Ukrainian narrative = Russian ship sank due to Ukrainian missile(s); crew lost at sea
Russian narrative = Russian ship had an accident on board and caught fire; the ship was evacuated and towed to port; while being towed to port, a storm sank the ship
Which story is closer to the truth? I have no idea.
This seems to be the reason for the claim that the sailors were lost at sea:
At a farewell ceremony for the sunken ship, however, journalists noticed that a memorial ribbon displayed during the event was inscribed, “To the ship and its sailors.”
Seems like a flimsy thing to make such a claim.
In the next sentence, it says:
The next day, Russia’s Defense Ministry published footage of a meeting between the Moskva’s crew and Navy commander-in-chief Admiral Nikolai Yevmenov. Reporters at The Insider determined that roughly 100 sailors appear in the video.
Seems like they are alive, after all, unless this is propaganda of some sort.
Then again, there are some other sources of info in that article from people who claim to have relatives who are still missing. But just a handful. That seems more like an explosion on board, rather than a missile attack that put the ship at the bottom of the Black Sea.
Would be nice if some reporter did some ... jouralism ... and find out if there was actually a storm in the region at that time.
This is just the first article that came up in my search, and I don't take it as gospel, but it's a place to start.
If I am in a military operation, and the other side sinks my ship with a missile ... then my response is to blast the FUCK out of wherever that missile came from.
I don't see any stories about that.
Does Russia still have ships in the region? Do they seem AT ALL concerned about another "missile strike?" If no, then that answers who is telling the truth.
Anyway ... nothing about it being a British ship in that article.
Since the claim was made, but nobody can cite any source for it, I assume it is probably not true.
I don't trust Putin, but I do trust that Putin has enemies that are the same people who are also enemies of the free world.
Have you read the speech he gave just prior to this miltary operation?
I know for sure you didn't see anything about it in the fake news media.
But it is worth a read.
When he talks about what has happened since 2014, it sounds exactly like what the globalist criminal mafia want to force onto the entire world, with Ukraine being the test case.
I watched the speech (with subtitles) and, later, read the speech.
In asymmetric warfare, in which disinformation is necessary, trust no one. Everyone and everything they say must be scrutinized and measured against their actions.
Agreed. However, that does not mean we throw up our hands and walk away because we can't know 100% for sure about the whole thing.
We can still evaluate certain specific claims. Either there was a coup in Ukraine in 2014 to overthrow the duly-elected government, or not. Turns out, there was. Plenty of resources to verify that out there.
Either that coup was funded by the US/CIA or not. If not, then funded by whom? Certainly, someone joined at the hip with US/CIA.
Either Putin's history lesson in his speech is more or less accurate, or not. Could be that he was making a lot of interpretations favorable to his case there, but the claims that US/NATO have been progressively encroaching towards Russia, while constantly lying and saying otherwise, is obviously true.
The weight of evidence tends to favor Putin's claims, and not the US's/CIA's/Fake News Media's claims. That doesn't mean he is 100% in the right, but it does mean that the US/CIA/Fake News Media is not.
Yeah, no. Russia is running a purely humanitarian mission. The ship at the bottom of the Black Sea was British.
Any sauce on that?
I didn't see anything with a quick search.
Search, Russia towed the ship back to port. There is your answer.
I just pulled up an article. Looks to me like:
Ukrainian narrative = Russian ship sank due to Ukrainian missile(s); crew lost at sea
Russian narrative = Russian ship had an accident on board and caught fire; the ship was evacuated and towed to port; while being towed to port, a storm sank the ship
Which story is closer to the truth? I have no idea.
This seems to be the reason for the claim that the sailors were lost at sea:
Seems like a flimsy thing to make such a claim.
In the next sentence, it says:
Seems like they are alive, after all, unless this is propaganda of some sort.
Then again, there are some other sources of info in that article from people who claim to have relatives who are still missing. But just a handful. That seems more like an explosion on board, rather than a missile attack that put the ship at the bottom of the Black Sea.
Would be nice if some reporter did some ... jouralism ... and find out if there was actually a storm in the region at that time.
This is just the first article that came up in my search, and I don't take it as gospel, but it's a place to start.
https://meduza.io/en/feature/2022/04/18/at-least-thirty-seven-dead
I'm thinking ...
If I am in a military operation, and the other side sinks my ship with a missile ... then my response is to blast the FUCK out of wherever that missile came from.
I don't see any stories about that.
Does Russia still have ships in the region? Do they seem AT ALL concerned about another "missile strike?" If no, then that answers who is telling the truth.
Anyway ... nothing about it being a British ship in that article.
Since the claim was made, but nobody can cite any source for it, I assume it is probably not true.
Extraordinary claims require extraordinary proof.
https://www.google.com/amp/s/tass.com/defense/1441959/amp
Russian news says that it sank while being towed.
Me either.
Sure...Putin has a storied history of being a KGB humanitarian.
Like him more than you.
But please, lecture us more. It's quite convincing lol.
Yes...Putin is definitely more likable than me, for sure. 🐸
I don't trust Putin, but I do trust that Putin has enemies that are the same people who are also enemies of the free world.
Have you read the speech he gave just prior to this miltary operation?
I know for sure you didn't see anything about it in the fake news media.
But it is worth a read.
When he talks about what has happened since 2014, it sounds exactly like what the globalist criminal mafia want to force onto the entire world, with Ukraine being the test case.
https://www.riotimesonline.com/brazil-news/modern-day-censorship/president-putins-full-text-of-february-21-2022-speech-to-the-nation/
I watched the speech (with subtitles) and, later, read the speech.
In asymmetric warfare, in which disinformation is necessary, trust no one. Everyone and everything they say must be scrutinized and measured against their actions.
Agreed. However, that does not mean we throw up our hands and walk away because we can't know 100% for sure about the whole thing.
We can still evaluate certain specific claims. Either there was a coup in Ukraine in 2014 to overthrow the duly-elected government, or not. Turns out, there was. Plenty of resources to verify that out there.
Either that coup was funded by the US/CIA or not. If not, then funded by whom? Certainly, someone joined at the hip with US/CIA.
Either Putin's history lesson in his speech is more or less accurate, or not. Could be that he was making a lot of interpretations favorable to his case there, but the claims that US/NATO have been progressively encroaching towards Russia, while constantly lying and saying otherwise, is obviously true.
The weight of evidence tends to favor Putin's claims, and not the US's/CIA's/Fake News Media's claims. That doesn't mean he is 100% in the right, but it does mean that the US/CIA/Fake News Media is not.
Discernment, Pede.