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Scorpion76 9 points ago +9 / -0

As best I can tell, all we have to allegedly confirm the SARS - COV 2 virus is an Insilco computer generated genome sequence uploaded to a Chinese database on the 12th Jan 2020.

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Gandiva [S] 8 points ago +9 / -1

That's exactly right. In other words, it's a scam.

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sunnyinvegas 9 points ago +9 / -0

I tend to agree with you

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Gandiva [S] 2 points ago +3 / -1

I like your skepticism. Now, go out and answer the question for yourself definitively, because the ultimate truth of the matter can only be yea or nay.

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Copperselectrons 8 points ago +8 / -0

Only 'they' can study & confirm them, and then the same elite minority create vaxes for them, and make lots of $ and gain lots of control. Knowing that the knowledge about them and solution comes from them, to the media, to us, my gosh nothing would shock me.

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Gandiva [S] 3 points ago +4 / -1

You got the routine down.

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ForgetMePls 7 points ago +7 / -0

Good thing I love to read!

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Jackdagger 7 points ago +7 / -0

There have been too many times in my life where I got sick strictly from those around me. Way too long to type but undeniable that something was contagious. I call bs on the virus not existing rabbit hole unless it is something like a virus but a different name.

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Gandiva [S] 4 points ago +5 / -1

Please do not confuse the idea of contagion with the idea of germs. They are two absolutely separate phenomena. Contagion by itself is not evidence for anything at all, other than that illness may sometimes (though certainly not necessarily) have a common origin. Though what such an origin is has never been convincingly demonstrated . . . not even once. So it's anybody's guess what it might be. Women living together synchronize their menstrual cycle, but we don't jump to the conclusion that some particle jumped from one to the other. When someone nearby yawns or laughs, we start to as well, but we haven't "caught" anything material.

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seeker3 5 points ago +5 / -0

Tobacco mosaic virus was the first.

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Datadude 2 points ago +2 / -0

What year? I've got a Rous sarcoma virus isolated tru filtration and used to infect chicken with cancers in 1911. Used in mass embro transfection in the 50ish.

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seeker3 3 points ago +3 / -0

Late nineteenth century

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Datadude 3 points ago +3 / -0

Although it was known from the late 19th century that a non-bacterial infectious disease was damaging tobacco crops, it was not until 1930 that the infectious agent was determined to be a virus. It is the first pathogen identified as a virus.

RSV was discovered in 1911 by Peyton Rous, working at Rockefeller University in New York City, by injecting cell free extract of chicken tumour into healthy Plymouth Rock chickens. The extract was found to induce oncogenesis. The tumour was found to be composed of connective tissue (a sarcoma).[1][2] Thus, RSV became known as the first oncogenic retrovirus that could be used to study the development of cancer molecularly

You got me beat, sounds like viruses have been around for awhile.

Good call,

Welcome friend.

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HELLOGITMO 4 points ago +4 / -0

The Bitchute vids you recommend currently have 44, 9, and 28 views respectively. As nice as the speakers' living room backdrops are, I'm not convinced just yet. Especially after you explained to me below that bacteria is not contagious.

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Isthisreallifee 4 points ago +5 / -1

Can this please be top sticky for couple days. This is the center piece of everything. Once people understand viruses are fake everything changes. And its so fucking simple.

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Gandiva [S] 3 points ago +4 / -1

An anon after my own heart.

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Scorp29 4 points ago +4 / -0

I remember hearing about an experiment that was conducted (maybe for the Spanish Flu?) where they had infected people cough into test subjects mouths and they also had infected sputum swabbed inside test subjects mouths and noses and not a single person contracted it. Makes you think!

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Gandiva [S] 3 points ago +4 / -1

Yes, those experiments took place. No matter how hard they tried, no one ever got sick.

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test_pattern 4 points ago +4 / -0

Let’s revisit this after they release Marburg.

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Gandiva [S] 0 points ago +1 / -1

Why not settle the question now? Then you'll know Marburg is just another scam. The reason why they still have to inject everyone to poison them is because transmissibility of a so-called virus is a scam. The old-fashioned way is still the only way to do it.

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test_pattern 2 points ago +3 / -1

You’ve obviously never treated a sick person.

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Gandiva [S] 0 points ago +1 / -1

No, I haven't, because I never get sick, because I know there are no viruses, and I don't willingly poison myself with the world's filth. And those I might have treated don't get sick either, because I've taught them that there are no viruses, and to not willingly poison themselves. Virus theory is a mental disease which we've all contracted, but which we are all able to recover from.

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test_pattern 1 point ago +2 / -1

Treating sick people is not a result of being sick. It’s a profession.

Funny thing is, sick people show up in the emergency room — hundreds a day, regardless of “beliefs.”

And your message is it’s all in their heads. You’d make a good establishment doctor.

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Gandiva [S] 0 points ago +1 / -1

This is not the sort of discussion that my original post was meant to stimulate. Where illness comes from is determined 100% by identifying its cause. A virus must first be identified, then it must be proven to cause an illness. Neither of these two facts has ever been established for any virus or any so-called viral disease. It says nothing of any other possible cause. The sources I cited in my original post were a way to begin investigating that claim. If you don't want to center the discussion on whether definitive proofs have been made to establish viruses as real and as causes of disease, then you've missed the whole point of my post. Not taking the virus question head on is the very reason I posted.

My words do not at all imply that (most) illness is in anyone's head. I directly stated that in general, it's caused by toxicity: in the food, the water, the air, the soil, and especially the pernicious, manmade food-like substances that I see most people's carts filled up with anytime I'm in a store. So that a great deal of this toxicity is, unfortunately, willingly internalized. The fact that people are given the scapegoat excuse that a foreign "pathogen" such as a virus is what causes their illness serves to bolster this willingness to accept toxicity in the way one lives, because it's the bogeyman lying in wait so that there's nothing anyone can do about it.

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test_pattern 2 points ago +3 / -1

Curious, your post says “it’s time for this community to confront this issue head on.” But you don’t want the premise of your theory confronted.

The idea that virus are really exosomes, and therefore “don’t exist” avoids the complex biogenesis and function of exosomes and related extracellular vesicles.

It’s a growing field of study that shows both positive and negative action; as “cargo carriers” and mediators of intercellular communication, they can carry a host of other products besides viral proteins and mRNA. Their role in immune response can either increase OR suppress viral infectivity.

Exosomes are produced by healthy cells too. Exercise produces exosomes that account for the cross-system benefits induced by exercise.

The “conspiracy” is how the science of exosomes makes manufacture of bioweapons more precise and easier to deny. Exosomes are basically nature’s lipid nanoparticle.

It totally correct to focus on the health of the microbiome and toxicity to avoid illness. But if you conclude that viral disease should be classified as illness of idiopathic origin, how do you account for the contagiousness? For example, when viral meningitis spreads through a preschool?

Wasn’t it clear that Trump and Melania were targeted with Covid in the debate at Cleveland Clinic?

Exosomes are produced naturally in plants also, and a great deal of biotech money is currently going into developing plant-based exosomes for drug and vaccine delivery. Don’t you think that’s the looming threat?

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TheJake 3 points ago +3 / -0

Kinda like super secret "nuclear" material.

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Gandiva [S] 0 points ago +1 / -1

Hehe, that's going to have to wait for another post, someday in the more distant future . . .

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Jackdagger 3 points ago +3 / -0

Just curious if virus is fake what makes whole family sick at once? I haven't gone down rabbit hole yet but curious...

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ganachain 1 point ago +1 / -0

Bio resonance where our bodies communicate. Also toxins common to an area are another way to simulate a “contagion”.

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Gandiva [S] 1 point ago +2 / -1

There are many possibilities. I do not deny that some evidence exists for contagion. Contagion by itself is not evidence for anything at all, other than that illness may sometimes (though certainly not necessarily) have a common origin. Though what such an origin is has never been convincingly demonstrated . . . not even once. So it's anybody's guess what it might be. Women living together synchronize their menstrual cycle, but we don't jump to the conclusion that some particle jumped from one to the other. When someone nearby yawns or laughs, we start to as well, but we haven't "caught" anything material.

It could also be that families eat together, and so eat something bad together; live together, and so encounter the same environmental pollutants or toxins; experience the same stress together; and their bodies are constantly able to share information via chemical or energetic mechanisms.

Look up Terrain Theory versus Germ Theory, and you'll get some people's ideas who've put a lot of thought into this.

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NooneFor2024II 3 points ago +3 / -0

Our Heavenly Father created bacteria (good and bad) and man created viruses.

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Gandiva [S] 1 point ago +2 / -1

Almost. No bacteria is bad. Look up Terrain Theory versus Germ Theory, especially as explained by the names in my original post. These people have put a lot of thought into explaining this. But that's getting further out ahead than I wanted this post to get. And no man has created a virus, though some men are viruses themselves.

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HELLOGITMO 3 points ago +3 / -0

I tend to agree no virus theory too. What about say Herpes 1? I know several friends who claim they got a cold sore a day or two after sharing a drink or straw with someone else with a cold sore. And they keep coming back periodically, you know experts say it lays dormant in your spine until you are immune suppressed.

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Gandiva [S] 1 point ago +2 / -1

Your question has more to do with the theory of contagion than the theory of viruses. I do not deny that some evidence exists for contagion, although what contagion actually is has never once been proven. Contagion by itself is not evidence for anything at all, other than that illness may sometimes (though certainly not necessarily) have a common origin. Though what such an origin is has never been convincingly demonstrated . . . not even once. So it's anybody's guess what it might be. Women living together synchronize their menstrual cycle, but we don't jump to the conclusion that some particle jumped from one to the other. When someone nearby yawns or laughs, we start to as well, but we haven't "caught" anything material.

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Gandiva [S] 0 points ago +1 / -1

4 steps:

  1. Refer to sources in my original post.

  2. Find the study that proves a herpes virus exists.

  3. Find the study that proves said virus causes said symptoms.

  4. Get back to me when you find it.

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HELLOGITMO 2 points ago +2 / -0

Thanks. Starting on the 4 step plan tonight soon as I can break free. I'm newer to this topic so go easy. Quick: Are there non-virus things people can keep and pass to others besides parasites or bacteria?

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Gandiva [S] -2 points ago +1 / -3

It's heartening to be amongst so many willing to exercise skepticism.

I believe parasites can cause illness as commonly claimed, though I doubt they get much of a foothold inside us when we're healthy and taking good care of our bodies. Some of them actually perform useful functions for us.

As for bacteria, that's a little further down the rabbit hole than I want to take anyone in this post. But since you asked, look up Terrain Theory versus Germ Theory, especially as explained by the names in my original post. These people have put a lot of thought into explaining this.

Bacteria do exist, of course. See if you can find one study that has ever proven a bacteria causes illness (other than septicemia).

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HELLOGITMO 1 point ago +2 / -1

A few years ago I went in for a teeth cleaning. I shaved before the appointment, perhaps opening up pores and scraping skin on my face. She wore gloves and all the std procedures. 4 days later, my face was taken by Staphylococcus ("staph infection"). Incubation is 4-7 days so it fit exactly. Exam room WAS sanitized EXCEPT for mouse and touchscreen computer [edit: which she touched throughout the cleaning]. Teeth clean, but face was covered with sores and scabs days later. They went later out of business. Too bad - very nice team with nice office. A case of bacteria, not virus I presume.

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Gandiva [S] -3 points ago +0 / -3

This proves exactly nothing.

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HELLOGITMO 3 points ago +4 / -1

GANDIVA, WTF ARE YOU SAYING??? Harmful bacteria is NOT contagious? I have NEVER had an infection like that in my entire life. I work from home and never left the house weeks before before the dentist appt. Went to doctor 7 days after infection and they SHOWED me. EFFIN S H O W E D M E my staph infection under the microscope on a BIG SCREEN TV and hinted at legal council.

GANDIVA, I have NEVER EVER yelled at anyone in this forum in history, but based on your last response, I think you are full of crap. If you deny bacteria is contagious, people here can plainly see who you are. Do not reply unless it is with a real unconditional apology.

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hydradarr 1 point ago +3 / -2

however many humans are colonized by staph. Staph infections are caused by a type of bacteria called staphylococcus. These germs can live on your skin, in your mouth, or in your nose. https://www.everydayhealth.com/staph-infection/guide/

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HELLOGITMO 3 points ago +4 / -1

Look at it again. https://greatawakening.win/p/15HvGLDDQ8/

That's your "proves exactly nothing" picture. Painful and lasted well over a month. I had not left my house for 2+ weeks before dentist appt. Did not stop anywhere on way to appt not even a gas station. I touched nothing, not even a door handle (which is my M.O.) Bacteria is observable under a microscope. I had it pasted all over my face during the cleaning. Doctor's office showed it to me in real time. What kind of expert are you?

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Just_dumping_fuel 3 points ago +3 / -0

the definition of a virus is vague enough to allow computer viruses to be considered alive.

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Gandiva [S] 0 points ago +1 / -1

Could be. Except the theory says they're not alive, at least not fully. Or in other words, it's a scam.

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Just_dumping_fuel 1 point ago +1 / -0

maybe a virus is just a poison.

an analogy to help me explain.

we have a tree, we burn it and it produces ashe.

the tree- the host

the fire- the poison

the ashe- virus

if we engulf the tree with flame, it is gone. if we burn it enough to remove anything of value it dies, but if we slight burn it leaving some useable tree, it can regrow

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JulesW 3 points ago +3 / -0

I believe our truth has been so distorted there is no coming back for many. Viruses might not exist, but those fuckers are poisoning us with other various things.

Now we just have to figure that out and begin humanity’s healing process.

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Gandiva [S] 0 points ago +1 / -1

Yes, big time poisoning. Yes, humanity must heal.