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farmforfreedom [S] 3 points ago +3 / -0

They never talk about biodiversity or what these alternative inputs are. Uh, compost? How is it easier or more sustainable to clone plants and animals than to grow them in the soil and return everything back to the natural carbon cycle?

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StormzAComing 2 points ago +2 / -0

Trust the science and all that

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JizmJunky 1 point ago +1 / -0

Because they don't exist, or are 100% impractical. See Sri Lanka. Going full bio in commercial production is not practical. If you know, you know.

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farmforfreedom [S] 2 points ago +2 / -0

My wife and I produce almost $100k in mixed vegetables on less than 2 acres with just compost. Highest quality vegetables around. My only complaint is using some ground cover and insect netting (to avoid spraying). I hope to switch to scything my own mulch when I get to purchase land and switch from leased land. We feed 24 families a week $35 worth of vegetables and are bringing in $3k a week easy at our 2 farmers markets from March-December. Just 2 people. 2 acres. And shit loads of wheel barrows of compost.

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JizmJunky 1 point ago +1 / -0

Thats excellent! Organic def has its place, i just dont see it in commercial. For insect control you can purchase nursery reared predacious insects. When i was in organic farming we sprayed just like normal too. Just used registered organic products like sulfur, or PAA, or pyrethrins. Lots of spray options exist in a strict organic program

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farmforfreedom [S] 2 points ago +2 / -0

Indeed, but we try to go beyond organic by not spraying at all. No desire to support the chemical and pharmaceutical companies that produce them.

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JizmJunky 1 point ago +1 / -0

To each their own. It doesnt make you "less organic" to lay down bio pesticides. To this day i regularly incorporate bio pesticides into our chemical program with great success. The efficacy of chemicals is def wearing tho so we are seeing a lot more integration globally, which is good news on the organic front. What saddens me is the misconceptions about American farmers. The regular farmer is a proud, fiscal conservative that doesnt like to waste money on things like overuse of pesticides for example. Chemicals are crazy expensive, its a huge waste of money to over use or mis use. Because those particular chemicals will potentially not be a viable option for control in years to come. I look forwars to more farming related posts from you! Farmers are few and far between anymore=)

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farmforfreedom [S] 2 points ago +2 / -0

I agree, because the term organic is from the government and allows things I find counter intuitive to what nature intends which is how I identify organic. Not naturally derived elements in dangerous concentrations, but feeding soil to grow healthy plants that can withstand disease and pest pressure. We butt heads with the organic growers at the farm market because they don't like that we are non certified and still crushing it with no sprays and educating consumers about how scale is the issue, because even large scale organic farms abuse sprays and waste tons of plastic. I enjoy putting a new perspective to what farming is and can be. I worry the globohomos are going to ruin the name of sustainable farming by acting like it is the savoir, when like most things, diversity and decentralization of production are what we need to create more resilient systems. More smaller better

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JizmJunky 1 point ago +1 / -0

Id like to know how much plastic those people use that ends up in landfills lol. I was also in certified organic cannabis(cannabis growers are terrible for the environment but this usually gets overlooked by progressive activist but i digress.) Rhizobacterium are another class of product i really enjoyed in those days. Nitrogen fixing biologicals for example. The whole spread of trichoderma and bacili. "Tainio" is an awesome organic company out of spokane valley. They have everything from NSBs to chelated calcium to mycorhizae.