Sometime during the day of Pentecost, in the year 2024, a great shout is heard from the clouds. A worldwide shout. Suddenly, millions, if not billions of people are gone, vanished. An office worker looks into an adjacent cubicle, to ask his coworker what that was, and finds that the coworker is not there. He was there just a second ago. A guy riding in the backseat of an Uber, driver vanishes, nothing remains on the front seat but the driver's copy of the King James Bible. Luckily, the fare is able to climb in the front seat and steer the car to safety. And so on.
For the rest of the day, panic and mass hysteria set in. People flood the internet trying to find out what happened. Speculation begins. People begin to ask, "was that the rapture?" Other people answer by saying "it can't be the rapture because all the roman catholics are still here." (if you think Trump is several moves ahead in the chess game, wait until you see where satan is at.) The pope makes a special announcement from the vatican and guess what it is; It was aliens and we have made contact with them.
(All the recent news about aliens making sense now?)
Many are not deceived and start speaking out "my bruh was all about Jesus Christ, he never worshipped any idols, only confessed his sins to Christ and now he's gone, without a trace." But people do not hear or believe this witness, the Holy Spirit was taken out of the world with the Body of Christ, and now the antiChrist is no longer restrained (2 Thessalonians 2:7.) Great lying signs and wonders are now in play (2 Thessalonians 2:9.) An alien arrives, from the sky, right on cue, to "save the world." He proclaims that "those people that were taken away were evil and now the world is a much better place" (Daniel 11:21.) "You can abort whatever you want, including your bitchy parents. Does your racist neighbor have more stuff than you? Then we'll kill him and you can have it all." Covenants are made with the antiChrist and all the deceived will worship his image and take the mark of the beast.
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No rapture as this states. Without the holy spirit there is no truth, no conviction of sin, righteousness, or judgment.
But when he, the Spirit of truth, comes, he will guide you into all truth. He will not speak on his own; he will speak only what he hears, and he will tell you what is yet to come.
Why does Satan need to preside over a kingdom of unbelievers? He is coming to fool Christians. Remember the 10 virgins. They were all virgins...5 wise and 5 foolish.
Yes supernatural beings will appear on this earth, but Christians will be here
That is anti-Biblical.
But when he, the Spirit of truth, comes, he will guide you into all truth.
Acts 2:4 KJV And they were all filled with the Holy Ghost, and began to speak with other tongues, as the Spirit gave them utterance.
He is already here, to gather the Body of Christ and to restrain the son of perdition.
Acts 2:16 KJV But this is that which was spoken by the prophet Joel; Joel 2:28 And it shall come to pass afterward, that I will pour out my spirit upon all flesh; and your sons and your daughters shall prophesy, your old men shall dream dreams, your young men shall see visions:
Already come to pass.
Why does Satan need to preside over a kingdom of unbelievers?
Isaiah 1:15 KJV And when ye spread forth your hands, I will hide mine eyes from you: yea, when ye make many prayers, I will not hear: your hands are full of blood. 19 If ye be willing and obedient, ye shall eat the good of the land: 20 But if ye refuse and rebel, ye shall be devoured with the sword: for the mouth of the LORD hath spoken it.
It will be a time of choice for the unbelievers. They will put aside atheism and false religions and call on the One True and Holy God, or they will placed in the smoking section.
Remember the 10 virgins
And the cry went out at midnight. And the Bridegroom cometh, for His Bride. The foolish ones were, um, left behind.
I agree with your scriptures but not in the context.
If the spirit of truth is taken out of the earth as you said, then those left behind have no chance of salvation.
The spirit of God confirmed Jesus. The Spirit of God empowers. The spirit of God convinces.
Without God's spirit in the earth, it would be hell..a place of death.
Do you think that without christ that anyone on earth would have any chance of overcoming this spirit of delusion? They would not. Whatever truth they had heard would be snatched away.
Satan shows up in the TEMPLE of God How can Satan show up in a temple that is not here?
3Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition; 4Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God.
16Know ye not that ye are the temple of God, and that the Spirit of God dwelleth in you? 17If any man defile the temple of God, him shall God destroy; for the temple of God is holy, which temple ye are.
The bridegroom gathers his true bride and the door is shut after the tribulation of Satan.
Then comes the thousand years of teaching.
The days of tribulation are like the days of Noah. The wicked were taken and the righteous safe and protected in the ark of God which is pitched with redemption. Like the light of Goshen, God's children have THE LIGHT in their dwellings.
If the spirit of truth is taken out of the earth as you said, then those left behind have no chance of salvation.
Revelation 9:21 KJV Neither repented they of their murders, nor of their sorceries, nor of their fornication, nor of their thefts.
They are given a chance to repent.
The spirit of God confirmed Jesus. The Spirit of God empowers. The spirit of God convinces.
The whole entire purpose of the tribulation is to restore the nation of Israel. Read carefully the prophecies of the Old Testament. Salvation reverts back to faith and works. The age of grace, faith alone, ends with the removal of the Holy Spirit.
Satan shows up in the TEMPLE of God How can Satan show up in a temple that is not here?
The scripture says "holy place," not "temple." The scriptures also prophecies of the 3rd Temple coming down from Heaven.
3 Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come,
Taken from the previous chapter, is this
2 Thessalonians 1:6 KJV Seeing it is a righteous thing with God to recompense tribulation to them that trouble you;
Notice how the tribulation is for others?
16 Know ye not that ye are the temple of God, and that the Spirit of God dwelleth in you?
This is Church Age scripture, taken from Corinthians, addressed to believers.
The bridegroom gathers his true bride and the door is shut after the tribulation of Satan.
The door is shut at the beginning of the marriage supper, all are welcome to attend until then. After this, the celebration in Heaven begins
Revelation 5 KJV 9 And they sung a new song, saying, Thou art worthy to take the book, and to open the seals thereof: for thou wast slain, and hast redeemed us to God by thy blood out of every kindred, and tongue, and people, and nation;
The redeemed, already in Heaven.
Then comes the thousand years of teaching.
Revelation 1:6 KJV And hath made us kings and priests unto God and his Father; to him be glory and dominion for ever and ever. Amen.
Why are believers made Kings and Priests? At the very beginning of Revelation? Guess who will be teaching, and ruling over cities.
The wicked were taken and the righteous safe and protected in the ark of God
Actually, the righteous were taken and the wicked were drowned out. This is a prophecy of the end. The believers are taken out to safety and the wicked get burned up.
Before I reply to your scriptures I want to say I appreciate your willingness to discuss
I like the orderliness of your posts. I will try to separate out the answers also
Who is Israel? The land of Israel? The people of Israel? Or those called Jews? Or those who practice the Jewish religion? Or have 10 of the tribes been lost to memory- and forgotten who they are?
Repentance cannot happen if there is no Spirit of God. This is a crucial point. If the Holy spirit is taken out of the earth then there is no Light.
Then one of the elders addressed me, saying, “Who are these, clothed in white robes, and from where have they come?” 14 I said to him, “Sir, you know.” And he said to me, “These are the ones coming out of the great tribulation. They have washed their robes and lmade them white in the blood of the Lamb.
There are from every people, tribe, tongue, nation. ( So who are these?)
What is the criteria for entering the kingdom of God?
"I tell you the truth, no one can see the kingdom of God unless he is born again."
How is one born again?
"Truly, truly, I say to you, unless one is born of water and the Spirit, he cannot enter the kingdom of God. 6 That which is born of the flesh is flesh, and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit."
Without God's Spirit you cannot be born again.
Sounds feasible and Biblical! I can't believe how many people never talk about or discuss Matthew 24! GOD himself walking this earth and sacrificing HIMSELF for our sins and then nobody ever brings up Matthew 24, but will always get into the Thessalonian's argument about we're not to suffer GOD's Wrath, etc. Even Paul states don't be fooled you won't even see any of this until the man of perdition is revealed. Back to Matthew 24: "The Coming of the Son of Man
29 “Immediately after the tribulation of those days the sun will be darkened, and the moon will not give its light; the stars will fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens will be shaken. 30 Then the sign of the Son of Man will appear in heaven, and then all the tribes of the earth will mourn, and they will see the Son of Man coming on the clouds of heaven with power and great glory. 31 And He will send His angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they will gather together His [d]elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.
Matthew 24 as spoken to the nation of Israel. Not to the church, it is tribulation scripture. The key verses are
38 For as in the days that were before the flood they were eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage, until the day that Noe entered into the ark, 39 And knew not until the flood came, and took them all away; so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.
Noah, and his seed, were righteous in all ways.
They were rescued from the flood.
The rest of humanity partied on until the flood came.
This passage is a type of the pre tribulation rapture.
Believers in Christ are righteous in the blood of Christ.
They will be taken up into Heaven before the wrath begins (not appointed to wrath.)
The wrath will then commence.
Sons and Heirs: Galatians 3: 26-29
26 For you are all sons of God through faith in Christ Jesus. 27 For as many of you as were baptized into Christ have put on Christ. 28 There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither slave nor free, there is neither male nor female; for you are all one in Christ Jesus. 29 And if you are Christ’s, then you are Abraham’s seed, and heirs according to the promise.
Romans 2:11-16 but in particular 11 For there is no respect of persons with God. and 16 In the day when God shall judge the secrets of men by Jesus Christ according to my gospel.
Tribulation is for everyone and the Tribulation is not GOD's Wrath it's the time the false Messiah is trying to set up his kingdom, prior to GOD's Wrath!
28 There is neither Jew nor Greek,
During the church age, this is all true. ANYONE can be saved by confessing of Jesus Christ. Those who do become the Body of Christ;
1 Corinthians 12:12 KJV For as the body is one, and hath many members, and all the members of that one body, being many, are one body: so also is Christ.
This is also the Bride of Christ and, as all Bridegrooms would, He protects her from troublesome times.
16 In the day when God shall judge the secrets of men by Jesus Christ according to my gospel.
This is the great White Throne judgement. The books will be opened and sinners will be judged by them (the Word.) The sins of believers are washed away in the blood of Christ. Our works will be tried in the fire to judge their worth (the Judgement Seat of Christ) but our sins are already forgiven.
it's the time the false Messiah is trying to set up his kingdom, prior to GOD's Wrath!
This is a valid point, the timing of it. I believe the first seal is the antiChrist, being let loose to conquer. Riding a white horse as the fake Christ. But either way you see it, believers are gone before the first seal is opened.
I also appreciate the discussion. Believe in Christ is the key to Heaven, how we get there is the riddle.
I forgot to add, the oil is a type of the Holy Spirit and the lamp is a type of your soul. Keep it filled, don't be foolish.
Keep your lamp filled with the truth of God's word or you won't be able to discern the Holy from the profane.
u/Tazzurit
Amazingly enough, I just watched this 6 day old youtube sermon and it is packed full of good teaching, including information about the current plans to rebuild the 3rd temple
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gr9Vqh0oDOE
Thank you. I am always interested in this type research.
Oh and thank you also for the digging. I learned more than I set out to learn lol. Something I had been confused and uncertain about well clarity happened while looking at our topic and it really had nothing to do with the topic! Our Father works that way sometimes😁.
2024? Why are you thinking it won't be 2022?
Jesus died in 31AD, if you subtract 7 years for the tribulation, that gives you 2024. Exactly 2,000 years for His Return to Earth (2024 is the meeting the church in the air, 2031 is standing on Mount Zion.)
2022 - 3 2s...Suggests the 2nd arrival on Earth. First generation that "SEES ALL THINGS"
u/Tazzurit - This reply is to your last comments below. GAW is acting strange today, it won't let me reply directly.
Before Christ salvation was obtained by faith and works. The nation of Israel clearly rejected the Messiah, not just at His first Advent but also through the preaching of the Apostles
Acts 7 KJV 56 And said, Behold, I see the heavens opened, and the Son of man standing on the right hand of God. 57 Then they cried out with a loud voice, and stopped their ears, and ran upon him with one accord, 58 And cast him out of the city, and stoned him
God set aside His plan for the nation of Israel and turned His attention to the gentiles
Romans 11:25 KJV For I would not, brethren, that ye should be ignorant of this mystery, lest ye should be wise in your own conceits; that blindness in part is happened to Israel, until the fulness of the Gentiles be come in.
This is also mirrored in Matthew 24
14 And this gospel of the kingdom shall be preached in all the world for a witness unto all nations; and then shall the end come.
During this dispensation, the age of Grace, the nation of Israel is in what is called the Diaspora, or dispersion. To answer your question, the seed of Abraham was made a everlasting Covenant and it will be fulfilled, at the end. I have no idea how to identify this seed but God does.
Ezekiel 11:17 KJV Therefore say, Thus saith the Lord GOD; I will even gather you from the people, and assemble you out of the countries where ye have been scattered, and I will give you the land of Israel.
This is upon Christs return
Obadiah KJV 17 But upon mount Zion shall be deliverance, and there shall be holiness; and the house of Jacob shall possess their possessions.
This is a separate salvation from that of the church. It is clear that we are of the Body of Christ and are given Heavenly rewards, not earthly rewards.
U/Andy_Man45. Thank you. I really enjoy researching, digging, and having clarity.
I agree with your statement on Ezekiel 11.
I do not agree that God set aside His plans (I know you meant just for a period of time) for Israel and turned his attention to the Gentiles. Well, to clarify, I agree in part.
Jesus said very clearly this: Matt: 15:24 "I was not sent except to the lost sheep of the house of Israel".
Well isn't salvation open to all? Of course. God loves ALL His children. Jesus wanted His Word to be spread through all nations-this happened through His disciples and apostles. His mission was to redeem Israel and through them, the world. Though there are examples of Jesus word and miracles being given to Gentiles.
An example on a different level would be Q to anons, to patriots, to normies (if you will) and even liberals if they will listen1😁.
So the apostle Paul was sent to the Gentiles. Paul was set aside to preach to the Gentiles (nations) and their kings...Acts 9:15
Now we have James chapter 1. James a servant of God and of the Lord Jesus Christian, to the twelve tribes scattered abroad, greetings.
What?! Scattered abroad. Greetings?!
Where did they go? They went North and they went west... (a topic for another day).
Weren't the apostles of the tribes of Israel? Yes they were. What did they then become? Christians. Who are they now? Or most of them? Christians. Many lost tribes followed paganism they learned in captivity and many now are Christians.
Now to the rapture. In condensed format
I Th 4:14 those that died in the flesh, will return with Jesus at the second advent when He comes with ten thousands of saints. The cloud if witnesses(They are those saints)
Second advent of Christ: The righteous of the tribulation gather with those that previously "died" as Christ returns. We can't prevent or precede those that died,, since they have been with Him.
When Jesus returns,, in a twinkling of an eye our flesh bodies change to spiritual bodies. The "dead" already have spiritual bodies. We are "caught up" seized from Satan's grasp. We meet him in the air-Air as spirit or breath of life.
There is more to say but this is already long.
The whole point is Jesus second advent will reunite the the family of God. The saints in heaven will be joined with the saints on earth. Jesus will destroy the reign of antichrist when He returns.
Our position or mission is to be that instrument that speaks God's Word and be a witness of the truth during the deception of antichrist.
The tribulation of antichrist is so great and there has been nothing like it. WHY? because it is a tribulation of deception. This world has seen mass murders, tortures, famine, disease but it has NEVER seen a war like this DECEPTION.
We see that going on now. This is even greater. Satan comes as an angel of ligjt.
this is why we are to put on the whole Armour of God.
This is a great scenario, and it's been refined since at least the 70s into a robust possibility. The one thing missing is that the satan is playing more dimensions than we can see. Because he doesn't know for sure whether this pretribulation scenario is the correct one that God will use. That means that just in case God invokes a pretribulation rapture, the devil is ready with this narrative. But just in case God doesn't invoke it and something else happens, the devil has a thousand other narratives in the works too. And yet God will defeat them all.
God has cleverly grown his believers into large numbers even while they haven't known all the details of the future game as a certainty. God has said enough to give the outline but has left several questions unsettled, where his people honestly come to different opinions on the subject. The reason for this is in part to confuse the devil and keep him guessing too.
So if it should happen that Bible folks disappear, many Catholics remain, and an alien savior appears from the sky, well, we've done what we can to leave warnings for the people "left behind". But that's not the only line of the game that I'm playing! If it should happen that other signs appear before the rapture (notably the brief nuclear war between Israel and the Russia-Iran axis), we've done what we can to prepare for that too. Because if God doesn't rapture everyone out and if the devil pulls out all the stops (iniquity reaching fullness), the devil is smart enough to recalibrate the alien narrative for a later event. "The devil is come down unto you, having great wrath, because he knoweth that he hath but a short time."
Yes, and you made a very important distinction; the difference between God's wrath and satan's wrath. But, I am "betting my money" on the Holy Spirit, what He has been given He shall lose nothing (the Words of Jesus Christ.) I can promise you that the Laodicean church is not built to withstand torture, it's gonna have to be drug across the finish line and into Heaven.
There aren't any...well besides the southern border variety.
Disinformation is necessary... maybe Q floating aliens gave the cabal the idea to use them?
What does the Bible say about them?
Your question was, “what makes you say that?” Only u/munchaussen can answer that.
I was replying to your “Q seems to think otherwise” comment.
You need help
Yes, and thank God He sent Jesus Christ to do just that.