Her brother got away with raping girls, Daddy had mob ties during his time in Baltimore politics, and her shitbag of a son Paul got his ex-girlfriend’s kids taken by CPS when she accused him of impropriety. Yeah, sure Nance. 🙄
Now it's starting to make sense why his arraignment was pushed out so far. At first, I thought it was them possibly timing it out to memory hole the entire thing, now it seems like something bigger was at play...Q
I have some faith in the American justice system. I once saw a Ferrari with "Party Plates". My thoughts were if someone has the money to purchase a Ferrari, they surely should have the funds to buy their way out of a DUI but the charges stuck.
Personally my views related to DUI would be pretty far out and unorthodox, but i hope Mr. Pelosi faces some dire consequences.
DUI in and of itself is a victimless crime. So is speeding. I do not think in and of itself it should be punishable - if you can operate your vehicle in whatever condition and no-one is ever the wiser, fine.
Punishment for if others are harmed (or their property) or certainly killed (death penalty yourself) should be high enough that most would not risk it. Pelosi caused a crash so there you go.
I'd even argue that the same punishment should apply whether drunk or sober, as no accident is an accident, but that probably is even more "far out and unorthodox." We really need an entirely different approach to driving responsibility in my view - after all, it's actually the most dangerous thing most people ever do in their whole lives.
I'm curious if our "FO&U" match up or if you have totally different ideas.
I don't want to be that guy but I guess I have to.
It's the blood alcohol limits and the clear money grabbing scheme that's the issue. .08 is very easy to fail honestly. I'm okay with 0.0, 0 tolerance. Everyone thinks they're fine after a few beers. If it were zero tolerance I think that would dissuade much more.
I'd much prefer harsher penalties with regards to losing the license than putting people in debt.
Also I think they need to bring back the work license which allows you to go to work and back. If you mess up while driving on that, I'm okay with a ten year ban on having a driver's license.
CDL holders have to abide by 0 tolerance, so not really sure why everyone else can drive buzzed. Maybe, allow a slight amount for everyone to account only for mouthwash or anything like that which doesn't actually impair.
Well the thing there is, MADD has always been about prohibition, not preventing DUI. They got it down to .08 which most people can drive fine. .04 is next. Then .00.
So I can't agree with this as 2 beers with dinner should not get a DUI unless you are such a lightweight you crash anyway and that's when they can give you a DUI even though you weren't over the limit (.12 was at least legit IMO).
That is also enough to cause a measurable delay in reaction time for most people. I don't care if you are (or think you are) one of the few who can have a higher amount of BAC and still react the same. The law has to be applied equally. That means a single standard for everyone.
Work license applies in PA from what my friend told me. Her friend got a DUI and had a work license because there are so few public transport options in many areas.
But apparently the first no th you have regular breathalyzer tests show up at your house via cop, at any time and you have to be 100% sober or you get one installed in your car (which I'd prefer because drinking and NOT driving is 0 risk to other drivers.
DUI is Driving Under the Influence. There is nothing about reckless driving or anything else about it. It is simply having too high a BAC.
I'm not proud but a couple times I've been caught out/drank too much and was certainly DUI. I started driving and said "whoah I'd better stay sharp" and was very careful - no one the wiser. But if I'd gotten pulled over for whatever, I'd have been busted hard regardless.
You sound like someone how can't reason correctly but happily calls people shills without supporting logic.
Gotcha. No, these times were a couple incidents, spread out and long ago, like inadvertently had too much (one was at a work dinner) and I was very careful and drove fine (probably better than normal in some ways, since I'm not the most patient person but working on it), but if I HAD happened to be pulled over I would have been absolutely caught, bigly, and had to face it.
This is what I mean by it would have been victimless crime.
Note, I didn't clarify previously but I would consider cop pulling you over for meandering all over the road or whatever justification for DUI too - anything noticeable (edit: I realize this slightly blurs my "there has to be a victim" part of the argument but the same kind of thinking as "you wouldn't wait for some nut waving a gun around to start shooting people" applies here). This applies to cell phones or whatever else too - I actually followed someone who couldn't keep in their lane for miles - I called 911 and they had me stay behind them and when the cop showed up had me indicate it was the right car, he pulled them over but had me pull over too. He talked to them and then came back and said it was fine, the guy was working and on his cell phone and laptop. Let that sink in....
Most 30 year old men can drive better while black out drunk than most 60 year old women can drive dead sober. Blood alcohol is an unconstitutional measure.
Where are you getting your stats? O are you just using anecdotes from comparing you and your old lady?
If you want to get wasted, stay at home and poison yourself without driving. No need to take others down with you.
If there are other bad drivers on the road, they shouldn't be allowed to drive either. It doesn't give you a free pass to just try and keep it between the ditches until you get home.
Its probably similar off of what you have said. I see it as usually a vivtimless crime used by corrupt governments to raise revenue.
My thoughts were, allowing people to test to get an endorsement up to like .12 BAC. Cause of an accident requires you to forfeit 10% earnings until other party is made whole. Cause of injury in accident equals jail time. Causing a death in accident, jail time plus 30% earning forfeiture to bereaved family for life.
This could be fine tuned more, but i think its pretty close to fair while not just being a revenue stream to governments.
I personally know people who were killed by a drunk driver. This fucker killed the father and daughter mere days before the daughter’s Sweet Sixteen birthday party which was all planned out by the mother who survived the crash (barely).
You cannot imagine the horror and grief, I saw the mangled bloody van this family was in and the drunk driver walked away from the crash with no injuries. My views on drunk driving are VERY different from yours.
I sure wish I had a Vice President if the most powerful office in the world to intervene for me when I willingly broke the law so I could walk Scott free while my neighbor goes to jail for doing f the same thing
While a DUI demolishes the lives of normal peasants, and costs them roughly 20% of their yearly income in fines, impounds their vehicle, strips their license to travel on public roads, and locks them in a jail cell, and leaves them with a mark on their record, the politically connected simply use the the rigged system that they built to ignore all of those consequences.
I hope some drunken asshole- a genuinely fighting-mad kinda drunk, and pure breed drunken asshole, who has been victimized by DUI laws, figures out a way to get some justice against the political system that abuses peasants, and protects the political class.
You see, everyone hates an asshole, everyone. Except, for when that asshole utilizes their god given asshole talents against the wicked, and corrupt. Then, everyone loves that asshole, and calls him hero.
Most likely this was referring to personal contacts. As former AG, Kamala would have known many of the people in the system on a first name basis. I’m sure someone from Pelosi office reached out to Kamala to find the correct corrupt people to approach.
“No one is above the law” - famous words of Pelosi
Her brother got away with raping girls, Daddy had mob ties during his time in Baltimore politics, and her shitbag of a son Paul got his ex-girlfriend’s kids taken by CPS when she accused him of impropriety. Yeah, sure Nance. 🙄
Now it's starting to make sense why his arraignment was pushed out so far. At first, I thought it was them possibly timing it out to memory hole the entire thing, now it seems like something bigger was at play...Q
I have some faith in the American justice system. I once saw a Ferrari with "Party Plates". My thoughts were if someone has the money to purchase a Ferrari, they surely should have the funds to buy their way out of a DUI but the charges stuck.
Personally my views related to DUI would be pretty far out and unorthodox, but i hope Mr. Pelosi faces some dire consequences.
Consequences, Mrs Pelosi will probably cut him off from denture cleaning night.
DUI in and of itself is a victimless crime. So is speeding. I do not think in and of itself it should be punishable - if you can operate your vehicle in whatever condition and no-one is ever the wiser, fine.
Punishment for if others are harmed (or their property) or certainly killed (death penalty yourself) should be high enough that most would not risk it. Pelosi caused a crash so there you go.
I'd even argue that the same punishment should apply whether drunk or sober, as no accident is an accident, but that probably is even more "far out and unorthodox." We really need an entirely different approach to driving responsibility in my view - after all, it's actually the most dangerous thing most people ever do in their whole lives.
I'm curious if our "FO&U" match up or if you have totally different ideas.
DUI isnt a victimless crime. If you're driving wrecklessly enough to be pulled over, then you have the potential to cause a wreck.
Same with speeding IF its really a limit legitimately set for safety (and not just nice for speed traps).
People shouldn't have to be injured or dead before limits are enforced.
You actually sound more like a shill who'd shift the dui blame and then just remove driving privileges from everyone because "They are so dangerous".
I don't want to be that guy but I guess I have to.
It's the blood alcohol limits and the clear money grabbing scheme that's the issue. .08 is very easy to fail honestly. I'm okay with 0.0, 0 tolerance. Everyone thinks they're fine after a few beers. If it were zero tolerance I think that would dissuade much more.
I'd much prefer harsher penalties with regards to losing the license than putting people in debt.
Also I think they need to bring back the work license which allows you to go to work and back. If you mess up while driving on that, I'm okay with a ten year ban on having a driver's license.
CDL holders have to abide by 0 tolerance, so not really sure why everyone else can drive buzzed. Maybe, allow a slight amount for everyone to account only for mouthwash or anything like that which doesn't actually impair.
CDL drivers can flatten normal drivers and not even notice it happened, slight difference there.
Pretty sure they notice. Also, not all CDL drivers are in semis.
Why would any level of impairment be ok? Do you need a drink that bad that you can't wait until you get home or get a ride?
You're an idiot and I'm done with the stupid back and forth.
Edit: Oh you're the same idiot from below. Figures. Well, username checks out at least. Right back at you, pal.
Agreed
Well the thing there is, MADD has always been about prohibition, not preventing DUI. They got it down to .08 which most people can drive fine. .04 is next. Then .00.
So I can't agree with this as 2 beers with dinner should not get a DUI unless you are such a lightweight you crash anyway and that's when they can give you a DUI even though you weren't over the limit (.12 was at least legit IMO).
That is also enough to cause a measurable delay in reaction time for most people. I don't care if you are (or think you are) one of the few who can have a higher amount of BAC and still react the same. The law has to be applied equally. That means a single standard for everyone.
Yes, and that standard should be 0.0.
Or did you not read anything I said
Work license applies in PA from what my friend told me. Her friend got a DUI and had a work license because there are so few public transport options in many areas.
But apparently the first no th you have regular breathalyzer tests show up at your house via cop, at any time and you have to be 100% sober or you get one installed in your car (which I'd prefer because drinking and NOT driving is 0 risk to other drivers.
DUI is Driving Under the Influence. There is nothing about reckless driving or anything else about it. It is simply having too high a BAC.
I'm not proud but a couple times I've been caught out/drank too much and was certainly DUI. I started driving and said "whoah I'd better stay sharp" and was very careful - no one the wiser. But if I'd gotten pulled over for whatever, I'd have been busted hard regardless.
You sound like someone how can't reason correctly but happily calls people shills without supporting logic.
Why’d you get pulled over? Don’t tell me they just felt like messing with you.
Where did I say I got pulled over?
I misread the last sentence of the second paragraph.
Gotcha. No, these times were a couple incidents, spread out and long ago, like inadvertently had too much (one was at a work dinner) and I was very careful and drove fine (probably better than normal in some ways, since I'm not the most patient person but working on it), but if I HAD happened to be pulled over I would have been absolutely caught, bigly, and had to face it.
This is what I mean by it would have been victimless crime.
Note, I didn't clarify previously but I would consider cop pulling you over for meandering all over the road or whatever justification for DUI too - anything noticeable (edit: I realize this slightly blurs my "there has to be a victim" part of the argument but the same kind of thinking as "you wouldn't wait for some nut waving a gun around to start shooting people" applies here). This applies to cell phones or whatever else too - I actually followed someone who couldn't keep in their lane for miles - I called 911 and they had me stay behind them and when the cop showed up had me indicate it was the right car, he pulled them over but had me pull over too. He talked to them and then came back and said it was fine, the guy was working and on his cell phone and laptop. Let that sink in....
Well, then maybe you're just a narcissistic alcoholic instead of a shill.
I'm just gonna go with LOL and move on.
Kek that’s pretty funny
In a polite society we must all obey rules.
How about unconstitutional "rules?"
Most 30 year old men can drive better while black out drunk than most 60 year old women can drive dead sober. Blood alcohol is an unconstitutional measure.
And the first thing to go with alcohol is judgement!
Where are you getting your stats? O are you just using anecdotes from comparing you and your old lady?
If you want to get wasted, stay at home and poison yourself without driving. No need to take others down with you.
If there are other bad drivers on the road, they shouldn't be allowed to drive either. It doesn't give you a free pass to just try and keep it between the ditches until you get home.
Just keep on trusting MADD and the man while ignoring your lying eyes, bro.
Its probably similar off of what you have said. I see it as usually a vivtimless crime used by corrupt governments to raise revenue.
My thoughts were, allowing people to test to get an endorsement up to like .12 BAC. Cause of an accident requires you to forfeit 10% earnings until other party is made whole. Cause of injury in accident equals jail time. Causing a death in accident, jail time plus 30% earning forfeiture to bereaved family for life.
This could be fine tuned more, but i think its pretty close to fair while not just being a revenue stream to governments.
Taxation is already theft, you want the government to be able to take more?
Perhaps I was not clear, by this I meant if you DO get ONE DUI you are SO FUCT including you won't be driving for a long while.
Edit: Have you not noticed that CURRENT setup/penalties easily allow your scenario?
Don't take my lack of further arguing as any kind of agreement with all that.
Is this what the person Pelosi hit (T-Boned) while driving under the influence that night? I'm sure they were a victim. Just sayin'
Edit: Just sayin'.
I personally know people who were killed by a drunk driver. This fucker killed the father and daughter mere days before the daughter’s Sweet Sixteen birthday party which was all planned out by the mother who survived the crash (barely).
You cannot imagine the horror and grief, I saw the mangled bloody van this family was in and the drunk driver walked away from the crash with no injuries. My views on drunk driving are VERY different from yours.
https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/88877827/sarah-surprise_marie-barkus
Then there were VICTIMS. I don't know how many times I have to explain this.
I sure wish I had a Vice President if the most powerful office in the world to intervene for me when I willingly broke the law so I could walk Scott free while my neighbor goes to jail for doing f the same thing
They call her former Attorney General of California, not Vice President?
You think Pelosi couldn’t pull this off on her own?
I'm pretty sure the being married to the speaker of the house is enough clout to squash a dui.
Time to listen to "And Justice For All" by Metallica again
I am not here to help these people get away with ANYTHING when they clearly already have a problem seeing where the line is at.
After she helped smollet people should be Leary about accepting her help.
This is going to blow up in there faces.
While a DUI demolishes the lives of normal peasants, and costs them roughly 20% of their yearly income in fines, impounds their vehicle, strips their license to travel on public roads, and locks them in a jail cell, and leaves them with a mark on their record, the politically connected simply use the the rigged system that they built to ignore all of those consequences.
I hope some drunken asshole- a genuinely fighting-mad kinda drunk, and pure breed drunken asshole, who has been victimized by DUI laws, figures out a way to get some justice against the political system that abuses peasants, and protects the political class.
You see, everyone hates an asshole, everyone. Except, for when that asshole utilizes their god given asshole talents against the wicked, and corrupt. Then, everyone loves that asshole, and calls him hero.
I have my doubts. Pelosi is powerful enough she doesn’t need the help of a mouthpiece
Pelosi has enough connections herself. Doesn’t need Kamala’s help.
Most likely this was referring to personal contacts. As former AG, Kamala would have known many of the people in the system on a first name basis. I’m sure someone from Pelosi office reached out to Kamala to find the correct corrupt people to approach.
These people are stupid.
Just calling to remind people that they still have the Epstein recordings
Pelosi family...above the law and beneath contempt.