If you click the FL gov website link provided in my comment, view the bill's text, and scroll down to line 1097, you will see it.
here
1097 4. Ordering an individual to be examined, tested,
1098 vaccinated, treated, isolated, or quarantined for communicable
1099 diseases that have significant morbidity or mortality and
1100 present a severe danger to public health. Individuals who are
1101 unable or unwilling to be examined, tested, vaccinated, or
1102 treated for reasons of health, religion, or conscience may be
1103 subjected to isolation or quarantine.
edit - so you're saying he signed a bill after this bill to remove this? I did not see it in the amendments to this bill, so it must have been a new one. I'll do some looking, just scraped this tweet off TS
looks like FL dodged the camps either way... good callu/imissvoat
requesting sticky of this comment
further thoughts - I wonder how many people were forced-jabbed / quarantined during the roughly 6months between this bill and the later one repealing that section. Remember this was PEAK vaccination season in 2021. Did Ron give the tyrants a good run before putting on a patriot mask? curious..
Thanks, Nancy Pelosi. K Street; therefore, Corporate America, riding herd. Remember, The business of America is business. The inculcation for business political dominance began early.
The bill actually had some good stuff in it giving broader powers to communities in pandemic situations like having retired doctors reinstated without government licensing requirements due to the need to address time as a factor of transmission. Having local pharmaceutical companies and compounding pharmacies make needed medications, which wasn't allowed during covid. Other stuff, I forget all the details, it's long.
The "forced vaccinations" is a debatable line in a long bill that does a lot of good things, and laws have to be interpreted.
IMO it has more to do with people who may be incapacitated due to illness from a current pandemic, but someone may interpret it differently. Especially when politics are involved.
It's all in how you interpret, "have significant morbidity or mortality and 1100 present a severe danger to public health".
Did covid reach that status? No. But what if something does reach that level? What if an actual cure exists and someone is incapacitated, do you give it to them? Someone has to have the authority to make that decision, right?
How many people were "forced vaccinated"? None, obviously. We would all know about it by now, by anti-DeSantis folks in both parties. If Florida police or corrections officers were holding people down and force vaccinating people, we would know by now.
I also have a major distrust, but also of people pushing disinformation. This bill doesn't "force vaccinate" people, and as I stated, I believe it refers to those that are sick to the point of incapacity. And what do you do in those situations? Someone has to have the authority if a patient is incapacitated and cannot make their own choices. You don't just sit and watch them die if you have available medicine.
I also believe human nature is fear and exploitation and whole heartedly believe the wrong people would misuse this.
Apparently the down-voter here prefers the fictional narrative of the I-hate-Ron contingent here over actual truth. Thanks for bringing this up - again. I've given up on the IhR folks for the most part as most of them will read the truth and conveniently ignore it the next time they go into attack mode.
It's funny that Florida was locked down, yet i left my locked down state of NJ 8 times during covid and found Florida was quite far from "locked down".
Our Very Stable Genius President dealt expertly with the cards he was given. None of this stink will stick to him. Because he understood what they were trying to do.
They are extremely powerful but they aren't very smart.
I wouldn't vote for Ron DeSantis because I'm voting for The Boss, but the 6 mo. lag time does concern me.
Many of us faced loosing our jobs - and worse - if we didn't get it. . .I especially agree with Winns, 'further thoughts'.
HB 7 / SB 8 mentions good points in those bills . . IF you assume covid was as deadly as the legacy/social media, and (soon to be) legacy US politbureau said it was.
This exclusion is remarkable insofar as it contradicted the idea of prevention. After all, selective precautions risked the continued existence of sources of infection. The fact that this risk was not an issue underscores the general finding: Vaccination was always about forming the “national body”, here the “national community” was constituted in local social practice. The focus was never just on "one's own interest", but also on that of "the other national comrades", as emphasized by a senior medical officer in Munich. Therefore, vaccinations in the "Third Reich" no longer followed the principle of equality as in Weimar, they were now an act of "national community" mobilization. In the queues in front of the vaccination centers, a “national community” formed out of a sense of duty, which made its contribution to the immunization of the “national body”. A "disregard of duty towards the people as a whole", which represented a refusal to vaccinate, contradicted the sense of honor of every "comrade", as an appeal in Siegen emphasized: "It is probably a matter of honor that the NSV block walter will soon be answered with 'yes' if he asks during his tour whether Hans and Fritz have been vaccinated.” Such overestimation of vaccination as a service to the “national community” served different interests. On the one hand, they intensified the social pressure that is likely to have driven those who were “vaccinated” to the health authorities. On the other hand, they glorified other motives for participating in vaccination as a commitment to the "national community": For the majority of parents, the fear of diphtheria was probably still a more important argument for vaccination than their sense of duty towards the "national community".
Even if not every "Hans and Fritz" was vaccinated and the social effectiveness of this staged "national community" is questioned, the diphtheria vaccination can be interpreted as an innovation in population policy. With it, structures were created in the mid-1930s in which far-reaching precautionary measures could be implemented. In this sense, too, preventive practices were established in the "Third Reich" with new mass vaccinations that went beyond those in Weimar. Vaccination was now carried out in a network of numerous actors, under the aegis of the health authorities, who were supported by medicine and the media. This practice was not only new, but also extremely successful: Diphtheria vaccinations led to an average participation of over 90 percent, although they always remained voluntary. It is not without irony that even in the face of the formally existing compulsory vaccination against smallpox, poor vaccination rates were usually achieved. But that is exactly what characterizes the change in the "Third Reich": the basic voluntary nature of successful vaccination programs.
The voluntariness was flanked not only by the social pressure that the stylization of vaccination as a service to the "national community" exerted on the individual. Added to this was a massive exploitation of fears. It is true that the necessity of vaccination had already been justified in the German Empire and in the Weimar Republic with illness and death. In the “Third Reich”, however, this justification strategy took on new proportions. "Still," warned a leaflet from Munich in 1941, "diphtheria (neck tan) claims its annual victims. Diphtheria deaths are always particularly painful and sad because they usually affect children who were hitherto perfectly healthy and are now suddenly, in perfect health, snatched away in a matter of days. Death from diphtheria is cardiac death or death by suffocation.” “Parents!” concluded the call with several exclamation marks, “The responsibility you bear is great! You must not expose your children to the danger of diphtheria disease!” The tone and the dissemination of such appeals were of a new quality. In all parts of the empire, posters, films, pamphlets and newspapers depicted in bold colors the dangers of epidemics. They indicate that the introduction of new vaccinations required new legitimation strategies. In other words: the fact that it was voluntary promoted an instrumentalization of fear, which should have convinced even doubting “comrades of the people”.
From earlier in the paper:
Schwerer wog der Einwand des Heeres-Sanitätsinspekteurs Anton Waldmann. Eine persönliche Entscheidung des „Volksgenossen“ beim Impfen widerspräche „dem Führerprinzip“ und erhöhe damit das Risiko von Seuchenherden „im Vol-ke“, die „im Falle eines uns aufgezwungenen Zukunftskrieges [...] das Heer in der Bewegungsfreiheit hinderten“. Diese wehrpolitischen Gründe führten am Ende der Sitzung zu der Erkenntnis, dass gegen die Abschaffung des Impfzwanges nach wie vor Bedenken bestünden. Die Kommission kam somit zu keinem abschlie-ßenden Ergebnis, woraus sich allerdings eine wichtige Erkenntnis gewinnen lässt: Für ein Hauptinstrument moderner Bevölkerungspolitik lag 1933 kein Konzept bereit. Um die zeitgemäße Vorsorge wurden nach der „Machtergreifung“ eine un-gewöhnlich offene Diskussion geführt. Dass dabei die Eigenverantwortlichkeit des „Volksgenossen“ ein wichtiges Argument war, dass staatlicher Zwang sogar als Widerspruch zur nationalsozialistischen Ethik gesehen wurde, zeigt zweierlei: die programmatischen Widersprüche der Gesundheitspolitik und die Unklarheiten über die Legitimität staatlichen Zwangs gegenüber dem „Volksgenossen“. Das Impfen, so könnte man zusammenfassen, mutierte in der Frühphase des „Drit-ten Reichs“ zu einem Lackmustest für die „Zustimmungsdiktatur“. Schließlich waren es beim Impfen die „ganz normalen Deutschen“, die man für die „Volksge-meinschaft“ gewinnen wollte.
The objection of the army medical inspector Anton Waldmann weighed more heavily. A personal decision of the "comrade" when vaccinating would contradict "the leader's principle" and thus increase the risk of epidemics "among the people", which "in the event of a future war forced upon us [...] would prevent the army from freedom of movement". At the end of the meeting, these military-political reasons led to the realization that there were still reservations about the abolition of compulsory vaccination. The commission therefore did not come to a conclusive conclusion, from which an important finding can be gained: in 1933 there was no concept ready for a main instrument of modern population policy. After the "seizure of power", an unusually open discussion was held about the modern precautionary measures. The fact that the self-responsibility of the “national comrade” was an important argument, and that state coercion was even seen as a contradiction to National Socialist ethics, shows two things: the programmatic contradictions of health policy and the ambiguity about the legitimacy of state coercion vis-à-vis “national comrades”. One could summarize that vaccination mutated into a litmus test for the “consent dictatorship” in the early phase of the “Third Reich”*. After all, when it came to vaccinations, it was the “completely normal Germans” who were wanted to win for the “Volksge-meinschaft” [national community].
I mean I like some of the stuff santa does, but I would not really trust the guy. The only guy that is super trustworthy is president Trump. There is only one path forward and that is electing president Trump for a third time.
If you click the FL gov website link provided in my comment, view the bill's text, and scroll down to line 1097, you will see it.
here
1097 4. Ordering an individual to be examined, tested, 1098 vaccinated, treated, isolated, or quarantined for communicable 1099 diseases that have significant morbidity or mortality and 1100 present a severe danger to public health. Individuals who are 1101 unable or unwilling to be examined, tested, vaccinated, or 1102 treated for reasons of health, religion, or conscience may be 1103 subjected to isolation or quarantine.
https://www.flsenate.gov/Session/Bill/2021/2006/BillText/er/HTML
edit - so you're saying he signed a bill after this bill to remove this? I did not see it in the amendments to this bill, so it must have been a new one. I'll do some looking, just scraped this tweet off TS
edit - found, ~6months after bill was signed, DeSantis signs 4 more https://www.hklaw.com/en/insights/publications/2021/11/florida-gov-ron-desantis-signs-bills-regarding-vaccine-mandates HB 7B/SB 8B: Repeals the authority of the state surgeon general to mandate vaccinations
Yet Trump retruthed the OP... soooo
looks like FL dodged the camps either way... good call u/imissvoat
requesting sticky of this comment
further thoughts - I wonder how many people were forced-jabbed / quarantined during the roughly 6months between this bill and the later one repealing that section. Remember this was PEAK vaccination season in 2021. Did Ron give the tyrants a good run before putting on a patriot mask? curious..
Just goes to show nobody reads a damn thing. "wE gOt To pAsS iT tO kNoW wHaTs iN iT."
Thanks, Nancy Pelosi. K Street; therefore, Corporate America, riding herd. Remember, The business of America is business. The inculcation for business political dominance began early.
The bill actually had some good stuff in it giving broader powers to communities in pandemic situations like having retired doctors reinstated without government licensing requirements due to the need to address time as a factor of transmission. Having local pharmaceutical companies and compounding pharmacies make needed medications, which wasn't allowed during covid. Other stuff, I forget all the details, it's long.
The "forced vaccinations" is a debatable line in a long bill that does a lot of good things, and laws have to be interpreted.
IMO it has more to do with people who may be incapacitated due to illness from a current pandemic, but someone may interpret it differently. Especially when politics are involved. It's all in how you interpret, "have significant morbidity or mortality and 1100 present a severe danger to public health".
Did covid reach that status? No. But what if something does reach that level? What if an actual cure exists and someone is incapacitated, do you give it to them? Someone has to have the authority to make that decision, right?
How many people were "forced vaccinated"? None, obviously. We would all know about it by now, by anti-DeSantis folks in both parties. If Florida police or corrections officers were holding people down and force vaccinating people, we would know by now.
I also have a major distrust, but also of people pushing disinformation. This bill doesn't "force vaccinate" people, and as I stated, I believe it refers to those that are sick to the point of incapacity. And what do you do in those situations? Someone has to have the authority if a patient is incapacitated and cannot make their own choices. You don't just sit and watch them die if you have available medicine. I also believe human nature is fear and exploitation and whole heartedly believe the wrong people would misuse this.
Yes, under normal conditions, the bill was for emergency powers due to pandemic.
Tend to agree ^
Apparently the down-voter here prefers the fictional narrative of the I-hate-Ron contingent here over actual truth. Thanks for bringing this up - again. I've given up on the IhR folks for the most part as most of them will read the truth and conveniently ignore it the next time they go into attack mode.
Love your new icon!
correct, this bill was signed and it gives the FL Surgeon general the ability to force a vaccination
but I ask you, have you tried to give an awake Cat a bath lately ?
poor TDS cucks in the other timelines are in for a ride...
https://truthsocial.com/@kagdrogo/110431514490396344
https://www.flsenate.gov/Session/Bill/2021/2006/
It's funny that Florida was locked down, yet i left my locked down state of NJ 8 times during covid and found Florida was quite far from "locked down".
Our Very Stable Genius President dealt expertly with the cards he was given. None of this stink will stick to him. Because he understood what they were trying to do.
They are extremely powerful but they aren't very smart.
I wouldn't vote for Ron DeSantis because I'm voting for The Boss, but the 6 mo. lag time does concern me.
Many of us faced loosing our jobs - and worse - if we didn't get it. . .I especially agree with Winns, 'further thoughts'.
HB 7 / SB 8 mentions good points in those bills . . IF you assume covid was as deadly as the legacy/social media, and (soon to be) legacy US politbureau said it was.
Nichts hat sich verändert:
From earlier in the paper:
"We're all in this together."
Trump golfs with Lindsey Graham. Why?
Old axiom. Keep your friends close and your enemies closer.
Pawn Deshamtis
From https://www.flsenate.gov/Session/Bill/2021/2006/BillText/er/HTML
"1097 4. Ordering an individual to be examined, tested,
1098 vaccinated, treated, isolated, or quarantined for communicable
1099 diseases that have significant morbidity or mortality and
1100 present a severe danger to public health. Individuals who are
1101 unable or unwilling to be examined, tested, vaccinated, or
1102 treated for reasons of health, religion, or conscience may be
1103 subjected to isolation or quarantine.
1104 a. Examination, testing, vaccination, or treatment may be
1105 performed by any qualified person authorized by the State Health 1106 Officer.
1107 b. If the individual poses a danger to the public health,
1108 the State Health Officer may subject the individual to isolation
1109 or quarantine. If there is no practical method to isolate or
1110 quarantine the individual, the State Health Officer may use any
1111 means necessary to vaccinate or treat the individual.
I mean I like some of the stuff santa does, but I would not really trust the guy. The only guy that is super trustworthy is president Trump. There is only one path forward and that is electing president Trump for a third time.
I need more sauce in this because I have forgotten, and the meatball simps are saying the opposite