It's important to not push fake stories, because they rightfully destroy our credibility.
*Jovan Hutton Pulitzer's take: https://rumble.com/v2bcpge-madness-in-maricopa-the-curious-cases-of-john-thaler-and-cartel-collusion.html
*Robert Barnes also said it looked like BS on Viva and Barnes a couple weeks ago.
I think I recall Jovan Hutton Pulitzer not coming through on his big election fraud booms. After being a total flop and disappointment, he seems to like picking fights too. He falsely claimed Dr. David Clements as being a convicted felon and then posted Clements personal cell phone. Why would he do that? Since then, Pulitzer has posted voicemails and screenshots, including their phone numbers, of people sending him texts attempting to reestablish some sanity in him. Pulitzer's feud threatened the cohesion of election fraud movement apart.
Why is Pulitzer casting shade on J. Thaler now? How does he know anything? Pulitzer hasn't produced a damn thing about election fraud that I know of. The big brouhaha about markings on ballots in Arizona. How many millions of dollars were needlessly spent on a scanning show? Was this central to the AZ election fraud? No, I don't think so. Did it help us prove there was election fraud. No. It did not.
All I can ask is where the hell has Jovan Hutton Pulitzer been. Now, he reappears for this?
IMHO, J. Thuler's documents will be vetted by another party. It may be by the direction of the AZ Senate themselves. Any talk right now about Thuler's documents all being fraud are reckless opinions lacking the documents to prove other.
I posted the Pulitzer video because I couldn't find the exact timestamp of Robert Barnes discussing why this story had very low credibility. (Pulitzer and Cyberninjas did a good job with the audit, but Karen Fann made people water down the conclusions of the audit. Remember Bill Gates deleting subpoena'd materials, Brnovich not going after people deleting election data, and Maricopa County not delivering the Splunk Logs)
*If I can find the Barnes video, I'll send it to you.
**The important point is that Thaler made big claims that should be able to be corroborated. However it's been a while, and I haven't seen any credible people endorsing his claims.
And Karen Fann was retiring after she got a sweetheart deal. Her husband was given the contract for maintaining the AZ highways..... It appeared to be just given to him.
I agree. Since we have no other alternative to wait and see, we need to be careful of the public influencers, especially when they have none of the documents. In time, we'll learn about Thaler's research and its authenticity of documents.
Fair enough, I agree. (I'd change my title to "I'd be hesitant to believe this story" rather than "it's false")
*I'd still be wary it's a "poison the well" scenario, tho.
**And I wouldn't pin your hopes on this story either. (like the Brunson Brothers case)
We're good. Continue being vigilant, soldier. Now get up in that watch tower.
Note--this is always wrong--Karen's ex husband-several years ago they divorced-her ex runs a very successful business--I live 15 miles from her and 5 miles away from ex husband I do believe she accepted a similar deal offered to Kary Lake--- Very disappointed
Do you have any evidence of this "deal"? Otherwise, your belief hearsay. Living 15 miles from her and 5 miles from her ex-hubby is inferring that you know them personally and are friends. I'm reading beyond this and "believe" you don't know them nor do you know Catherine (not "Karen"). For you to say you "believe" Catherine accepted a "deal". is inappropriate and slanderous.
Personally I have thought for a while now that Jovan is controlled opposition and a grifter.
We all know corruption and bribery is real. To what extent and whether it's all cartel related, I have no idea but to dismiss it and call it fake is a little suspicious IMO.
She got the boot is all I needed
The boot appears real, but that specific story appears completely fabricated.
*Note: Katie is 100% a criminal, and rigged that election. (Maricopa County shrank ballots in republican areas -> ballots rejected -> gop ballots are "duplicated" and "counted" offsite -> Maricopa County "can't find" the original gop ballots)
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I'm not sure if I believe Thaler, but after watching Jovan lie in this interview, I certainly do not trust Jovan. They did not contact the AZ AG. Jacqueline stated under testimony that they contacted Governor Doucy. Thaler was then told by Doucy that he had notified AG Brnovich. Jovan apparently did not listen to testimony, or he is simply a liar.
I didnt miss anything and the jury is still out. Proclaiming it fake on Jovans Pulitzers word is hilariously deluded.
I just dont get why everyone is so inclined to make determinative proclamations on so little evidence. I am not willing to believe this cartel story is fake and neither am I willing to claim it as real. This is a psychological war and too many of us are quick to jump right into the enemies traps. They think us stupid and foolish and OP is proving them correct.
The Judge that has his case in Family Court, has done the complete opposite with Thaler's case, than in a case than I have personal knowledge of and also against the 20+ years of Maricopa County doing nothing in Family Court but waste time/money and do not stray from 50% custody unless one of the parents is in jail. Thaler seems to have not seen his 3 year-old son in several years and this Judge in Family Court has not ordered it. Either Thaler is crazy and even then this Judge would still allow him to see his kid or Thaler started digging due to the Judge and Family Court which led him down a rabbit hole.
This is why the white hats need to expose the truth. So that we don't have to speculate about boots, cartels, and brain cancer. Spill the beans. If we "have it all", then show it.
That story had a lot of credibility to it, so it seemed.
We don't all have time to track down everything we see or hear to find out if it's actually true.
Yeah, the type of cartel corruption/infiltration are 100% real. (That's why the story was initially compelling)
*I'm just making sure you guys don't try to redpill your friends with this.
Yup and it's good to learn to be conservative about sharing material. More often than not I've been burned by it.
IMHO, I'm reserving judgment on J. Thuler's documents. These documents will be vetted by another party. It may be by the direction of the AZ Senate themselves. Any talk right now about Thuler's documents all being fraud are reckless opinions lacking the documents to prove other.
Jovan Hutton Pulitzer has not ever come through on his big election fraud booms. After being a total flop and disappointment, he seems to like picking fights too. He falsely claimed Dr. David Clements as being a convicted felon and then posted Clements personal cell phone. Why would he do that? Since then, Pulitzer has posted voicemails and screenshots, including their phone numbers, of people sending him texts attempting to reestablish some sanity in him. Pulitzer's feud threatened the cohesion of election fraud movement at an untimely juncture.
Concerning Greg Phillips, I'm reserving judgment on those that are attempting to discredit him as being shill. It seems a little while ago a hit piece was done on Sidney Powell and Rudy Guiliani to discredit them as well. Much of what has been presented on Phillips seems based on 'guilt by association', which isn't ever admissible evidence. Katherine Engelbrecht and 'True the Vote' was raked over the coals during the Obama Administration by Lois Lerner and the IRS. Did you know she fairly recently won her case against the Lois Lerner IRS? Lawfare is very effective for halting any momentum for revealing the truth. Somehow, I don't see Katherine as part of a conspiracy, especially being imprisoned for not revealing their source. Or do I feel the same with any of these other people. I'm hoping in time the truth, and nothing but the truth, is revealed for all to see.
With regards to the Jovan Hutton Pulitzer article: I'm sorry, but DailyDot is not remotely credible.
Here's a few DailyDot articles written by the same author: "Claire Gilfoyle"
*Here's the author simping for Nikki Haley https://www.dailydot.com/debug/nikki-haley-might-be-the-most-moderate-republican-left/
*Here's the author denegrating Kristina Karamo:https://www.dailydot.com/debug/michigan-gop-chair-kristina-karamo-conspiracy-theories/
*It's theoretically possible that the Katie Hobbs story is true, but Thaler made verifiable claims, but it's been days and no one's corroborated it.
**It's the kind of story leftists would plant to poison the well. As such, I would be HIGHLY skeptical, and would not redpill your friends with it.
Very well. We'll call DailyDot not credible, but just as it is with Fake News pearls of truth are reported. In this case the information provided there is indeed verifiable and accurate. Here is a verifying source and another. There are several others as well.
We see the same thing with Rudy Guiliani, Sidney Powell, Mike Lindell, and more. Even the complete declassification of the JFK documents haven't been fully disclosed after their declass time limit has come and gone.
All of this suggests there's something more going on. We are not privy to it. And like you, I am frustrated by it. They say the wheels of justice move very slowly. I might add so slowly that I think it is facetiously used. J. Thaler has purportedly several years of research in this case and the documents number in the several hundreds... maybe thousands. There has hardly been enough time to verify their authenticity, no? Who is verifying it? We haven't even heard any word from the AZ Senate, to which these documents were submitted to.
Exactly. In the end, that is pretty much our only option. I do see waves of narratives that appear for discrediting those [people] fighting on the front line. There's always the possibility of 'group think' forming that sway people against those that are perhaps innocent. Using circumstantial evidence and hearsay is not ever legitimate in any of this. Yet, this is what often is presented. It's best to recognize it and call it out. This is actually how the enemy causes division in the ranks and it festers to a point that you have another Reddit or a 4-CHAN.... a hellhole out of control.
Except this isn't comparable to "pgate" stuff or hearsay. This from Jovan Hutton Pulitzer isn't credible simply because Pulitzer doesn't have access to any of the documents. I don't know about Pulitzer, but why is presenting this and why did he attack Dr. Clements alleging he was a convicted felon? Then on top of this posting his cell phone number? It raises some questions about his character, no?
All true. Thanks for the perspective.
Thanks for the update. I bought the original story hook, line and sinker.
We need to get the back-office crooks that are controlling the flow of election fraud payments.