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posted ago by MikelovesTrump ago by MikelovesTrump +68 / -3

Until after the mid terms. If the 2020 election was overturned and Trump reinstated it wouldn’t be a week until the D party had impeached Trump and kicked him out of office. The mid terms have to be won for anything to happen.

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Slyver 13 points ago +13 / -0

I don't know. I think a lot more has to happen before we are ready for that. I REALLY don't think Trump will be in the White House before we hit the precipice, and I don't think that is going to happen for a while yet. While things have accelerated, and it's not my show, we have a long ways to go I think.

Besides, Trump can't come "save the day." If he does, my suspicions go up massively. We The People must save ourselves or the GA can't happen. That is fundamental. We must learn about our own power, our sovereignty; that we are the kings and queens of our own lives. Specific to this topic, we must learn our power over government. The government is not our sovereign. We are our sovereign, the government is our servant That is the biggest first lesson. (But far from the last.)

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Narg 4 points ago +4 / -0

You could be right, Slyver (about "a lot more has to happen before" things get better), although I hope you're not. I certainly can't argue with this: more of us must understand "that we are the kings and queens of our own lives." -- nice wording, btw.

But not EVERYONE needs to be that awake. For that matter, everyone never will be. Everyone in the Colonies didn't understand or support real freedom; far from it. And I believe we're almost close enough to start the endgame, at least here in America.

Besides, Trump can't come "save the day." If he does, my suspicions go up massively. We The People must save ourselves or the GA can't happen.

Trump already "saved the day" once, in his first term. He turned things around in a hundred ways, did things (in North Korea for just in example) that no one thought could EVER happen, and caused huge positive change despite being sandbagged and outright betrayed every step of the way, by nearly every large organization (government, corporate, media, special-interests of many types).

It didn't happen instantly and we saw what was being done (some of it) to cause the improvements -- there was a level of transparency; Trump's improvements weren't parlor tricks. They weren't part of some controlled opposition scheme. We also saw the corrupt and vile among us fighting against Trump's actions, with clear desperation in their actions.

SOME things CAN ONLY BE DONE by the President and Commander in Chief. The People across this nation must do (and increasingly ARE DOING) their part, but they can't do it all. The President (and Governors and others in office at various levels) must also be a part of this.

WE THE PEOPLE are already cleaning up local school boards and other state and local governing bodies of various kinds. Patriotic Americans are and always HAVE BEEN the majority in this country. People are waking up to grooming, to the malicious control of "experts" in many areas, to the corruption of politicians (even more aware than they were before), to the economic, health, and political harm caused by the fake "pandemic", and to much more.

If WE also take back the House and strengthen our control of the Senate in November, I believe we'll see a dramatic acceleration of MAGA action. If the two-year time period I've seen mentioned (but haven't researched, so don't know if it's real) required for Trump to both finish his 2020 term in the White House AND legally run in 2024 is accurate, that would put January 20 2023 as a likely possible date for Trump's return.

That could all be hopium, but I really don't believe we need to see America destroyed any more than it already has been. Millions dead or badly injured from the "vax" already; a huge percentage of small businesses bankrupted and shuttered with more being forced out of business daily; millions of children emotionally harmed by lockdowns, school closures, masks, vile propaganda in place of actual schooling; supply chains wrecked, etc. etc. It may be necessary to make this all worse, but I honestly don't think so.

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Slyver 3 points ago +3 / -0

Trump already "saved the day" once, in his first term. He turned things around in a hundred ways

What I meant was, appear to save the day. Trump can't be "a savior" to the populace. I'm not talking about what's happening behind the scenes.

We must stand up for ourselves. It is an essential step.

If WE also take back the House and strengthen our control of the Senate in November, I believe we'll see a dramatic acceleration of MAGA action.

I don't think you appreciate what has to happen.

really don't believe we need to see America destroyed any more than it already has been

"America" is a fraud. Government (as we conceive of it right now) is a fraud. The entire concept that we have of government is designed to keep us from understanding Reality, who we are, and our place within it.

Government is a social contract. We individually agree to not infringe on each other's Rights. If we do infringe directly on each others Rights we agree to be held accountable to the larger society. In exchange for that agreement, we receive the same courtesy in return. We do NOT HAVE TO agree to the Social Contract. In such a case a person would not be a member of Society, and that's OK. They would instead be subject to Natural Law (which is a whole other can of worms). Regardless, all of our Inalienable Rights are appreciated by that Social Contract.

That is all the government we need. Every other part of government is a fraud designed to infringe on the Rights of the individual. If we need "infrastructure," we can come together and build it. If we need "common defense," we can come together and defend our homes. We do NOT need a government to cover those tasks. All Fuckery extends from the lie that we need some "organization" to do those things. It's completely unnecessary.

There is NO SUCH THING as a "greater good." The entire concept is a fraud. Thus, we don't need any organization that works for it.

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Narg 2 points ago +2 / -0

I agree with you entirely on this:

"America" is a fraud. Government (as we conceive of it right now) is a fraud. The entire concept that we have of government is designed to keep us from understanding Reality, who we are, and our place within it.

I'm an abolitionist. As I've said in many of my posts and comments, I fully agree with Thoreau's comment in Civil Disobedience that "That government is best, which governs not at all." Abolishing forcible government is the only way to have a civil society; anything less is tyranny and will, without fail, degrade into deeper tyranny as time goes on.

I often recommend The Market for Liberty as a good place to start, for people interested in the idea of abolitionism (or voluntaryism, or whatever you want to call it). You clearly don't need that book (although you might enjoy it -- or have already read it).

Where we differ is how to get there. Throughout history, I see little support for the idea that complete destruction of a society leads to greater liberty. It can certainly lead to smaller government but not to a civil society. There have been free societies (on Greenland for several centuries, for instance) and in some but not all America Indian tribes -- the Colonists got interested in something approaching real Liberty after interacting with Indians in the New World; see The Dawn of Everything: A New History of Humanity by Graeber and Wengrow for more.

I see a difference between being at the precipice and going over the precipice. Being AT the precipice will wake people up, frighten them, give them motivation and courage to dismantle much of the tyranny and hunt down and insist on bringing justice to the corrupt. It will change thought and behavior patterns, and in the process -- and over time (a few years? longer?) society here will become more real. But as you've surely noticed, almost everyone here -- HERE, at the Great Awakening! -- believes we need the Constitution and most of the corruption (federal agencies and various encroachments on liberty) that have grown from it.

If we can remove most of the corrupt influence of the Cabal (that will be trying to move us back into MORE tyranny), and if The People (including but not limited to the high-influence White Hats) can keep the pressure on to eliminate sources of coercive Power (Lord of the Rings is SUCH an amazing gift to humanity) and replace them with contracts where necessary and with healthy culture and proper child-rearing in the main, then I believe we can have a truly healthy society where initiated coercion is simply not tolerated, while defensive use of force is understood to be necessary sometimes and must therefore be ready to deploy when required.

Going OVER the precipice (the fall of the Soviet Union, the Weimar Republic's swift and dramatic end, etc) hasn't, in the past, created the liberty I'm hoping for.

A completely wrecked society isn't going to become a paradise of liberty and brotherhood, and if that's actually the Plan then I think we're in for a rude awakening. But we're well into the process of waking people up to the NEED for less corruption and coercion and I'm thinking that enough people are already sufficiently awake to support the next phase. Bring on Durham, bring on the Tribunals, bring on the EO-supported confiscations of wealth and of power centers -- bring it on NOW, or very soon, before everything positive in Western Civilization has been burned to the ground. Then we can move, at whatever speed works well, towards a culture and a society of liberty.

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Slyver 2 points ago +2 / -0

I guess it sounded like I was attempting to push us over the precipice. I didn't mean to say that. I agree that it will take time to go from where we are now, to recognizing, as a species, the inevitable appreciation of our sovereignty. Especially after God alone knows how long that understanding has been suppressed.

Once the first veil is revealed to the masses however, the debate process will begin in earnest on a population level. In the examples you gave, those populations were controlled to the most minute detail by exactly the same oppressors that hold this understanding in obfuscation today. There was no chance at an Awakening at the time for those people. This will be a planet wide reveal of The Matrix. From that lifting of the veil, knowledge will pour in so fast it will make... well, it will make your head spin (and everyone else's). It will be a planet wide scene from the Exorcist!

It is only a lack of understanding that gives the PTB the ability to commit these social scale frauds. I assert understanding will occur very quickly. We are already building parallel systems to handle a collapse (e.g. Gamestop's NFTs for a new economic system, Truth Social, Musk's Twitter for new free forms of communication).

With new seemingly organic systems already in place (it's very important that it appears organic, even though they are contrived), along with no restrictions on the sharing of knowledge, and no "trust" (AKA programming) that prohibits people from looking in earnest at evidence contrary to prior beliefs, I assert it will not take long to go from nothing to a true Golden Age.

Not to say I think it won't take time, It's not going to happen overnight. Knowledge takes time to process, even if its freely available and heard. But I think it's a matter of few years. I don't think the actual process of dismantling the government and creating a completely new world will take long once the understanding reaches critical mass.

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Narg 2 points ago +2 / -0

Thanks. I really enjoyed the conversation. I hope the Golden Age we're both envisioning happens in our lifetimes. Even if not, even if we only make progress in that direction, what a time to be alive!

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libtards_r_stoopid 3 points ago +3 / -0

I think everyone underestimates how close were are to the precipice. I think the financial shits about to go down soon. I can see OP's theory of after the midterms but I could also see it happening before.

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Slyver 2 points ago +2 / -0

I do not think a financial collapse will be the "precipice." People must find the will to change, not just be afraid.

Perhaps you are right, maybe the world is sufficiently primed, but I think we need to come face to face with famine and possibly nuclear war, with clear evidence that the government is to blame for it. I think that's going to take a little more time.

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libtards_r_stoopid 3 points ago +3 / -0

The financial system is definitely part of the precipice. But war, shortages, famine are also part of it.

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Slyver 3 points ago +3 / -0

This was what I was trying to say, but I guess I wasn't explicit enough. In other words, you will get no argument from me on this statement.

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libtards_r_stoopid 1 point ago +1 / -0

Right on fren

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ITOLDYOUSO 2 points ago +2 / -0

Sadly people aren't waking up. Even with all that has happened many people still want a woke utopia where the government does their thinking for them. These people still believe the legacy media. There won't be any change until the media is dismantled.

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Magpi 6 points ago +6 / -0

Somebody here said that he can't come back prior to Jan 2023 because then this term counts as a full term, whereas after Jan 2023 he gets to finish this term AND have another.

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ridge3z 1 point ago +1 / -0

The overturning of the 2020 elections was obviously very unlikely by the middle of last year. Over the longer term, within a decade, much will be revealed and it will reduce the Democratic Party into being ineffectual and cause the Democratic Party to splinter.

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trump4evr17 0 points ago +3 / -3

God has fooled us I honestly thought last year was the spring summer fall and glorious Christmas Kim Clements talked about but the winter was dark(personally) spring has sprung and look at the habbenings the summer will be hot! But come fall oh come fall and Christmas this year shall be glorious for all Gods children at least that's what I believe God Bless you all

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Queef_Anon 2 points ago +2 / -0

You've just been snared by a false gospel is all.

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trump4evr17 -2 points ago +1 / -3

Enlighten me with thy wisdom oh troll of the left

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LBTrumplican2 1 point ago +2 / -1

Yes, Trump will be back in the Fall, according to Kim Clement. https://youtu.be/1bZJjOVICFU?t=440

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Hope70 3 points ago +3 / -0

You could consider his prophecy a comeback of sorts via the winning of Congressional seats endorsed by Trump. Then a massive dump of all the election fraud occurs after the midterms and a Trump is rightfully placed in office in January 2023, runs again in 2024. Kim Clement’s prophesies occurred several years prior to the actual occurrences, so I do believe he was enlightened as the vessel of our Father.

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trump4evr17 2 points ago +2 / -0

I have watched trey smiths video on Kim clement few times