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redtoe-skipper 5 points ago +5 / -0

In this context ... I found Agent game to be quite apt, though badly acted.

That said, I cam across this little gem, to be taken for what it is, unverified, from Thesaker.is

“”How many NATO officers are now in Mariupol?

“…There are now about 200 NATO officers and foreign instructors…[remaining] in the underground concrete premises of Azovstal. …. “[I]n Mariupol there was a large intelligence center of the French Armed Forces, acting in the interests of the alliance and the Kiev regime … but by the time the battle for the city began, there were 53 officers of the French military intelligence DGSE … they could not leave, because the Azov militants … the Nazis decided to use them as a guarantee that they themselves would be pulled out of the boiler.

“In addition to the French, there is a group of mercenaries in Mariupol … officers from Canada, Sweden and the UK, as well as a detachment of Syrian Turkomans… [and] among them there may be career intelligence officers from the Canadian CSIS, the Swedish Must and the British MI-6, who like to use the status of a mercenary as a cover. In general, they, too, were in a trap. …. “On March 18, Chancellor Scholz came to help Macron, and on March 20, with the consent of Moscow, a rescue team was sent to Mariupol from officers of the German military intelligence BND. But the “Azov”, believing that this was the only hope for them to escape … turned the Germans into hostages, despite guarantees from the command of the Armed Forces of Ukraine and the representative office of the Azov regiment located in Kyiv. … “This was followed by attempts to evacuate the French and Germans with the help of helicopters of the Armed Forces of Ukraine, which … [resulted] in five downed helicopters. In one of those helicopters that fell into the sea, there were supposedly two Frenchmen… According to radio interception, 21 Frenchmen died on the territory of Azovstal. …. “Now all living (if there are still any) foreign intelligence officers and military specialists held in Mariupol are concentrated at Azovstal to serve as human shields for the Nazis. Since the intelligence officers of the NATO countries and Sweden are of great operational interest to the Russian special services, and the very fact of their capture can have a huge propaganda effect, as well as become a serious trump card for pressure on the Western countries, efforts were made to take them alive.

“This circumstance greatly hampered the assault on Azovstal and did not allow powerful bombing and artillery strikes … But judging by the fact that now the intensity of the work of artillery and aviation has seriously increased, either information has appeared that the foreigners were liquidated by the “Azov” in order to avoid their detention by Russian special services, or, in order not to put the lives of our soldiers at unnecessary risk, they simply waved their hand at them.”

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bubble_bursts [S] 1 point ago +1 / -0

Sounds very plausible to me. Makes you wonder how blatantly the axis of evil, oops I mean NATO, has been co-ordinating with each other whatever evil schemes they are cooking up in Ukraine.

I believe Mariupol was always the real prize and the real target. Really hoping Russians can capture a few of these western intel guys.

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TrueRenegade 3 points ago +3 / -0

However, at the same time they are extremely important persons for Washington. A (n unnamed) source familiar with the analysis of radio intercepts told the project @wargonzoo

Even assuming this is true (50-50 odds is being very generous, IMO), since when do intelligence agencies send VIPs into probably the hottest warzone on the planet? Sure, maybe around places like the bases in Iraq or Afghanistan, but irreplaceable ones? It's the same kind of clown shit as claiming one of the biggest NATO fish in the chain of command has been captured there.

to conceal this "sensitive information", the American intelligence services are ready to order the Azov militants to eliminate these two officers.

Uh-huh...sure. At the absolute least, they're gonna be shadowed by contractors, mercs, what have you. If they're in this much danger, it's probably going to be their own security detail of spec ops guys most likely. And knowing that's the case, why wouldn't they just have orders from above to eliminate these "VIPs" if their info was about to be divulged instead of contracting it out to the boogeyman?

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bubble_bursts [S] 0 points ago +1 / -1

Watching things unfold from the beginning of this Ukraine incursion, one thing that has become clear is that Mariupol is one of the most critical targets if not the critical target for a number of reasons.

While areas like Melitopol, Kherson etc got liberated within days, areas like Kharkiv and Mariupol seemingly did not make progress for weeks. This is especially true for Mariupol. Every inch of the city was held my Azovs holding civilian hostages and as they started liberating all the areas, it became clear that Azovstal plant was the final stronghold.

Considering this is a factory and not a residential area, one would wonder why Russians didnt just vaporise the whole building, and what they have been waiting while attacking so cautiously ?

We have to look at another related rumour about Azovstol - "The Hole". Apparently the deadliest bioweapons lab where they conducted human experimentation. Okay, we didnt pay much attention to it when it first dropped, rightly so, because it sounded outrageous.

But does the puzzle image starts looking clearer when we put all these seemingly hard to believe rumours?

High value target, very slow progress, deadliest weapons lab, and now NATO VIPs.

since when do intelligence agencies send VIPs into probably the hottest warzone on the planet?

What if they never expected Russians to take over Mariupol because they believed they had other leverage over Putin? What if, it was not supposed to be the hottest warzone, but rather control and command center of the most horrible kind, and Cabal had no sent their high value intel officers to that place to keep an eye and make sure it wont go out of their control?

they're gonna be shadowed by contractors, mercs, what have you.

Would they take unnecessary risk by sending mercs to a place that could make most people's stomach turn very quickly? Especially if they did not believe it would ever fall?

why wouldn't they just have orders from above to eliminate these "VIPs" if their info was about to be divulged instead of contracting it out to the boogeyman?

Because such an order would never be given in normal circumstances, and when things get dire enough to give this order, no one would care for anything except ensuring their own survival. I would say at that point all bets are off.

When seen with other info in context, it feels more than likely that something very important to Cabal is happening here.

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TrueRenegade 2 points ago +2 / -0

What if, it was not supposed to be the hottest warzone, but rather control and command center of the most horrible kind, and Cabal had no sent their high value intel officers to that place to keep an eye and make sure it wont go out of their control?

Even so, it's still too in the way of potential danger for that kind of thing. If I had to guess, that sort of thing would probably be somewhere like Brussels, London, or Jerusalem- well out of the way of any real danger.

Would they take unnecessary risk by sending mercs to a place that could make most people's stomach turn very quickly? Especially if they did not believe it would ever fall?

Uh...because VIPs, especially spooks, would as a matter of practice, bring a fuckton of armed security, especially when it looks like things have even the slightest chance of popping off in the neighborhood. And besides, anyone assigned to guard VIPs in a facility like you're describing (which in a city of that former size, would necessarily have to have started under the Soviets- they don't just trash those blueprints) is going to have at least a Top Secret level clearance and legally forbidden from divulging it anyway.

And even if the shit you're describing is happening, not even our "intelligence" community is stupid/evil enough to put their VIPs that close to harm's way. They're going to contract that dirty work out to some plausible deniability patsies, I guarantee you.

While areas like Melitopol, Kherson etc got liberated within days, areas like Kharkiv and Mariupol seemingly

So Mariupol is being "liberated?" Like how East Prussia and Lower Silesia were "liberated?" Or the Kresy? Or if you're looking for a more recent example, Grozny?

Apparently the deadliest bioweapons lab where they conducted human experimentation.

Have we learned nothing from the past two years or so? You don't need a "deadliest bioweapons" lab to carry out mass human experimentation! All you really need is a mass media terror propaganda campaign to make them afraid enough, and a good half of people will literally line up to be experimented on! And no, the promised land is no exception to this trend.

The Kremlin's made a lot of big claims about supporting terrorists- er, "Nazis" and WMDs- I mean, "biolabs," and promoting democracy in the Middle East- er, "defending ourselves from NATO," in addition to a number conveniently shifting positions, all of which come off as figleaves to go after a country they'd had it in for for years now. Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice...

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bubble_bursts [S] 0 points ago +1 / -1

Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice...

Wait, you are actually using the fact that Iraq war was based on lies to claim that Russian invasion of Ukraine is the same ?

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TrueRenegade 2 points ago +2 / -0

I'm saying that with the knowledge we have about it in hindsight, it sets off a lot of the same BS detectors. Up to and including vague, dramatic speeches before the UN.

If we know and accept that American/Western politicians are (at best) deceitful and crooked, why does it then follow that Russian politicians are upright and honest?

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bubble_bursts [S] -1 points ago +1 / -2

If we know and accept that American/Western politicians are (at best) deceitful and crooked, why does it then follow that Russian politicians are upright and honest?

For the simple reason that they could have chosen America's path, played their part with the Cabal and been cosy and comfy forever. This is where pretended to head to, with the "Russia Reset" and U1 deal under Obama. When the Cabal found out they were only pretending, thats when the "Reset" got reset and Putin became Hitler.

Now they are standing up against the Cabal and half the world is against them. I was just hoping at least our Anons will not be one of those.

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TrueRenegade 2 points ago +2 / -0

When the Cabal found out they were only pretending, thats when the "Reset" got reset and Putin became Hitler.

Now they are standing up against the Cabal and half the world is against them.

Yeah, sure they were "just pretending." Ever heard of the notion of "controlled conflict" on the part of the cabal? Like how Germany was never actually supposed to "win" either time, but the conflicts were considered to be catalysts for a new (world) order?

Finally, how on God's green earth is it not remarked more upon that the Nomenklatura and Siloviki in the "ex-"Soviet Union are...literally, by definition, a deep state?!

I was just hoping at least our Anons will not be one of those.

I'm for liberty. I'm not taking it for granted anymore. Any "leader," be they Pedo Joe/Hoebama, Justin Castro in Canada, BoJo in the UK, Manny Macron in France, Scholz in Germany, ScoMo in Australia, horse-face Baphomet Cindy in NZ, Puty-Poot and Xi, who's against liberty, I'm against them.

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bubble_bursts [S] 0 points ago +1 / -1

So with your logic, what makes you think that Trump and Q are not part of the "controlled conflict" ?

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Retaining_H2O 3 points ago +3 / -0

Do the American intelligence officers get a vote on this "elimination"?

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bubble_bursts [S] 3 points ago +3 / -0

Has anyone seen Brennan or Clapper? Would love to hear that they are the two ex intel officers!

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Datadude 8 points ago +8 / -0

LOL, don't toy with our emotions that way.

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Tim_Drake 0 points ago +1 / -1

Yes, with their firearms. Unfortunately for them, spooks usually aren't trained and combat experienced Soldiers and it won't end up working out too well for them.

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Datadude 3 points ago +3 / -0

I guess they just glossed over that part of the retirement plan. I wonder if said parties were committed to the cause or just following orders. No disgrace in believing in something so much your willing to die for it. I fail to see any honor in being a prostitute without principal for sale to the highest bidder.

From the 40 thousand foot view, looks to me like they made a poor bargain.

Fools, Damn Fools, and Fu€¥ing Idiots. Time with tell.

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Bedminster 2 points ago +2 / -0

My guess is Russia won't find and NATO personnel because Azov's will kill all of them before a final battle. I assume these US spooks and the rest are already dead since all rescue attempts have failed.

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bubble_bursts [S] 6 points ago +6 / -0

They call that lab "The Hole" and supposedly they conduct human experimentation.