As a father of an active duty US service member, seeing the new slant here towards loving and defending all things Russia, including over our own American military has been VERY sad to see. Is it time for me to leave?
Supporting our US boys and girls does not equal supporting the current administration.
I’ve been in this movement since year one. This is a very new direction here and I can’t support it. I was skeptical of Clandestine and his love for Russia and clear disdain for the US and US military from the beginning. There may be some truth to some things he says, but his agenda is becoming clearer.
I’m not trying to cause a split or rift, so if I don’t come back I wish you all the best and leave this advice. Be careful who you believe and follow. Remember you don’t know who any of these accounts really are or what their motives may be.
I'm going to mod flex a little here, being as you drew the character of the entire site into the discussion.
Its not that anons are "pro russia". We are pro truth. We are pro traditional western freedoms. In the USA we are Constitutionalists. NATO is currently aligned against that. Do we blindly follow NATO/WEF/Globalists? Eat ze bugs, own nothing, be happy?
Or do we fight for freedom? And if Russia works as a tool to that end, so be it. That is NOT saying the same thing as, we'd rather live in Russia under Putin. Although I think many are happy to live and let live with Russia.
I've also never seen anyone here denigrate the US military, which makes your entire post a little sus. We actually LOVE our frogs who serve. People who serve are not the people who are making geopolitical decisions.
Why are YOU so pro Ukraine? Why do you apparently want to see our sons and daughters die for them? Do you think NATO countries don't participate in propaganda? Do you think Zelensky is a legitimate leader? Do you think so many politicians have family working in high places in Ukrainian corporations is coincidence?
When are YOU going to wake up? When are YOU going to get tired of the bullshit? When everything is taken from you? When you own nothing? While you are eating your bugs?
With all due respect, you seem to be over-reacting and being a bit dramatic. So, some people believe there is more to the Ukraine - Russia conflict than what the msm lets on. That doesn't mean they are prepared to pay obeisance to Russia or Putin. Is this the ONLY thing you see here with which you disagree? Like any community, I'm sure there is lots of disagreement amongst people. If you can't handle that, or if you believe it to be detrimental to you and yours in some way, then perhaps for your own peace of mind, it is better to leave. But that seems rather small minded and if you are old enough to have a child in the military, you have lived long enough to be strong enough to endure disagreement. Just my two cents. Either way, good luck.
The US dept of Defense was involved with developing Corona as a biological weapon. The Pentagon has secret bio-labs (for peaceful purposes of course) all around the world. The US armed forces told their members to get vaccinated or be fired.
You don't have to be pro-Russia if you're against the things mentioned above.
And being against the things above are NOT anti-US service members.
Quite the contrary - we want a strong country with a strong military that serves to protect freedom, and doesn’t send our men and women to die to fight proxy wars on behalf of and in service of corrupt politicians and government bodies that are just trying to protect themselves.
Sometimes group think takes over briefly and everyone echoes each other for a bit, but this is generally a very truth-based, research-oriented place where important details are found because of our reflex to question everything.
Ukraine is in the spotlight because there is such a thick, easily disputed narrative being pushed, and that narrative has the propensity to get our military hurt. We don’t want that anymore than you do. But that doesn’t necessarily translate to being pro-Putin, beyond simply wanting to see false narratives exposed wherever, and however, they come about.
You took the words right out of my mouth...
People are so pro Russian here that it’s hard to even bring up that Russians are extremely well versed and experienced with infiltrating and controlling right wing Christian spaces. Russian troll farms at one point ran 19 of the 20 biggest Christian groups on Facebook. Posts that are very obviously from Russian propaganda do extremely well here. At least some of the user base should scratch their heads at this.
I mean Russia did write the book on propaganda, intelligence and psyops. Or at least they were certainly more adept at applying it then their Western counterparts. That’s why the KGB ran rings around Western Intelligence for most of the Cold War. In fact We still don’t know the full extent of the KGB infiltration and intelligence networks. That sort of experience, connections and skill doesn’t just disappear with a name change and political tweaks.
It’s amazing how many people forget that. Or don’t think that the Russians wouldn’t employ those tactics and skills against Western Civilian populations again.
Not that they need to make any real effort to make Biden and Company look incompetent, stupid, and dangerous.
It makes my head spin that no one around here seems to think that Russia, of all god damn countries, wouldn’t push massive quantities of propaganda out during this war, they are the absolute best at it, bar none. It’s possible to not root for either side in a war as well. Idk.
Russia are the best at it, bar none?
I think the CIA and the CCP will disagree with you.
I have disagreed with many people here and have never had an issue with the disagreements. I love debate. The big issue for me is the admin and moderators here directing things toward Russia. When is the last time there was a pro US or US military link pinned? Every day there is a new pro Russia link and/or US military undermining post pinned. We aren’t having a neutral debate anymore. We are being shepherded and I can’t go along.
With all due respect have there been any 'Significant' US military MSM stories/events that we could link here?... I Personally am Pro Putin because of what he is doing...He's been transparent from the beginning concerning the SMO...He's telling the Truth about the 'Degradation of the West"...surely you can see that....Lastly being Pro Russian doesn't mean we are Anti-American...At all...
There has been plenty of posts around Trump supporting US troops etc. and also how the current administration is leaving them high and dry.
I see. Thank you for explaining further. I haven't noticed that, but I am not as connected to the US Military as you are. Perhaps I would agree if I were. Having said that, the US Military (top brass, not necessarily the soldiers) have not exactly been covering the corps with glory in the past couple of years. So much so that those who would generally be quite likely to join, have refrained. So the admins not pushing more for the US military probably has something to do with that. And that is not to say there aren't good examples of great things the US military is doing, but maybe the admins need to work harder to find those. Examples of woke-ism in our military are rife (and disturbing.) The fact that Putin and Russia have apparently moved toward the more traditional, conservative, even Christian viewpoint is encouraging to many. My personal take is that I love our country and want to see us get back on the right track. But if we've gone off the rails, that behavior should be called out. If another country, one for many decades considered our arch enemy is actually turning and becoming more like we used to be, than that is something to notice and appreciate. Again, just my two cents.
I do like the Christian principles and I imagine I honestly have more in common with a Christian in Russia than a woke liberal here, but this is our country. In my opinion it’s our duty to make things better here and not jump to support the side of another country that has a history of opposing us. Particularly one that has threatened and has the ability to harm our soldiers, family and friends on a massive scale. The video Putin shared not long ago of Russia nuking Florida was a direct threat to all Americans. I don’t forget or take kindly to people threatening those I love.
All the best fren.
I understand, but what has OUR military done to its own? OUR own politicians and our OWN military leaders have done far more to harm the soldiers and underlings than Putin ever has. Threats are just words. But actual actions have consequences.
We have good generals and leaders all over the US military, including many more that are retired and still fighting. General Flynn, his brother, McInerney, Vallely are just a few that are very public. Painting the entire US military leadership with a broad stroke as being harmful to US soldiers and the support your comment is getting here reinforces my decision tremendously. Thank you.
You’ll find me on the side of the US military and under the U.S. flag.
Good luck taking any other side.
The whole purpose of q was to cause people to question and think critically. Just because someone finds fault with something, that doesn't mean they are abandoning ship and becoming a turncoat. I admire anyone who is willing to join the military; the discipline it takes, the courage, the willingness to die if necessary. But those are the little guys - the ones who have very little say in 'operations.' They are the real heros. But the fatcats who make the decisions to send them to war - (in foreign conflicts we have no business getting involved in in the first place,) and to do so for -- ALWAYS -- "MONEY" are evil. I have no problem calling them out for what they are. That doesn't mean I'm abandoning my country or hate all service personnel. Quite the opposite. I champion them while deriding their evil leaders. I hate what is being done TO them (being forced vaxxed against their will, as an example) by those at the top who make decisions that benefit them personally, They seem to have no conscience about sending young men to their deaths or destruction. That is what I am against. Not my country. But some of those who have managed to acquire the power to make decisions that destroy.
Who's more likely to harm a US military member? Russia? Or US generals and politicians?
I know who harmed me.
My thoughts exactly.
^ This 💯
Look at it this way...All the people pushing this war are the same people that have been attacking trump endlessly...
I agree. I am 100% against the war. Taking a side of the war does not equal opposing the war.
So use that logic on what we are saying. Taking a side against those who use their power to destroy our servicemen does not equal opposing our country. Do you see that now?
This movement wants to end war, 'cause it's all a scam where your son or daughter's blood is traded for the politician's benefit. You are equating our disgust for the fact that politicians are perfectly happy to send your kids to put through the meat grinder with being against the individuals that make up our armed forces.
Exposing the bioweapons labs partnership between our corrupt goverzilla and the Khazarians is not supporting Russia, it's showing the world that Russia had no choice but to respond. If you truly have been a part of this movement since day one you would know that Ukraine, and the bolshevik scum running it, are the same trash running America.
Bioclandestine has been proven right about the biolabs.
The truth is not an agenda.
Feel free to yank your head out of your ass.
👆👆👆 That's another excellent way to put it....🙏
The Q operation is about researching our own truths. Putin is taking out the deep state cabal, along with Trump, and others worldwide. Our US military leadership had some very bad actors, directing our military to do things that are not in the interest of the American people, but in the interest of the cabal. Putin is dismantling the cabal in his area, including the bioweapon labs our DoD / Pentagon / Biden have established along their border. Everyone is on their own timeline of awakening. And the news/events coming are going to be shocking to many. Especially if you believe Putin/Russia are the bad actors in this movie. And I love my country, not my govt, and yes, I am a veteran.
Have you researched Putin’s past? How he came to be in power? If he’s the savior of humanity then I would think it’s our due diligence to discuss things like the false flag apartment bombings he conducted to get into the Chechen wars, if that’s who’s running the war agains the cabal, we’re replacing one evil for another.
I think there are very few people here who trust Putin 100%. He is still KGB.
Q even said that if a civil war broke out in the US, both Russia and China would feed the conflict. Even Q is aware that Russia is an ally currently, but might not be in the future.
At the moment Russia is seen as friendly by many, because we have a common enemy. The enemy of my enemy is my friend. Doesn't mean you have to become BFFs and have full trust in eachother.
Hank is indeed dank.
I was surprised this nickname was still available :P
Of course I know this. I served during the cold war, 1985-1993. What is important now is his riddance of the Bolsheviks from his country and his defining Russia as a Christian nation. His cooperation in ridding the cabal from power. His restraint as the deep state is trying to start WW3. That's what we should notice...what is he doing NOW, not decades ago. The puppeteers are going out, His strings have been cut, and he seems to be working with Trump to take out the deep state.
Perhaps, I do know for a fact, that Russian propagandists know what the Christian Right wants, they know how you think and what you’ll believe and when, anyone doubting for a second that Russians won’t lie about doing all the above on the internet where they know you’ll find it, is intentionally ignoring russias many years of doing just that. I cant be more clear about their specialty in fooling the exact specific demographic this website caters to the most. Know your weaknesses, because other people whose job and career path is to control what you think, already do. With this advice, im done posting for a while. Good luck and god speed ya’ll.
Would you rather face down an in-your-face, straightforward, known evil, or a hidden, insidious evil that most people are completely unaware of?
Talking about Putin’s KGB past and history of having political opposition meet Convenient accidents isn’t something that’s a popular topic here.
Though to be fair. Assassinations, Banishing and Disappearing rivals has been standard practice in Russian politics since the Tsars.
... Don't you mean nearly every nation's politics since when?
A bit biased to point out "xyz bad things" and attribute them to one country when the US has a storied history of the exact same accusations.
I mean I was just pointing out the observation that it was standard practice for Russian politics. Nowhere did I insinuate other countries didn’t do it.
Your the one who assigned that context to it.
Well when you specifically mention one nation by name, then reinforce that singularity with a historical reference...
And umm no, I simply stated that figuratively all countries are guilty of what you espoused.... Pointing out what your comment failed to do and lambasting the implied point of "muh Russia bad"
Fren we can barely keep up with the Clinton body count!
One of the rare times a politician was caught red handed conducting a false flag, against his own people no less. And nobody here has ever discussed it that I’ve seen. The guy would kill every person that posts on this board if it might further his own goals even slightly.
Serious question. Do you think Biden or Clinton are any different?
I have to wonder, what is the truth about anything we’ve been told about Russia? Were they a prop in the fictional stories most of the media portrays to start war and conflicts the elite profit from? things that make you go hmmmmm.
having read quite a bit Russian history, it is my take that The Clintons and their ilk know that for decades Americans were taught (programmed) to dislike and distrust the USSR so they use (and build on) that programming because it is convenient to do so. had it been another country that we had been programmed against I expect that they would be using that country as their foil.
And knowing is half the battle! Hums in GI Joe
Good point fren. American children have been targeted by political propaganda since at least the 80s via weaponized entertainment media.
The US installed the C.I.A. with Poppy Bush. Russia countered with KGB head as pres..
Soros team created/captured both. One seems to maybe have escaped and passed the football. ie: Things have changed.
Russia is a territory. It's people diverse. It's rulers corrupt as power will do to people.
For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places.
It's a Global struggle. All sides in multiple civil wars with too many sent to senseless deaths as instrument of Global Depopulation.
Same as it ever was.
Seeing only opposites creates a dichotomy to be taken in advantage by the cabal as has been the case in history. Zeno's Parable/Hegelian Dialectic.
We still say 'eastern' and 'western' countries don't we? East and west of what?
Why? Old habits die hard.
Yesterday, I watched a traitor in high military garb of high office give his support for the nazis in the Ukraine against the Russians. Anyone waving that flag is sharing a foxhole with team trannie and their globalist agenda. My enemy's enemy is my friend, at least until the firing is over. Allegiances shouldn't be to pure symbols, but to what is behind. Anyone misrepresenting it should be dealt with. And this will be their downfall as well. Manipulation of symbols they don't really understand fully but force others to react to. Things have changed and things must continue to change in many ways.
Twists and double-twists makes score keeping now more difficult than ever, as allegiances flip, deals made and attempted and the handwriting on the wall (truth as optic) finally materializes.
The 'truth' is here, like it is everywhere. Scattered in pieces.
You need to stay. You need to learn about the military industrial complex corruption that is behind the "hate Russia" narrative. You need to learn about NATO violating international treaties to antagonize Russia, and jeopardize their national security. You need to learn about Syria, and Hillary Clinton needing war with Russia to get her oil pipeline built. ...
You, especially, need to learn a hell of lot about what our corrupt, and wicked western leaders have been doing, and are continuing to do in Ukraine, lest you fall victim to domestic propaganda that has you cheering for your own son's deployment to fight an unjust war that our own corrupt politicians (military industrial complex) instigated for their personal gain and profit.
What you need to realize is that there is an infiltrating deep state, globalist banking cartel backed 2nd shadow government pulling the strings of US politicians and intel and military. We’re against that. This influence is worldwide and is trying to do the same thing to Russia and other countries. We are against that. The Ukraine is not in the interest of the USA it is in the interest of the global cabal. We are fighting that and the leadership involved in making this crisis happen. They are taking us to WWIII. Unfortunately this integrated cabal has hands in our cia, our military and they use our good soliders to execute on their global cabal plans.
Russia is fighting the deep state and that is good, it’s an affliction tearing us apart. The deepstate is hiding inside our borders and inside our perimeter. It’s going to be messy to cut out this cancer.
Russia has made decisions to draw the line in the sand to oppose them. Their banking, their energy. Their belief in the power of strong family. It’s hard not to root for someone who is basically trying to save you.
No one cheering Russia is against the Real USA, they are against the international infiltrators among us.
Very well stated.
I take offense at your insinuations. This is either an incredibly and willfully obtuse reading of the room or a psyop.
What exactly is this movement you claim to be in? It certainly doesn't appear to be the Great Awakening.
When did the Great Awakening start depending on taking the side of Russia in all areas? Somebody should inform General Flynn and McInerney.
Are you discussing Ukraine and Russia?
If we all agreed with everyone/everything this forum would be as useful as tits on a bull. The vast majority here DO support our military guys and gals, but not the military bullshit that they have no control over. People vs. actions are totally separate. As far as Russia/Putin: there is MUCH info as to why he is preferred. Whatever MSM, Biden, Congress Critters, etc. "hate" it's a pretty good indicator that the opposite is true. The purpose here is to provide "tools" to help others research and question sources to enable one to form THEIR OWN OPINION and to question everything. I find value in that. You may not. And that's okay. With or without, GAW will continue...to "cleave to the good and abhor that which is evil"
I guess I'm seeing things a bit differently as you are. As an American veteran I do now and will always support our troops. The TV generals and the other political people in the DoD, I do not support at all. These traitors are fast marching us into WWIII for their agenda. The same was done in WWI and WWII and I pray that sanity will prevail this go round.
But as far a Russia goes, I do not look at them as an enemy, merely because the MSM and deep state pols tell me I must. They are a competitor but not an enemy. When I served in the USN, it was the Soviets that were the enemy, not so much Russians. And yes, there is a distinction. Soviets were communists.
Putin isn't a communist and I can actually prove that fairly easily. The communists were atheists and opposed to any religion because they wanted the state to have supremacy over all. Under Putin's leadership there has been something in the neighborhood of 30k churches built in Russia. This mean one of two things; 1. Putin is not a communist or 2. Putin is a communist but he isn't very good at it.
I also believe that President Trump and Putin are working together to bring the deep state down. At this time Putin and Russia are doing their part in the overall plan and at great cost in blood and treasure.
The notion that we have to always believe the Russians are our enemy is absurd. It's a construct of the deep state faggots and is propagated by the MSM. A little history lesson for anyone interested. Czar Alexander II dispatched the Russian fleets to New York and San Francisco during the civil war; they were under the control of President Lincoln. Alexander did this in order to keep the French and mainly the British out of the war. Both the British and French were rather happy about the continuation of the war as they saw a weakened America was of benefit to themselves. Alexander II was deeply opposed to slavery.
The Russians also helped during the American Revolution. These two events are why the Crown through their proxy, the bolsheviks, assassinated the Tsar and his family.
I like Russia.
I like Borscht AND Solyanka!
IMO you should stay. You've simply noticed a trend with a few mods and power posters here.
It's the same trend in a sense as this example: One or two mods and their cheerleaders here post the same ol' PAYtriot garbage a la Juan O Bullshillin, George News, Charlie Ward, etc.
The vast majority of the research movement doesn't believe these charlatans, same as most here would choose patriotism over supporting any other country militarily.
However, the topic you bring up does have many good talking and view points considering that collectively the West & NATO have played the role as bad actors in the Ukraine since before the conflict began a decade ago. This doesnt mean anons don't support their own country. It simply means we have dug deep enough to ascertain who the aggressor is in this war.
There is a huge difference between "loving" and having a healthy respect for another nuclear capable nation. Both want, or in our case, should want what is in their countries' best interest and to protect their citizens. Having that healthy respect is how these countries will continue to live in peace. I do not "love" Russia, I do respect their capabilities and potential for unparalleled destruction. It's the MSM that has labeled anyone who holds that view as a "Putin-lover", which, at least for me, is inaccurate and misleading. Your post is thought provoking. I appreciate your advice. I hope you decide to stay with the GA community and defend your views. I believe open and honest expression is never wrong.
Ukraine. is closing churches... Ukraine has biolabs... Ukraine traffics children... Get your loved ones out of the military...
For the record, half of the people here, don’t even listen to clandestine. I could care less what he has to say about anything for that matter. If you’re going to leave a forum, because of some people, who post clandestine some of the time, then you’re missing the mark.
Seriously… You need to grow a thicker skin, and discard the posts and comments that you don’t agree with. I’m actively being stalked right now, and I’ve been threatened with being doxxed because I went to January 6. I’m not leaving, and neither should you. Do not let your voice be silenced.
Pick and choose what you want to read, and or comment on. And then move on. There’s way too much good stuff happening here, for you to end it all because you have a child that’s in the Armed Forces.
There are 2 kinds of pro-Russia narratives hitting these kinds of forums.
The first is the kind trying to keep up with events and expresses a kind of admiration for a state they see as trying to do the right thing in contrast to a state they see as trying to do the wrong thing. These could be genuine. Who knows anymore?
The second is glowie shit-posts trying to degrade and antagonize America, they present themselves as of the truth movement, but when you catch a few really egregious glowers in the flow it puts the rest of them in perspective as far as intent goes.
The 2nd kind is likely DerpState ops trying to antagonize people like you, not necessarily you, into a specific camp of thinking. Which posts like yours, are either examples of it working, or some kind of supporting post to their desired effect.
From Q Drop 4620:
Yes, but also, disinformation is nessisary.
Yada Yada Yada.
The point is that we can't know if that drop is true or not. Could have been for the cabal. You can't tell me Q posting stuff on a public board wasn't being looked at by those working for the cabal.
The leading text of that long drop is
I’m glad someone else has noticed this. Are there Q posts that explicitly state that Russia and Putin are the saviors of humanity or something? It’s a strange narrative that I have not been able to understand. This seems to be the most pro Russian website I have ever been to by a wide margin.
"What if China, RUSSIA, and others are coordinating w/ POTUS to eliminate the NWO?"