So I was looking through Canadian Parliament using Google Maps for a pet project when I came across something that caught my eye. The Imgur image link are screen caps I took to show where this information is located as well as my thought process.
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This shows from the main entrance where the room is located.
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This is the interior of the room in question.
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Shows engravings on the wall of the previous office users. When Googling their names, it becomes clear that this is the Speaker of the House of Commons of Canada's office.
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Who is this on the wall?
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It is Thomas More. Who is Thomas More? He was the Lord Chancellor to King Henry VIII Oct 1529 - May 1532, Chancellor of the Duchy of Lancaster Dec 1525 - Nov 1529, Speaker of the House of Commons (UK) Apr 1523 -Aug 1523. He was also well known for being a lawyer, judge, philosopher, and author.
His most notable work being Utopia (1516). This book is a commentary of socialism set in a fictional story, some say he was a critic and some say he supported it.
By the time Marxists came around, they believed it was too simplistic. But is clear that there are parallels between the philosophies.
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These are notable questions that arose as I studied the portrait.
Why is it shaped like a pentagon?
Why is the links of the chain shaped like the letter S over and over?
What is the symbol above the pendant?
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What is the pendant supposed to be?
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Could it be?
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Comparison photo from before 2013 (when google maps 3d captured the interior of Parliament). The caption states it is Milliken, in the photo. Note his name is engraved in image 5. But in image 13, you can see that Milliken's name is not yet engraved on the wall.
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Now I tried to compare paintings to see whether Milliken had different artwork hung.
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Now compared to Google Maps from 2013.
Personally I think they are different. I came to the conclusion on the basis that the top left corner of the art in Milliken's office is more of a lighter/blueish colour, whereas the Google Maps 2013 image is darker and more green.
If I am wrong please let me know.
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So who held the position of Speaker of the House of Commons of Canada in 2013?
Andrew Scheer.
Now, assuming that Scheer chose his artwork to hang, why would he specifically hang the portrait of Thomas More?
Note Winston Churchill is also on the wall. To people who have actually looked at WWII more than our grade 10 history class will teach, you will see that the Allies actively committed war crimes in their bombing campaigns. Real history should not be so kind to the man who approved firebombings of civilian targets that held no strategic or military importance.
I know that Scheer is no longer in the spotlight, and no longer running for the office of Prime Minister. I just found this absolutely astounding.
good to know I'm not the only one digging in the weeds for research like this. i think posting information like this, even if its just your questions is very important...otherwise it just gets saved on your comp for no one to ever see. researching has become an enjoyable hobby for me as I'm sure it has for you and countless others...keep up the great work and please continue your quest for information, wherever you are called to go.
Research in this is amazing. This is the kind of digging we need, and who knows what kind of connections even obscure topics like this can link to once more pedes join the dig!
Cheers.
It really is. Learning to organize and collate the information is pretty key.
I use a lot of techniques now I wish I had ten years back.
The big one is archive.today. Being able to scrape sources, archive them online, download the archive, and also save as PDF. I then backup files in a number of places automatically.
What I need to do is buy a buttload of cheap usb sticks and archive there too.
You should consider making a "HOWTO" post on this.
I would say buying SSDs which are becoming cheaper by the day might be more cost effective.
The chain on Thomas More is The Collar of Essex. The Tudor Rose hangs from a Dual portcullis.
Came to say this that’s the Tudor rose ... sorry for the Wikipedia. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/House_of_Tudor
That rose picture is in the shape of a heptagon (7 sides) not a pentagon (5 sides). I wouldn't ascribe too much meaning to simple geometric shapes anyway, because they're SIMPLE GEOMETRIC SHAPES. People who want to see symbols in everything will surely find them, whether they are real or not.
Moore was a Lancastrian, the red rose was the symbol of the House of Lancaster. The House of York was symbolized by the white rose. Hence the so called War of the Roses. The House of Tudor fought on the Lancastrian side, their symbol is a combination of white and red.
While I would agree about being careful seeing symbols in places they may not be. I had never seen the Tudor Rose before, and my thought process was what I had seen before. Considering that Thomas More wrote Socialist literature, it's understandable I could associate the two. Now that I know what it is, I will research it more to understand.
you left out the fact that he opposed Henry's religious persecution of Catholics and was beheaded for It.
Churchill denied peace talks with Germany ten times before the war even began. Churchill is trash.
See "Man for All Seasons".
Churchill did the fire bombing in response to HItler's bombing of London and other British cities. War is not fun or pretty and nobody is ever totally innocent in war.
Is that official? Did he actually confess to punishing Japanese civilians for the actions of Germany's government? That is a clear cut war crime, is live to see where you saw the confession.
England bombed German cities in response to Hitler bombing the English cities. I'm not sure where you got a connection to Japan in regard to Churchill.
Im pretty sure the U.S. firebombed a Japanese city or two prior to the bombs being dropped on Hiroshima and Nagasaki.
I do not condone the killing of civilians in any conflict. Since '65 onward, our enemies used that tactic against us indiscriminately. We'll be dealing with it conflict until the end of time. IEDs have also shown to be extremely lethal to our troops, so except to see these in some form or another in every future conflict, especially EFPs.
That pendant looks like the Tudor Rose.
Calm down Robert Langdon!
All over the world fren! Even in Australia. There is most certainly a reason the great Tartarian civilisation has been scrubbed from the offical history books. Who were the Tartarians and how recently were they here?
God bless YOU fren!
I do love deep diving into the mysteries of our ancient and now it seems recent past. I've worked in construction for a long time and know the time frame and machinery/manpower logistics of it. The ideas that these gargantuan structures world wide were built by a small population with only hand tools, horse and cart and no cranes is absurd. An excellent red pill into this area are the turn of the century World's Fairs. So fascinating. The 1893 Chicago World's Fair is mind blowing to say the least.
We the people have been lied to about so much.
Very interesting. Same with the First Settlers story for Australia. And the indigenous aborigines here. We've got massive mudflood buildings throughout Australia that, with the barest of critical thinking, would've been impossible for convicts and new arrivals in a "wild untamed" land to whip up (with their hand tools etc) whilst also trying to simply survive. Multi story buildings with 25 ft high ceilings, ornately finished and with large heavy stone statues on roofs with tall copper spires. Many built in that same "Greco-Romano" (Phonecian?) style seen world wide. It's a ridiculous narrative.
Then there's the evidence of star forts in Sydney harbour, Tasmania, Perth and even potentially in the desert outback. Coupled with the ruler edge straight lines running for hundreds of miles across inland landscapes cutting through hills and gorges. These lines also continuing into the ocean...
I implore anyone and everyone to internet search "star forts", click images, and ask themselves why have we never been taught about these things? The answer: The history narrative is a lie. Even the Statue of Liberty stands on one. Then there's the astonishing Fort Jefferson, Florida. There's much exploration left in the world, right beneath our noses. Who'd have thought huh?
It's a fascinating topic. Over the last few years I've enjoyed the research of Jon Levi, Martin Leidtke, Auto Didactic and others including the original Mud Flood channel, long since gone. The earliest photography of cities show such incredible things. San Fransisco is a great example as are the early sky scrapers of New York. Then there's the architecture of places like Kazan, Russia too. Amazing.
Thank YOU fren! I agree entirely! And thanks for the links. I love absorbing this type of info, connecting the dots and digging up more and more pieces of the puzzle.
Such an excellent dig!
This could be a compelling book I’d enjoy reading.
St Thomas More was executed because he refused to acknowledge the future wife murderer, Henry VIII, as head of the Church and he also refused to recognize the whore, Anne Boleyn, as England's Queen. I have always loved what he said in his speech right before he was executed, "I am the King's Good Servant, But God's First."
Can someone dump the images?
I just want to say thank you to everyone pointing out it is the Tudor Rose. I had never heard of this before, and now I am going to go read about it.
I told you it was the Collar of Essex earlier. It is actually The Collar of Esses. I tried to dig on the meaning of the S links in the chain. No one is really sure of what the S links stand for. However, I did run across an interesting read on the subject. I'll leave a link here https://erenow.net/postclassical/the-fears-of-henry-iv-the-life-of-englands-king/30.php It is not a long read 5-10 mins maybe.
You should the War of the Roses is a tale of exactly how power money hungry elites, really mess everything up for everyone. Pretty much what we have going on right now ...
Love this!