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posted ago by Reeconron ago by Reeconron +52 / -1

Scripture is pretty clear, No!

Liberty is a Gift from God.

Liberty is the Gift of God to Make Our Own Decisions.

Freedom is a Reward for Making the Right Decisions.

https://www.jesus-is-savior.com/Evils%20in%20Government/submission-criminal_gov.htm

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BigDaddy1reboot 5 points ago +5 / -0

Christians are obey government except where government conflicts with God's law, then Christians are to obey God. When the New Testament was written, the Christians were under the Roman Government and both Paul and Peter wrote that Christians were to obey the Government, except when that law was against God's law.

For example, when the government tells Christians NOT to meet together to worship and fellowship, that law violates Heb 10:24-25 says,

" 24 And let us consider one another to provoke unto love and to good works:

25 Not forsaking the assembling of ourselves together, as the manner of some is; but exhorting one another: and so much the more, as ye see the day approaching."

In Acts 5:29-32 Peter says this, "29 But Peter and the other apostles answered and said: “We ought to obey God rather than men. 30 The God of our fathers raised up Jesus whom you murdered by hanging on a tree. 31 Him God has exalted to His right hand to be Prince and Savior, to give repentance to Israel and forgiveness of sins. 32 And we are His witnesses to these things, and so also is the Holy Spirit whom God has given to those who obey Him.”

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Copperselectrons 3 points ago +3 / -0

up^ for truth

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FullAmpleSally 2 points ago +2 / -0

Funny how many churches thought it was right to follow authorities in closing up their churches or not permitting believers to worship unless they followed all the rules given by man - social distancing, masks, etc.

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Responsible1 4 points ago +4 / -0

No

Satan says HE is God. Should we obey him?

Also the scripture where he says Give to Ceaser? There is a better translation that says “Give to Ceaser what Ceaser DESERVES and give to GOD what GOD deserves.”

This illegitimate government deserves jail, not half our income.

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ITOLDYOUSO 2 points ago +2 / -0

This reference is interesting. They were trying to trick Jesus by asking Him about taxes whether they should pay. Julius Caesar lowered taxes and cut regulations especially for Jew. Religious freedoms were expanded also. May Christians try to "render" to the government what is God's

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Glooptygloop 1 point ago +1 / -0

Slight correction, Julius Caesar died 44 years before Jesus was born. Caesar Augustus took over and then Tiberius was emperor during most of Christ's life and death.

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Truthseeker17 2 points ago +2 / -0

And after Julius Caesar, Roman emperors used "Caesar" as a title. People are mixing up the title of the office with Julius Caesar.

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Glooptygloop 1 point ago +1 / -0

Yep. Generically adopted like President.

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Simpleton9 1 point ago +1 / -0

Genesis 1:27 So God created mankind in his own image, in the image of God he created them; male and female he created them.

Matthew 22:19-21 19 Show me the coin used for paying the tax.” They brought him a denarius, 20 and he asked them, “Whose image is this? And whose inscription?” 21 “Caesar’s,” they replied. Then he said to them, “So give back to Caesar what is Caesar’s, and to God what is God’s.”

This has more to do with giving back to God what was made in His image.

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ApeGang 4 points ago +4 / -0

God created us to be free to make bad decisions.

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truthloveliberty 3 points ago +4 / -1

All about Romans 13, go to: romans13.com

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Blandeaux 2 points ago +2 / -0

This is the correct answer. Most people misinterpret the meaning especially when some Bibles say this;

Obey the government, for God is the one who has put it there.

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MilitaryJustice 3 points ago +3 / -0

NO!

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pby1000 2 points ago +2 / -0

Fuck no!

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Fatality 2 points ago +2 / -0

Daniel did, but he didn't obey the rules they made that infringed on his faith, and that's why we now have the story of Daniel in the Lion's Den.

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2020Ray 1 point ago +1 / -0

Did God create us to be free or did he create us to be under his authority? Is this our error and are we paying for it?

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ghostclown 1 point ago +1 / -0

Trick question. There's no such thing as a criminal government. There's government; and there's criminals. But there's no criminal government. If a government starts committing crimes, it's just criminals after that. Prove me wrong.

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MAGA4Ever2016 1 point ago +1 / -0

So, you want us to live under a theocracy?

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Brooklyn_Patriot_76 1 point ago +1 / -0

FUN FACT! "Render unto Caesar" was added by the Romans.

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IlIlIlIlIl 1 point ago +1 / -0

added by the Romans

So you’re saying that of both Matthew 22:21 and Mark 12:17.

Romans 13:7 and Matthew 17:24-27 are related. Do you think the same thing applies to those passages too?

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ITOLDYOUSO 1 point ago +1 / -0

Those were Jesus words but the statement is taken out of context by many Christians to push Government compliance.

They were trying to trick Jesus by asking Him about taxes whether they should pay. Julius Caesar lowered taxes and cut regulations especially for Jew. Religious freedoms were expanded also. May Christians try to "render" to the government what is God's

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Brooklyn_Patriot_76 1 point ago +1 / -0

if you think our deep state is bad now, you have no idea how bad it was during the early years of Christianity and especially at Nicaea.

Christianity in it's undiluted original form was a DIRECT threat to globalism.

Do your research.

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IlIlIlIlIl 1 point ago +1 / -0

Irenaeus cites Romans 13 and Matthew 17 in chapter 24 of Against Heresies which was circa 180, an ante-nicene work.

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Copperselectrons 1 point ago +1 / -0

In Rom 13, a submit to authority chapter, the authority Paul spoke of was one that did Gods will. They are described a terror to those who do evil, and protect those who do good. In fact Paul says the way to not fear them is to do good, not evil. He also speaks of our conscience as our guide--so morality and what we know to be right/wrong matters here.

I think its fair to say the gov of today often does not come close to this description of being Gods minister for righteousness

Paul also says that if you dont want to fear those who are given the position of protecting the good & giving consequences to evildoers--all you have to do is whats good and you wont fear them. But he gives a warning to those who do evil that they better fear bc that authority 'does not bear the sword in vain'.

So when wicked criminal thugs say resist arrest, according to GOD, a true authority from Him is to not bear that sword in vain, ie use whatever means to arrest and subdue these wicked criminals who guess what are a threat and danger to the public when they resist arrest.

But what we actually see is what--dem politicians, 'leaders' 'authority' doing what--bailing out criminals and standing against and publicly criticizing leo.

So submit to authority that is according to Gods laws of whats moral right and good. Protecting evildoers and going against good do NOT qualify as Gods authority. They are posers liars and deceivers.

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74nooffub 1 point ago +1 / -0

Respect the seat of authority even if you have nothing good to say about the butt that's in it.