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LordKekingtonEsquire 4 points ago +4 / -0

You really think that fighting against human nature with such federal force is a good idea? You're not going to keep people from having sex. You're just not. No matter how much preaching and praying and religious pressure you put on them. We're not a theocracy. We're a Constitutional Republic. I don't agree with abortion but taking these hardlined stances aren't productive, helpful and would really just create a worse situation. Look at what happened with federal alcohol prohibition.

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NoDramaMama2 1 point ago +1 / -0

I know you know. There is merit to this point. BUT... imo, when does "Life" begin? when does a "person" begin? Where is the line drawn? If we are all ..."endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life..."

Premies born at 20+ weeks who, through medical miracles, survive -- are they not "People" with rights?

It's a complicated issue, for sure, but I err on the side of Life - as a mother who has felt the movement of a 14-week old respond in my womb to the touch of my hand.

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Gelicki88 [S] 1 point ago +1 / -0

I'm gunna have to disagree and side with Trump on this one. Life begins at conception and anything to prevent that life being born is murder. That is why I am grateful to be in a red state where we will outlaw all baby killing.

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NoDramaMama2 1 point ago +1 / -0

I agree. It's a slippery slope. I lost a baby at 6 weeks and another at 8 weeks. Should we be able to get life insurance when we get a positive pregnancy test? I think killing any innocent is murder, but that's my opinion, not law. It should be left to the citizens of each state, jmo.

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Gelicki88 [S] 1 point ago +1 / -0

I dunno I think theres a reason Trump delivered SCOTUS to us

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Tewdryg 1 point ago +1 / -0

Even Lucifer will trade 'something' to take advantage and trick the many.

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TSearch 1 point ago +1 / -0

Sounds like a good job for him, he can start in his home state of Indiana and get them to tighten their abortion laws. After that he can move on and organize other states to get conservative Governors and Legislatures elected.

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NoDramaMama2 1 point ago +1 / -0

While I agree that abortion is wrong, that it is killing another human being... It all comes down to the Constitution, which doesn't address the preborn (most likely because no one EVER envisioned that being a consideration, imo).

BUT, because it is NOT addressed in the Constitution, it must be left to the States to decide. The Founders were wise in that regard.

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Halya 1 point ago +1 / -0

If Pence is so pro life, why did he stab in the back the 1 president who was most pro life.

I am pro life but in this case I think Pence is grasping at straws to save his political career.

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wheresmysnare 1 point ago +2 / -1

This will never fly. The Constitution disallows the govt from establishing religion. The vast majority of people don't agree with the religious "moment of conception" argument. On the other hand, many non-religous people don't like legal baby killing at 8.9 months or whatever. At some point I think the Supreme court will just rule that abortions are legal up to X weeks but not based on "viability" because then that just becomes the new disputed point.

This will be similar to defining age of adult at 18. It is a somewhat arbitrary number that is both too young and too old depending on the context but for legal issues we have to draw a line somewhere. This is an element of common law tradition, BTW.

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Gelicki88 [S] 1 point ago +1 / -0

Thats literally how we used to have it but Trumps justices thankfully made abortion unconstitutional.

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wheresmysnare 0 points ago +1 / -1

It is NOT unconstitional, it is now up to the state legislators to decide.

What is going to happen now and is already happening is that women will cross state lines to get abortions. Some state will arrest them on return and charge them with murder and then the Supreme Court will have to weigh in on the legality of that. That is the basis of what I wrote.