Let this be a warning to all the people living in the area of the train derailment in Ohio and resulting fire of the PVC chemicals.
Many years ago my brother and I would be enjoying a few drinks together and we would begin the "I make more money then you routine". My brother always had a competitive nature. He told me many stories of the white cloud that filled the building where he worked.
He worked at a company that ground up PVC from many sources. (Milk crates, PVC tubing, transport boxes, scrap from auto industry) It would be ground up and recycled. He was the machine maintenance supervisor.
Most of the people that worked there were from the inner-city, loaded scrap into the machines, they didn't stay too long. My brother on the other hand was getting paid good money to keep the machines running. Unfortunately, we didn't know at the time his job was killing him.
He developed a brain tumor after working there for 10 years. Being in the medical field, I started doing research on the different treatments, surgical interventions that were available. I concentrated my efforts on natural cures after his surgery to remove the tumor. He actually was in remission for couple years after his surgery. However, neuroblastomas are a very aggressive form of cancer and eventually his brain cancer returned and killed him.
During my research I was also looking for common carcinogens that cause this type of brain cancer and what I found was, PVC was linked to brain cancers. This was aprox 10 years ago. There was not much data to be found at that time but I was confident his job killed him.
I think the company he worked for knew there was a connection but didn't say anything. They continued paying my brother full time wages and paid all of his insurance premiums while he was disabled and his family ended up with a large life insurance policy after his death. I think they feared being sued so they treated him well after he became ill.
Below is a article from the NIH about Vinyl Chloride. Notice in the first paragraph they say, "PVC is not a known or suspected carcinogen." However, two paragraphs down they say, "Vinyl chloride exposure is associated with an increased risk of a rare form of liver cancer (hepatic angiosarcoma), as well as primary liver cancer (hepatocellular carcinoma), brain and lung cancers, lymphoma, and leukemia.
If you are living in the area where this train derailed, GET THE HELL OUT NOW!!!
It seems there is a active cover-up going on, police are arresting reporters for talking about this incident. Here is a twitter thread talking about it.
https://twitter.com/FalconryFinance/status/1624725690070466565
The arrest of the reporter.
https://twitter.com/Stu02Duncan/status/1624751526911660033
Water poisoned.
https://twitter.com/FalconryFinance/status/1624591239067865088
Get out now!!
https://twitter.com/FalconryFinance/status/1624778493916753920
The cancers that will develop will be years in the future, this incident will be forgotten about by that time and the guilty parties will be long gone. Protect your families and move away.
Serious questions need answered. Burning cancer causing chemicals in open burn pits after the entire planet was mass vaccinated with mandated poisonous injections is very coincidental. One has to ask, are they redirecting their efforts to depopulate?
Sorry for your loss. Very difficult to watch someone go through cancer, or any illness.
There's a difference between vinyl chloride and PVC. In organic chemistry the halogen (chlorine) in vinyl chloride is very reactive. That's why it is carcinogenic. However PVC is just a bunch of carbons and is not very reactive at all.
You said your brother got brain cancer in a PVC plant. PVC comes from crude oil and is distillated into aromatic carbons which is very posioness and gets into the air easily if not contained. Thats why many perfumes are aromatic. Not sure the plant your bro dealt with solvents. But if it did, tjey should have been working under hoods or fume extracors or using respirators.
Cancer from long-term continuous exposure to PVC dust or fumes? I can see that but before you freak out about the pipes in your house I don't see the same risk from water flowing through PVC pipes or everyone and their brother would have had this cancer decades ago as we've been using those pipes for about half a century now in all new construction (cast iron is only used in custom applications these days.)
BTW I wasn't freaking out about pipes in peoples homes. I never said my brother got cancer from the plumbing in his home. What I said is he worked in a factory that grinded PVC. It was a warehouse with many machines that ground up plastic. He told me when the machines were running there was a cloud of white haze in the air. I never said beware of the pipes in your home.
PVC is only used to transport waste water away from your sinks and showers. Copper tubing is used to distribute water throughout your home.
Copper isn't used in residential applications here. Plastic Pex lines are used here. "PEX pipe is made from cross-linked HDPE (high density polyethylene). The HDPE is melted and continuously extruded into a tube to form a high-performing pipe suitable for a variety of potable and non-potable plumbing applications." Surely this isn't toxic long term. (Sarcasm implied)
Pex is a popular choice now instead of copper.
https://www.bobvila.com/articles/pex-pipe/
PVC supply lines are readily available at a homey depot near you!
PVC could not withstand the water pressure or the temperature changes in your hot water piping. They would fail over time.
not entirely true. PVC can withstand pressures and does. used for potable water although more frequently these days a polyethylene tubing is used which is surely of similar makeup but its more flexible and stronger against impacts. copper hardly used these days due to extreme cost and time required to properly join
While PVC is excellent for water service lines and DWV applications, it’s not recommended for hot-water distribution systems because it can only withstand temperatures up to 140℉.
https://www.ppfahome.org/blogpost/1851733/345598/Plastic-Pipe-101-CPVC-vs-PVC-vs-PEX#:~:text=While%20PVC%20is%20excellent%20for,no%20more%20than%20140%E2%84%89.
Its mostly plastic now which is gross
Do we trust articles from the NIH?
I bet you can find a medical study linking cancer to water.
Because medical studies are garbage.
Dyhydrogen Monoxide is linked to ALL lethal cancers.
BAN DIHYDROGEN MONOXIDE NOW
Curious, is this a conservative area? Republican?
Very good question, look here.
https://greatawakening.win/p/16aADjWj7Y/
Yes. A pretty red area around Akron. Used to be a very white area too.
Curious, how did you select your username? Part of it is part of my name.
In my spare time I paint and draw on site, outdoors ... and those are cool dogs.
Yes, very cool dogs. Love that you have a nice hobby like that. Cheers
Very sorry for your loss. I guess DeWine figures he'll be out of the picture before the cancers start showing up although as fast as reports are saying this stuff works........ good luck with that Mike. Absolutely moronic OR evil to have burned the stuff.
What’s worse is that it’s right on the border with Pennsylvania, so the response of Ohio will have direct consequences to Pennsylvania, very tricky situation
Yeah, I’d be more concerned about western PA.
Very sorry to hear about the loss of your sibling.
The department head at my last job (software engineer at UCLA school of medicine) died of the same thing. Maybe him being a radiologist had something to do with his illness...
Sorry to hear. There were also studies on stomach cancer and men, finding working in nickel factories were the cause. Well years later they're using it in female medical devices, NOT doing pre nickel allergy tests nor informing women and when we get cancer "not relevent". Grinds my gears
A lot of companies with hazardous materials have taken to using temp labor and day labor workers in the most hazardous jobs. Being a garbage man is very hazardous and most of it is now picked up by machine from the cab, but there are still some areas with a traditional crew of driver and dumpers.
PVC,(poly vinyl chloride), when molded exhausts a dangerous irritant. When molding pvc products, we would have to vent the machines to the outside to prevent contaminating the air inside the plant.