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MahaYoshi 34 points ago +34 / -0

This well-written post perfectly encapsulates my thoughts over the last couple years.

I used to identify as conservative, but began to realize a few things.

I didn’t check all the conservative - I differed on my opinions on same-sex partnerships, endless defense budgets for foreign wars, and propping up Wall Street.

And, something Rush Limbaugh used to say started to click with me — the whole idea that we are conservatives was itself a misnomer. Big, oppressive government run by elites has been the norm throughout history — There’s nothing more liberal or progressive than a government that is subservient to the people.

Then I realized, MOST conservatives, if you start talking to them with their guards down, check slightly different boxes from each other and from the party. That even liberals often check the same boxes we do.

But we all quickly fall completely into the party’s arguments when facing the other side. We start doing the party’s business for them, even though most of us don’t fully agree with either of them.

Once I realized that, I realized how staged most banter between politicians and media personalities felt.

Trump sealed the deal - he very much governed as neither a conservative nor a liberal. Not even as a “moderate” (whatever that is). He governed as a human being.

The labels are meaningless. They are meant to divide us, and I think it’s on us to take the labels away from them.

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GoingCamaro 15 points ago +16 / -1

The labels are meaningless. They are meant to divide us, and I think it’s on us to take the labels away from them.

This is why I say I follow Jesus, but am not a Christian. I want nothing to do with the religion. And ironically enough, the teachings of Jesus go very much against a lot of the Conservative platform. A lot of Christians also don't follow Jesus, they follow Paul's interpretation of Jesus which has also contributed to the mess we're in and why the various churches are so divided. They're obsessed over doctrines and derived policy that has nothing to do with the bigger picture: loving your enemies, treating others the way you want to be treated and so forth. They place Jesus and Paul at the same level and in some instances it feels like they place Paul ABOVE Jesus the same way The Mormons do with Joseph Smith and the Muslims with Muhammad. Yet if you actually put Jesus first and ignore the rest, you start to realize it's a lot easier than people make it out to be and once you take "Do not judge least ye be Judged" t heart and couple that with murdering your desire to control people, and suddenly all the bullshit, all the insecurity all the crap starts to fall to pieces...

Of course this comes at a price. Those who cling to their labels, those who defend the integrity of their honorless factions will see you as their enemy, as many in this sub see me. My independence is a threat to their worldview. My audacity to question the status quo threatens their comfort bubbles. But you know what? I don't care. At least not beyond sharing this with you and everyone else publicly. Not being well liked didn't stop John Adams and without him there wouldn't be an America so why the fuck would I ever let ANYONE'S unfavorable opinion of me slow me down?

And yeah. The thing that got me to walk away from Conservatism was realizing that most Conservatives will support laws and regulations that agree with their religious zealotry regardless of Constitutionality. They also didn't seem bothered by the government taking the reigns when it came to marriage, so yeah they can all fuck off with their un-American attitudes too. Now I get, that like me most of you weren't alive when that happened, but you still fell for the same tricks over the gay marriage debacle. The correct answer was to abolish government marriage. Or change the word associated with the marriage license concept. But nope... like children, everyone picked a side and argued against freedom (both sides were guilty) instead of focusing on the cause. Sadly the same bullshit still happens and the talking clowns mentioned in the post are keeping Conservatives angry and in the camp... I'd like to believe more have woken up. We already have a team: America (fuck yeah!) and we have a banner. That is all we have ever needed. Anything more is just senseless and divisive. I don't give a FUCK how RIGHT you think you are about the world, spirituality or whatever. The Constitution comes FIRST and if you support controls of any kind over other people, I am against you by default.

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ThePowerOfPrayer 3 points ago +3 / -0

A lot of Christians also don't follow Jesus, they follow Paul's interpretation of Jesus which has also contributed to the mess we're in and why the various churches are so divided. They're obsessed over doctrines and derived policy that has nothing to do with the bigger picture: loving your enemies, treating others the way you want to be treated and so forth. They place Jesus and Paul at the same level and in some instances it feels like they place Paul ABOVE Jesus the same way The Mormons do with Joseph Smith and the Muslims with Muhammad.

This doesn't make any sense without you explaining what you mean by "Paul's interpretations."

What exactly do you have a problem with in Paul's letters to the various churches?

Is it Ephesians 5:11?

And have no fellowship with the unfruitful works of darkness, but rather reprove [expose] them.

Is it Ephesians 6:11-18?

11 Put on the whole armour of God, that ye may be able to stand against the wiles of the devil.

12 For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places.

13 Wherefore take unto you the whole armour of God, that ye may be able to withstand in the evil day, and having done all, to stand.

14 Stand therefore, having your loins girt about with truth, and having on the breastplate of righteousness;

15 And your feet shod with the preparation of the gospel of peace;

16 Above all, taking the shield of faith, wherewith ye shall be able to quench all the fiery darts of the wicked.

17 And take the helmet of salvation, and the sword of the Spirit, which is the word of God:

18 Praying always with all prayer and supplication in the Spirit, and watching thereunto with all perseverance and supplication for all saints;

Where exactly does Paul advise people to focus on "doctrine and derived policy" as opposed to the "bigger picture"? Last I checked, Paul wrote doctrines and derived policy are absolutely worthless if love (charity) isn't behind them.

1 Corinthians 13:1-13

1 Though I speak with the tongues of men and of angels, and have not charity, I am become as sounding brass, or a tinkling cymbal.

2 And though I have the gift of prophecy, and understand all mysteries, and all knowledge; and though I have all faith, so that I could remove mountains, and have not charity, I am nothing.

3 And though I bestow all my goods to feed the poor, and though I give my body to be burned, and have not charity, it profiteth me nothing.

4 Charity suffereth long, and is kind; charity envieth not; charity vaunteth not itself, is not puffed up,

5 Doth not behave itself unseemly, seeketh not her own, is not easily provoked, thinketh no evil;

6 Rejoiceth not in iniquity, but rejoiceth in the truth;

7 Beareth all things, believeth all things, hopeth all things, endureth all things.

8 Charity never faileth: but whether there be prophecies, they shall fail; whether there be tongues, they shall cease; whether there be knowledge, it shall vanish away.

9 For we know in part, and we prophesy in part.

10 But when that which is perfect is come, then that which is in part shall be done away.

11 When I was a child, I spake as a child, I understood as a child, I thought as a child: but when I became a man, I put away childish things.

12 For now we see through a glass, darkly; but then face to face: now I know in part; but then shall I know even as also I am known.

13 And now abideth faith, hope, charity, these three; but the greatest of these is charity.

Hard to take you seriously when it's clear you either haven't studied Paul's epistles, or, if you have, just don't understand them.

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Choctaw -1 points ago +1 / -2

It's a lack of understanding and study. Paul was chosen by Christ specifically. Paul didn't go out and "invent" Christianity, it was simply a way to recognize all who belived in Jesus, both Jew and Gentile alike.