Hate to be the bearer of bad news, but the historical reality is that we (the USA) took Texas and California by means of illegal conquest, pushed and funded by those with aims to expand slavery (of blacks and whites). America, use infiltration and subversion to topple foreign government from within? Shocking! The reason why we got so good at it during much of the 20th Century, is because we had a lot of practice...
So what? History doesn't matter anymore? Sonoma Proclamation was cited as if it held some kind of authoritative status. It doesn't. Never did. As to "New California", good luck. There is a process dictated by the Constitution. Unless there is plan to abolish the Constitution, there won't be a "New California." However, Californians could and should retake control over their state.
No you are factually wrong that we took Cali and Tex by conquest. What we took by conquest was AZ and New Mex and paid mexico for those lands. Tex and Cali were sovereign nations that had declared independence before becoming US states. Yes Vali was done in a shorter time but it was not illegal. Also mexico had some .... how do I say it ... immigration problems
Wrong. Texas was legally part of Mexico, a sovereign nation only having recently gained its independence from Spain. While some Americans immigrated to Mexico (Texas) with good intentions, agreed to abide by Mexican law and did, many American trouble makers also went to Mexico (Texas), particularly with their slaves, in order to incite a rebellion and get Texians to break away from Mexico. War mongers. Filibusters. And it worked. Doesn't matter if some Texians "declared independence", their claims of having rights being "abused" were bogus. Pro-slavery powers got pissy because Mexico outlawed slavery, so they invented bullshit excuses to incite some locals and newly immigrated American "ex-pats" (in many cases, properly read "profiteers") to rebel against a lawful government. California was a similar case, with filibusters already anticipating Polk's illegal war with Mexico (itself an extension of the Texas "Revolution," similar to how the War of 1812 was more a less an extension of the American Revolution) and again inciting a small number of American "immigrants" to overthrow the Mexican government in California. Fremont knew the consequences, and wrote a letter of resignation from the US Army to avoid acquisitions of direct American instigation. But just like the New Orleans Grays at the Alamo and American "agents" in Cuba, the Philippines and Hawaii, it was quite obvious that Americans were there to ignite powder kegs, regardless of whether or not they were doing so under official government orders.
Polk's instigated war against Mexico was the failure of John Slidell to "purchase" California and what is now Arizona and New Mexico. And by purchase, I mean, claim that Mexico owed the US millions of dollars and that debt would be forgiven if Mexico turned over the land. Mexico of course refused. So Polk ordered Taylor to move US troops into the disputed Texas border territory (which even under the coerced treaty Texas signed with Santa Anna, was recognized as Mexican land) and boom, WE again instigated a war. Why? For territorial gain. Conquest. Why? Gold. Access to the Pacific. More land to expand slavery and for the slave powers to maintain/gain political control over the federal government (southern Democrats).
Yup, the US bullied Mexico and got Arizona, New Mexico and California as the result of a war of conquest. Only the southern portions were attained legally purchased, but by that point, what was Mexico going to do, try to defend itself again and lose another war? Btw, check out Mr. Gadsden, a shit of a fireating slaver.
Point is, the timeline of "Manifest Destiny" is quite long, and all of these events are connected, were planned and executed by powerful people behind the scenes, for their own benefit... casualties and destruction be damned.
A war that Polk illegally instigated, for the sole purpose of land conquest, to gain gold, trade route access and more potential slave territory. See Lincoln's speech in Congress condemning it. One of the best indictments of a president every made.
Again, hate to be the buzzkiller, but for most of the 19th Century, we were the baddies.
So you don't mind that your country bullied another country, essentially stealing land and resources? What's worse, stealing elections or stealing countries?
You don't mind that countless thousands and millions of well meaning Americans were duped into supporting the nefarious self-serving scheming of a small group of evil shitheads? I'm proud of my country too, but will condemn evil when there was evil.
Sounds more like you're just incredibly ignorant of some of the ugly parts of American History, and don't like having to come to grips with these uncomfortable truths which were kept hidden from you by your "history" propagandists...
Yup, I don't mind. Elections being stolen by masonic powers is way worse than a dirty war.
I am not ignorant, I understand the lies we have been fed but dirty wars happened all the time, why would I sit here and cry about it? The point is that, I ended up as an American and I do not hate our country's past. Get over it dude, there's a lot more to worry about.
You claim to not be ignorant, but demonstrate that you were completely ignorant of the history of westward "expansion" [by conquest]. Who is crying? Just trying to provide you with an education you clearly lacked. Don't know why that'd make you so sad...
Nobody asked you to hate our country's past. But you'd do much better to understand our past, which you apparently do not. Grasping the seriousness of how historical events have gotten us to this point, is the most essential, important knowledge one could gain. Fixing elections doesn't help anything if that still ends up with allowing historically, politically ignorant people to make ill informed decisions. Education is the most important matter to worry about.
What was I ignorant about? I know about all the crimes, I simply just do not care. It is what it is, I am more concerned with what is happening now. I am totally chill, your the one crying about illegal warefare, like dude it was over a hundred years ago, what are you going to do? Go protest it?
For all we know, all of history is mostly lies, we don't truly know at this point, the main concern for all of us (you included whether you like it or not) is to stop the Great Reset from happening. Nothing else matters, that and your soul. I am not going to bitch about the war crimes of the past, and the false pretenses of past wars. We are living in the now, I am ready to deal with now problems. So as a minority, I don't really care. What is difficult to understand about that?
As a Californian, born and bred, I'm all about fighting to take back what is ours by right and drive out the domestic enemy.
There is no running away from the filth. they'll just follow and reinfect wherever you try to hide.
If you have the iron and grit to prevent them from reinfecting, then you have the iron and grit to force them OUT of where you are in the first place.
If you don't, and think running and hiding will save you, then you're already lost and wherever you go will also be ruined.
I admire your resolve. You should organize a Patriot invasion. I would consider leaving my Sweet Home Alabama if I could help.
I too am a CA native and share your sentiment. If your anywhere near Long Beach and ever need a fren hit me up.
They have been trying all my life and I am not young. Hope they get it done… right someday!
Should just call the abandoned section Commiefornia.
Hate to be the bearer of bad news, but the historical reality is that we (the USA) took Texas and California by means of illegal conquest, pushed and funded by those with aims to expand slavery (of blacks and whites). America, use infiltration and subversion to topple foreign government from within? Shocking! The reason why we got so good at it during much of the 20th Century, is because we had a lot of practice...
So what? Old history. Has no bearing on the discussion about moving to New California.
So what? History doesn't matter anymore? Sonoma Proclamation was cited as if it held some kind of authoritative status. It doesn't. Never did. As to "New California", good luck. There is a process dictated by the Constitution. Unless there is plan to abolish the Constitution, there won't be a "New California." However, Californians could and should retake control over their state.
No you are factually wrong that we took Cali and Tex by conquest. What we took by conquest was AZ and New Mex and paid mexico for those lands. Tex and Cali were sovereign nations that had declared independence before becoming US states. Yes Vali was done in a shorter time but it was not illegal. Also mexico had some .... how do I say it ... immigration problems
Wrong. Texas was legally part of Mexico, a sovereign nation only having recently gained its independence from Spain. While some Americans immigrated to Mexico (Texas) with good intentions, agreed to abide by Mexican law and did, many American trouble makers also went to Mexico (Texas), particularly with their slaves, in order to incite a rebellion and get Texians to break away from Mexico. War mongers. Filibusters. And it worked. Doesn't matter if some Texians "declared independence", their claims of having rights being "abused" were bogus. Pro-slavery powers got pissy because Mexico outlawed slavery, so they invented bullshit excuses to incite some locals and newly immigrated American "ex-pats" (in many cases, properly read "profiteers") to rebel against a lawful government. California was a similar case, with filibusters already anticipating Polk's illegal war with Mexico (itself an extension of the Texas "Revolution," similar to how the War of 1812 was more a less an extension of the American Revolution) and again inciting a small number of American "immigrants" to overthrow the Mexican government in California. Fremont knew the consequences, and wrote a letter of resignation from the US Army to avoid acquisitions of direct American instigation. But just like the New Orleans Grays at the Alamo and American "agents" in Cuba, the Philippines and Hawaii, it was quite obvious that Americans were there to ignite powder kegs, regardless of whether or not they were doing so under official government orders.
Polk's instigated war against Mexico was the failure of John Slidell to "purchase" California and what is now Arizona and New Mexico. And by purchase, I mean, claim that Mexico owed the US millions of dollars and that debt would be forgiven if Mexico turned over the land. Mexico of course refused. So Polk ordered Taylor to move US troops into the disputed Texas border territory (which even under the coerced treaty Texas signed with Santa Anna, was recognized as Mexican land) and boom, WE again instigated a war. Why? For territorial gain. Conquest. Why? Gold. Access to the Pacific. More land to expand slavery and for the slave powers to maintain/gain political control over the federal government (southern Democrats).
Yup, the US bullied Mexico and got Arizona, New Mexico and California as the result of a war of conquest. Only the southern portions were attained legally purchased, but by that point, what was Mexico going to do, try to defend itself again and lose another war? Btw, check out Mr. Gadsden, a shit of a fireating slaver.
Point is, the timeline of "Manifest Destiny" is quite long, and all of these events are connected, were planned and executed by powerful people behind the scenes, for their own benefit... casualties and destruction be damned.
There was a war and Mexico lost. Nothing illegal about that, and I am of Mexican origin.
A war that Polk illegally instigated, for the sole purpose of land conquest, to gain gold, trade route access and more potential slave territory. See Lincoln's speech in Congress condemning it. One of the best indictments of a president every made.
Again, hate to be the buzzkiller, but for most of the 19th Century, we were the baddies.
Don't care, I love my country and don't mind how we got this land.
I am proud of my home.
So you don't mind that your country bullied another country, essentially stealing land and resources? What's worse, stealing elections or stealing countries?
You don't mind that countless thousands and millions of well meaning Americans were duped into supporting the nefarious self-serving scheming of a small group of evil shitheads? I'm proud of my country too, but will condemn evil when there was evil.
Sounds more like you're just incredibly ignorant of some of the ugly parts of American History, and don't like having to come to grips with these uncomfortable truths which were kept hidden from you by your "history" propagandists...
Yup, I don't mind. Elections being stolen by masonic powers is way worse than a dirty war.
I am not ignorant, I understand the lies we have been fed but dirty wars happened all the time, why would I sit here and cry about it? The point is that, I ended up as an American and I do not hate our country's past. Get over it dude, there's a lot more to worry about.
You claim to not be ignorant, but demonstrate that you were completely ignorant of the history of westward "expansion" [by conquest]. Who is crying? Just trying to provide you with an education you clearly lacked. Don't know why that'd make you so sad...
Nobody asked you to hate our country's past. But you'd do much better to understand our past, which you apparently do not. Grasping the seriousness of how historical events have gotten us to this point, is the most essential, important knowledge one could gain. Fixing elections doesn't help anything if that still ends up with allowing historically, politically ignorant people to make ill informed decisions. Education is the most important matter to worry about.
What was I ignorant about? I know about all the crimes, I simply just do not care. It is what it is, I am more concerned with what is happening now. I am totally chill, your the one crying about illegal warefare, like dude it was over a hundred years ago, what are you going to do? Go protest it?
For all we know, all of history is mostly lies, we don't truly know at this point, the main concern for all of us (you included whether you like it or not) is to stop the Great Reset from happening. Nothing else matters, that and your soul. I am not going to bitch about the war crimes of the past, and the false pretenses of past wars. We are living in the now, I am ready to deal with now problems. So as a minority, I don't really care. What is difficult to understand about that?