs and put this all together over years, I'm assuming. All the while, the person you're debating has been served plateloads of propaganda and internalized it, likely over a longer time period. Trying to give too much info at once is like unloading a bread truck on their heads. I liken it also to when someone is severely dehydrated. You starts them with little sips at first, as letting them chug water could kill them. Another thing to consider is that they're like addicts. They have to want to understand, even just a little.
You know how Q planted the seeds? He asked questions about things. Showed us where to start looking. The mastery of breadcrumbs is what I call it. Self discovery and incremental realization is the most potent creator of belief. Drop breadcrumbs and see if they research. If they do, they may come back and want to discuss what they found. Drop more breadcrumbs and plant the seeds. Eventually they no longer have a choice about the red pill or blue pill. Once you know, you can't unknow. Psychologically speaking, being in a group with access to secret information is the most alluring group to join. Everyone wants to feel special and even exceptional. This is how counter-culture always develops. Everything that becomes mainstream develops an eventual counter-culture that questions or outright rejects the mainstream. Some people just gravitate to being independent, these are the ones that begin the revolution and question the narrative.
If they won't do anything to research anything on their own, then you cannot help them. They have to find out the consequences of their own actions. I think we have too many of these anyway, Darwin needs the sacrifices.
I think some know that things I've told them in the past have come out into public view now.
I/we are miles ahead of where they are, so I'll let the proof drip out and I won't have to say a word
That’s the way! Subtle and humble
I don't cast my pearls before swine.
I lost my family last year when I was trying to warn my dad against getting a booster. Brother discredited me, dad jumped to his side, and I walked away.
Im sorry fren.
I would say forgive your dad and Brother.
They feel just as strongly as you do about this. They think its saving their lives.
Your father is an Adult, ultimately it is his decision, not your brothers. Tho Im sure it felt like a betrayal. Realize its not, your father already had a predisposition to one side.
Don't take it personally. Stuff rarely ever is.
You're family made their choices, move on, and enjoy the time you do have together in other ways.
Unless theyre being total jerks about it and they wont let it go.
Or, unless, you just feel like that wouldn't make you happy, or you aren't ready for that. Do whats best for you're mental health ultimately. Above all.
I appreciate your sentiments. But where do you take a family relationship once they ridicule/discredit you, after you are doing the right thing and trying to share vital information? They're essentially telling me I'm stupid, and they don't respect me. I've wrestled with this ever since then. We all live separated by thousands of miles, and the phone and email are our only contact otherwise.
I feel you. Its a major blow to the ego for sure.
I can see how badly that hurts, like they didn't even respect you enough to make their stand in an at least civil way. That does suck and that is not fair.
Tho, realize, this was done in a heat of emotions. Your brother probably thinks you are as ridiculous as you think he is.
Your brother probably feels like your advice will kill your father. Just as much as you do.
Very powerful emotion there. Understandable.
First off. I would not apologize. You did nothing wrong, or even, you were all in the wrong at the heat of the moment. (Maybe you ridiculed them a bit too? Idk)
I would say something like.
"Look, I still feel strongly about how I do, but, I am willing to accept your choices, and to respect the way you feel about this, IF you can respect my outlook in the same manor. Not that we need to talk about it anymore. As Id rather not. But I would like to stay in contact with you both again... So, hows the weather?"
Thank you. It would be awesome if everyone on this planet were as patient and tactful as you!
It’s not that hard once you learn to leave your ego behind. U/miztivin is spot on. Here’s good mind training exercise ABC’s
Antecedent- the thing that happens before Belief- how you handle it Consequence- the end result
Let’s use your example.
A- You and your brother disagree about the vaccine. Both of you have very strong emotional opinions coming from a good place B -(we’ll circle back) C- He gets jabbed you don’t, dad sides with propaganda, fear, brother
Back to B. The only part of this situation you have control over is your belief. Or how you handle the situation.
So what is best for you?
You see, the antecedent happened, as well as, the consequence. Your brother and father still got the jab. You had no control. The only thing you have control over is how your belief or how you handle a situation. When confronted with a situation, take a few beathes, count to 10, and run the ABC’s. Before you know it, you’ll have mind fooked your ego
I didn't make choice #1...they essentially ridiculed me and told me to stop sending them articles. Since they disrespected me, I realized they've actually been doing it for years.
I wish I had family members like you!
Be that family member for them. If you’re here, you’re already seeking out wisdom. You’ve spent the time, done the research, understand what’s happening. You are going to be proven right time and time again. Settle your ego with that. Many times it’s not what you say but how you say it. When you’re calm and truly confident, not much phases you. I’ve picked myself up plenty of times, often because people mistake my kindness or easiness for weakness. It’s a strength and when the times comes and they are ready to listen, they’ll seek you out. Wasting your energy on trying to prove you point to people who won’t listen will only frustrate you. It’s unhealthy for you. So find the belief that is best for you and don’t take things personally. It’s their experiences, surroundings, journeys that have molded their opinions. Just as yours have yours. It doesn’t make them bad, just makes them different. Feel pity not anger.
Forgiveness is easy. Trust has to be earned back.
well said, i regret that i can only updoot it once
Also: Baby Steps...
A small truth is much more likely to be accepted than a big one, over time many small truths paints a larger picture that would have been rejected outright if just shoved in their face, its better to supply them with all the colors and then have them make the paint by numbers picture....
Totally agree. We were discussing this topic last night. It took me a long, long time to get to where I am today and I can't expect others to come to the same conclusions after a few conversations. Once the truth comes to be accepted by the majority, my role will be to help them through the transition.
This is how I live my life. Only my hubby knows how truly far down the rabbit hole I’ve gone. He isn’t there with me yet on Ukraine. He still thinks Putin is evil. Yet he did get on board with the COVID hoax after I sent him a video of Dr Peter McCullough.
Took me awhile too! Now I’ve created a monster! Kek
Excellent post, hopefully it gets stickied as we could all use "talking points" through out this ordeal.
I have a system, it has a acronym:-
SCROTUM.
SCReam the
Obvious
Truth (fucken loudly, interspersed with expletives and personal attacks)
Until
MAGA
Kek
I fear the same thing—that they will come back and say, “Why didn’t you say anything?!” So I actually just tell them that—“If this all ends up going sideways like I think it will (but hope and pray it doesn’t), I just don’t want you mad at me for not saying anything!” They understand and usually cut you slack for it.
Don't put that burden on yourself. They know where you stand, even without all the context. People aren't stupid, just stubborn lol.
They're responsible for their own choices, not you.
A method that I've found useful is to use small, easily found truths that even a normie can locate themselves. The more compelling and easier to swallow, the better.
For instance, regarding Ukraine v Russia, when coworkers and family have begun their usual kill-Putin, donate-to-Ukraine drivel, I've found an easy response is simply "When I looked into the situation, my most surprising find was the third army fighting in the middle of it all, the Azov Battalion." This is new, slightly jarring, but doesn't activate their immediate "but we have to be anti-Russia" programming, and they can easily be persuaded to look up information about the Azovs on Woke-ipedia (and it's enough to begin that redpill).
"I'm not sure what to think after reading about the 10,000 pages of documents that judge forced Pfizer to release. They were hiding a lot of stuff that contradicts everything they marketed before. I'm worried about my friends and family now."
"I'm not sure exactly what my opinion is. I know that I don't like to agree with the Clintons, Romneys, Bushes, Pelosi, Biden, and McConnell."
"People keep pointing out how often Alex Jones has been right, lately. I don't like that he's being right. He's supposed to be crazy, but instead the world is going crazy."
And regarding the Russia/Ukraine thing—I try to stay neutral with, “The people of Ukraine are innocent, the people in Russia and China and North Korea are innocent. Our government and C-A are doing a lot of shady stuff all over the world and yet we don’t condone it; we consider ourselves innocent of their crimes. The fact is, all these governments, including ours, are led by a bunch of evil people and they are putting all of us at risk and lying about it.” That is something we can all agree on, and the goal is to get them to move them in our direction with baby steps.
thanks fren, wise words. I am definitely guilty of going far but i'm learning to dial back. I have to think, if they think im crazy then they will think my ideas are crazy too, so i make sure to eat healthy, exercise, look fit, young, and positive. making my image more appealing. its like getting fitness advice, you want it from someone who practices what they preach and has the results. If we look anxious, doomered, black pilled, stressed, chicken little, they're not going to want to go down that path.
Fuck that. I've no friends who aren't redpilled. My extended family can fuck off or shut up and leave me alone. They all heard the truth and rejected it. Now they can learn the hard way. I'm following what everything we have thought for the past 5 years has been getting confirmed. Stand fast on the truth.
btw. I have learned a lot from vets on this board. I have learned all about America and what it stands for. There is patriotism and love in the toil, bravery and sacrifice of the military.
If you had tried telling me that a few years ago, I would not have understood.
I'm right there with you. There is no compromise with people who have wanted you dead for the last two years. "Those people" are no longer in my life and I am much happier since then. Find new friends and make them your family if you must.
Some people need to be treated like how they treat you.
^^^This^^^
Well said. Right on. Excellent points. Clear, concise, good examples. Your are an excellent writer. Thanks for posting this.
I take this same approach, agree with you. Baby steps on normies.
Great advice. I need it. Been fighting off depression about this whole mess.
Thanks for your clear-eyed and respectful approach.
Good post and advice.
My observations usually point to the same conclusion, those who are the loudest (both sides) do it for 2 possible reasons…
The desire to be heard in this world - stems from low self-esteem, superiority complex, narcissistic behavior, etc.
The self-imposed burden to Save others - be it from good intentions or from a spillover from #1
Very well put, very good guidance.
I love cupcakes, but if somebody tries to cram one down my throat I'm going to resist. On another note, I think normies don't want to know. If they know, they would have to react. They care too much what others think about them and will not risk being shut out of the acceptable circles. I'm guessing most of us on here are rebellious enough in nature, we don't give too many flying figs what others think. With that..agreeing with OP. That strategy has worked well with me as well.
Thanks fren, I kinda needed this..
What's this? Reasonable compromise and using logic in conversation with people who aren't on your level?
OP, this is the internet. How can you expect us to practice such intellectual and emotional maturity? I must leave all my opponents smoldering in my wake and all my bridges must be burned if they disagree with me slightly on anything. What about my PURITY, OP?
These rules are strictly for frens and family only.
Feel free to continue to scortch earth troll the normies online!
Deus vult!
I disagree with your post, part of it atleast. Full of contradictions. How am i supposed to redpill my family if i cant send walls of text with sources to support them? Slow walking it does not work. Precision strikes with force NOT a slow war of attrition. And with family you can afford to be more forceful. Go too far with a friend and they can cut you out of their life no problem, family youre stuck with. You say dont parent the parents but the slowwalking beating around the emotional bush is treating them like a child. My parents are not children, if theyre made uncomfortable by and ignore my messages then they are wilfully ignorant and acting like children. Correctly being told by your child that youre acting like children is a heavy hit to their psyche. The reason people are not successful being forceful is because theyre forceful with no followup. Be relentless with the truth, Dont dish out a redpill then take a break for a week because that makes the person think its not really that important.
The thought process of "That is toxic behavior. Even if you are right. Tho, we can never be certain, we should always remember there is a possibility we are wrong. Humble yourself." Is what got us in this situation in the first place we ARE right. Singing the truth loud and clear and constant is NOT toxic behavior, its the behavior that will get us out of this mess.
You do it tactfully! People will listen more when it’s subtle or they become curious. My grandmother used to tell me to plant seeds, they will grow at their own pace and many times think it was their idea or their thoughts. You’d be surprised
A seed does not have to be small. A coconut is a seed.
A seed has to be watered and given light. You cant just put a seed in a box and leave it alone. Consistency is more important than subtleness. Not every case is the same obviously but were dealing with constant ongoing brainwashing here we need to match that intensity to break it.
For some, if you say you don't care about what's going on in Ukraine, they'll go nuts.
This is a great post. Thank you for posting it. I just wish my daughter would even talk to me. It’s been six months she refuses to even talk to me. I don’t need to talk to her about politics or other things, but she’s so far off the left deep end, that she has refused to see me. Just cult activities you know. When they start pushing out their own family members including me, my mother which is her grandmother and my brother which is her uncle, it’s very disheartening.
I don't deal with them any more. They had their chances to wake up. It's so blatant now, anyone who is still asleep is choosing to o stay that way.
So...fuck 'em. Let God sort 'em out.
Whenever a normie try to discuss this, I answer « Slippy slope » then totally ignore any of his attempts to further the discussion.
Excellent points and great perspective. Thank you. I think there’s another part of this that needs saying as well. Many who have been trying to warn their loved ones about the jabs, or about what we believe is going on in the world, are coming from a place of vulnerability. When our loved ones announce intent to make a choice we believe is potentially harmful to them (or to us), it can be difficult to be rational or quiet about it. It can feel very threatening. I completely lost it when my daughter said she might as well just get the jab because it was easier to comply. Ultimately she didn’t get the jabs because she understood my vulnerability - that it would destroy not only me, but her little ones, if something were to happen to her. I also shared my concerns with my granddaughter’s other grandparents because I know how much they mean to her and I wanted to try to spare her the devastation she would feel if she were to lose them. In the end they chose to do what they felt was best for them. When you have mutual respect in a relationship, I think we can try to understand the other person’s feelings and realize some decisions are not made in a vacuum. I think it’s always important in these conversations that pride - and the need to be right - is not a factor on either side. As you said, u/miztivin, we need to always come from a place of love and if that love is rejected, we have to be okay with letting go.
Excellent post and great advice. Thank you. I’ll screenshot your post and save the part on being neutral for the next time I’ll meet up with my family.
LOL That's EXACTLY how I "work it" around my Dem/Lib family members.
The key is to come at them with neutral arguments, and not ones they think are batshit insane!
Also note. We can't change their minds. They must be shown. It's useless arguing. Our job is to sit back and enjoy the show. We can give support and love. A shoulder to cry on.
False. We CAN change their minds. Be forceful and relentless with sources to back it up. Sitting back and watching isnt going to amount to shit when things start happening and they still believe the msm lies. Its our job to break their conditioning, they wont be crying on our shoulders theyll be furious and distrusting of all authority including the good guys because theyll still have the distorted msm lens lingering in their mind
OR you can create resentment and lose a friend or loved one....
Im willing to risk resentment in order to wake up a loved one. If they want to cut me out of their life in order to avoid the truth then its going to hurt them more than itll hurt me.
Thank you for posting. Words of Wisdom AND Love! Blessings.