Final Part 6:
Mr. Jekielek:
Forgive me for harping on these patents. From what I understand, a lot of people have used your formula and you’re not collecting on this.
Ms. Hazan:
No, I’m not. Basically, I wanted to show that there was a woman behind all this, first of all. That’s why we patented it, because too often in science, we women do not get to be shown. That was the first thing.
The second thing, it was my donation to humanity. It was like a mark in history, being on the right side of history. To me, that was more important. Listen, forget collecting on the patents and making these patents. The spending on all this research, it’s in the millions. It’s my savings. It was my retirement. Basically, I felt like this was something I needed to do.
It was my way to show people that if you do good, goodness comes back. How thankful am I that I’ve been fine this whole pandemic, that my family’s been fine, and that nobody died from Covid. Nobody had long haul, or problems from vaccines. If you do good, good comes back. Health is the most important thing that we can have.
That’s why I stepped into this. That’s why I stepped into the microbiome. I could have developed a commercial test like uBiome years ago, when I first started. I could say, “Here’s a commercial test,” and sell it all around the world. Until I understand the microbiome, I don’t want to be selling crap, because we are in the field of crap—pardon my language.
When you’re in that world, you want to make sure that what you’re selling is real, is good, and it changes people. If this is the direction we’re going as scientists, we have to be careful with how we’re doing it, because these are still microbes.
There’s a ton of microbes in our guts that could potentially annihilate humanity. We have to be very careful with this technology. We have to be very careful with the manipulations of the microbiome and thinking that one microbe is the solution to people, because we could create a resistant bug down the road.
To answer your question about the patent; yes, at the beginning it was an idea to start a pharmaceutical. Look, I put it all very transparently on ClinicalTrials.gov. I didn’t need to put up hydroxy/azithromycin, vitamin C, D, and zinc, or ivermectin/doxycycline, vitamin C, D, and zinc.
I put it up very transparently, because I wanted as many doctors around the world to see what I was thinking. What really happened, which was kind of funny, is that I created ProgenaBiome as a healthcare revolution, like it says on the logo, “The quest for a healthcare revolution.”
What I realized along the path with this whole pandemic is that I’ve accomplished what I wanted, which was a healthcare revolution in a way, by having doctors really see what’s going on in healthcare and why we are not advancing.
Think about it, since the development of monoclonal antibodies, we’ve been stagnant. We’re not discovering as much. There are so many drugs, there are so many protocols that are just never seeing the light of day. Being in the clinical trial business, I’ve seen a lot of protocols that were just amazing and never really made it to market.
Some things have to change in the field to bring these forward. From what I’ve learned from all this is that there is corruption, where the one with the most money is playing the stock, playing the research, and interfering with research.
To me, interference with research should never happen. The fact that somebody is trying to kill one protocol by one company should have never happened. We should have been able to finish these protocols. We should have had the same opportunity, and we shouldn’t have them branded to be bad drugs.
Because at the end of the day, think about it, hydroxychloroquine is given to thousands of lupus patients and arthritis patients, and ivermectin was given for babies with scabies. Come on. You’re going to tell me that they are dangerous for a person that’s dying with an oxygen level of 63 percent? Come on.
If that person is dying, doesn’t want to go to the hospital and wants to take 36 milligrams of ivermectin, we should be able to give it to them. They should have the right to take whatever they want. To me, this became not only a revolution, but about freedom of choice. To me, this was, “Why am I being told what to put in my body? I know my body better than anybody.” That’s it. That has been my path.
Mr. Jekielek:
Dr. Sabine Hazan, it’s such a pleasure to have you on the show.
Ms. Hazan:
Thank you. Thank you very much.
Mr. Jekielek:
Thank you all for joining Dr. Sabine Hazan and me on this episode of American Thought Leaders. I’m your host, Jan Jekielek.
This interview has been edited for clarity and brevity.
Final Part 6: Mr. Jekielek: Forgive me for harping on these patents. From what I understand, a lot of people have used your formula and you’re not collecting on this.
Ms. Hazan: No, I’m not. Basically, I wanted to show that there was a woman behind all this, first of all. That’s why we patented it, because too often in science, we women do not get to be shown. That was the first thing.
The second thing, it was my donation to humanity. It was like a mark in history, being on the right side of history. To me, that was more important. Listen, forget collecting on the patents and making these patents. The spending on all this research, it’s in the millions. It’s my savings. It was my retirement. Basically, I felt like this was something I needed to do.
It was my way to show people that if you do good, goodness comes back. How thankful am I that I’ve been fine this whole pandemic, that my family’s been fine, and that nobody died from Covid. Nobody had long haul, or problems from vaccines. If you do good, good comes back. Health is the most important thing that we can have.
That’s why I stepped into this. That’s why I stepped into the microbiome. I could have developed a commercial test like uBiome years ago, when I first started. I could say, “Here’s a commercial test,” and sell it all around the world. Until I understand the microbiome, I don’t want to be selling crap, because we are in the field of crap—pardon my language.
When you’re in that world, you want to make sure that what you’re selling is real, is good, and it changes people. If this is the direction we’re going as scientists, we have to be careful with how we’re doing it, because these are still microbes.
There’s a ton of microbes in our guts that could potentially annihilate humanity. We have to be very careful with this technology. We have to be very careful with the manipulations of the microbiome and thinking that one microbe is the solution to people, because we could create a resistant bug down the road.
To answer your question about the patent; yes, at the beginning it was an idea to start a pharmaceutical. Look, I put it all very transparently on ClinicalTrials.gov. I didn’t need to put up hydroxy/azithromycin, vitamin C, D, and zinc, or ivermectin/doxycycline, vitamin C, D, and zinc.
I put it up very transparently, because I wanted as many doctors around the world to see what I was thinking. What really happened, which was kind of funny, is that I created ProgenaBiome as a healthcare revolution, like it says on the logo, “The quest for a healthcare revolution.”
What I realized along the path with this whole pandemic is that I’ve accomplished what I wanted, which was a healthcare revolution in a way, by having doctors really see what’s going on in healthcare and why we are not advancing.
Think about it, since the development of monoclonal antibodies, we’ve been stagnant. We’re not discovering as much. There are so many drugs, there are so many protocols that are just never seeing the light of day. Being in the clinical trial business, I’ve seen a lot of protocols that were just amazing and never really made it to market.
Some things have to change in the field to bring these forward. From what I’ve learned from all this is that there is corruption, where the one with the most money is playing the stock, playing the research, and interfering with research.
To me, interference with research should never happen. The fact that somebody is trying to kill one protocol by one company should have never happened. We should have been able to finish these protocols. We should have had the same opportunity, and we shouldn’t have them branded to be bad drugs.
Because at the end of the day, think about it, hydroxychloroquine is given to thousands of lupus patients and arthritis patients, and ivermectin was given for babies with scabies. Come on. You’re going to tell me that they are dangerous for a person that’s dying with an oxygen level of 63 percent? Come on.
If that person is dying, doesn’t want to go to the hospital and wants to take 36 milligrams of ivermectin, we should be able to give it to them. They should have the right to take whatever they want. To me, this became not only a revolution, but about freedom of choice. To me, this was, “Why am I being told what to put in my body? I know my body better than anybody.” That’s it. That has been my path.
Mr. Jekielek: Dr. Sabine Hazan, it’s such a pleasure to have you on the show.
Ms. Hazan: Thank you. Thank you very much.
Mr. Jekielek: Thank you all for joining Dr. Sabine Hazan and me on this episode of American Thought Leaders. I’m your host, Jan Jekielek.
This interview has been edited for clarity and brevity.