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I would love to know an anon’s opinion of this interview between a rabbi and a christian: (www.auricmedia.net) 🗣️ DISCUSSION 💬
posted 2 years ago by BigDon2020 2 years ago by BigDon2020 +7 / -0
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– inquimous 2 points 2 years ago +2 / -0

There could be satanic Jews and rabbis, but this seems too over the top. It seems to me a hash of anti-semitic accusations with a modernized Christian twist.

For one thing, they throw in a version of "the blood libel," which started with the ancient Greeks claiming that Jews would catch a Greek occasionally and sacrifice him. This was elaborated into a story that the Jews would kidnap Christian children and put their blood into the Passover matzoh, and that came to full flower about 1200 AD, when between the Muslims and Christians in Europe a systematic persecution of the Jews started. That was worst in the time of the Inquisition. Anyway, eating any kind of blood has been abhorrent since Moses' time. Putting blood in the Passover matzoh is conflating the lamb's blood on the doorframe with the unleavened bread. But it was someone to blame for missing children. Abusing and killing children is nothing new.

As to worshipping Lucifer, that is really a stretch. He is hardly a blip in Judaism. In the OT times, Ha-Satan wasn't like the Satan as developed by Christian times. More like the grim archangel Samael, who was replaced with Michael. No one worshipped any of them, the forbidden worship was to the ancient deities like Innanna and Baal, and their idols. This seems to me a modern concoction.

As to the Chosen People title, there are opinions all over the place. "Chosen to rule the world" is one opinion based on the belief that the Messiah would elevate Israel to a nation leading the world. Another one is "chosen to serve God" (the Suffering Servant of Isaiah." Look at the Old Testament. Plenty of stubbornness but very little rule the world mentality.

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– Singleuse 1 point 2 years ago +1 / -0

The lucifer thing is very masonic which despite the kabbalist influence is not a Jewish organization AFAIK

Chosen by God I for sure believe has given them a superiority complex that's been evident since Biblical days and I doubt it's gotten any better. Having read some of the Talmud there's definitely some sense of being better than us "red faced people who eat pork and lend on interest" as one passage describes Gentiles

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– inquimous 1 point 2 years ago +1 / -0

The general understanding of "chosen by God," which you can find many scriptural references to, is God made a covenant with Abraham: He (God) chose Abraham's family to worship Him (God) and as long as they were faithful in that, God chose to support them. This idea of one tribe being chosen evolved into a nation, and so did the notion that God was NOT only for that nation. By 700 BC or thereabouts scripture starts mentioning that God is going to be the God of the whole world, and the Israelites are now the ones chosen to be the standard bearers. Look at the story of Jonah: God sends Jonah to Ninevah to tell them to repent and He will spare them. Ninevah was then the capitol of the Assyrians and the Hebrews couldn't have hated them more, so Jonah disobeyed. He couldn't believe God would help the Assyrians and he wasn't going to help. There are other instances of God favoring non-Israelis, and of course Jesus being the light to the gentiles is the culmination.

This is the theological interpretation still, the Jews are chosen to spread the worship of the most high God. The main difference now is arguing over the Messiah and what will happen to Israel. I think this "jew" in the video discussion is a modern anti-semite trying to stir up suspicion and hate by this enhanced blood libel story, to which he has added a very modern idea about Lucifer worship and the misconception that Jews believe they will rule the world. Almost like he reads 4chan and Qanon and knows the buttons to push.

PS There are a ton of Jewish jokes along the line of "God, please choose someone else for a while."

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– Singleuse 1 point 2 years ago +1 / -0

Oh I know what you're saying, but they have been salty about it.

Also he couldn't have read 4chan or known about qanon - this video is at least 30 years old, I've known about it for quite a while. I think you're more on point with the blood libel idea, basically it's a modern repackaging of that it seems

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– Singleuse 1 point 2 years ago +1 / -0

Also you can look back to Protocols of the Learned Elders of Zion at least for the world domination thing. 1930s or earlier there.

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– inquimous 1 point 2 years ago +1 / -0

That's another fable. It's a hoax that might have started as satire but then someone decided to take it seriously. It was written about 1902 in Russia and was a handy reference when the pogroms against the Jews started there. Then the Nazis used it to teach children. It's been debunked several times but still has the dubious honor of being the most successful anti- Semitic tract ever written.

Why does anyone want to believe this stuff? Why are so many people so envious and hostile to a group that has never had more than a few million, even counting those who are completely secular? Because they really are more successful in maintaining an identity despite of thousands of years of being attacked? It is to be expected that Satan would attack God's chosen people, I suppose, but it's disappointing to see that there are so many nominal Christians who swallow this junk uncritically.

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– Singleuse 1 point 2 years ago +1 / -0

I mean, hypothetically playing devils advocate why have they been kicked out of so many countries? I am not giving either side a pass but just asking if the idea that everyone mercilessly persecuted the innocent group who never did anything could be a bit of a gloss? 🤔

Are you aware of the way the tsars allowed the mosaic Jews to continue to live unmolested while pogroms happened to the Talmudic jews? Is it not possible that the Judaism that derived from the council of Yomni (sp?) Post destruction of the Temple MIGHT NOT be the same as what Moses was repping?

Just asking. You seem into this and I've done a bit of reading myself on the matter. I look forward to talking further.

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– inquimous 1 point 2 years ago +1 / -0

The story behind the Protocols is quite long and tangled, and much of the evidence debunking it is either in things we'll never see now like old newspapers that no longer exist or in a foreign language or both. Wiki has a pretty good summary with over 70 footnotes and cross references, but if you don't trust Wiki, there are several books currently available which are perhaps a little more readable: The Plot: The Secret Story of The Protocols of the Elders of Zion; The Lie That Will Not Die: The Protocols of the Elders of Zion; and several others. There has always been anti-Jewish sentiment, as in that old Greek myth. The Protocols got its start in the 19th Century from various screeds against the Jews, but much of the text itself is actually plagiarized from a play and another book.

Definitely Judaism changed when the Temple was gone, because Judaism had always been rather unique in being centered around one building where God actually dwelt. That goes back to Moses and the Tabernacle, though. This was why only the High Priest could go into the Holy of Holies and that only one day a year, the Day of Atonement. And animal sacrifices could only take place at the Temple under strictly regulated procedure. No Temple, no sacrifices. The Pharisees, Sadducees, and Zealots, in their rebellion against the Romans, brought their own house down. That's an epic story of why politics and religion can't coexist. Since the First Century, it's all been the remainder of the scattered rabbis trying to hold their traditions together. The Talmud developed by the 5th Century as it is now, that's another long and tangled story.

The situation in Russia and the pogroms also had to do with politics. The Jews were a handy scapegoat for failures of the Tsars. And it should be no surprise that they had their own political alliances. Some of the worst enemies of the Jews have been other Jews.

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– Fatality 2 points 2 years ago +2 / -0

Very sick read.

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– QdaPeeps 1 point 2 years ago +1 / -0

BigDon2020, are you saying you are not an Anon?

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– BigDon2020 [S] 2 points 2 years ago +2 / -0

I’m an anon. Should have said ‘another anon’. My bad.

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– QdaPeeps 2 points 2 years ago +2 / -0

No worries fren, was just curious 🧐

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– Singleuse 1 point 2 years ago +1 / -0

I dislike THEM as much as the next guy but I always took this as a put-on.

"Abe Finkelstein?"

Also there's way more demand for McDonald's than 300k kids could fill.

Kind of reminds me of the apocryphal claimed Ray Kroc interview where he claims to be a Satanist that was allegedly on 700 club or something back in the day

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– Singleuse 2 points 2 years ago +2 / -0

I took it as overeager christian agrees to scoop interview with fake or prank Rabbi not realizing he's being made a fool of. A Sascha baron Cohen type gig

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– Singleuse 2 points 2 years ago +2 / -0

No I totally agree. And tbh I've never watched it. At best I've heard audio.

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– Singleuse 1 point 2 years ago +1 / -0

What's the cemex patent btw

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– Singleuse 2 points 2 years ago +2 / -0

Wow. Interesting. Who would have thought that up? 🤔

The name just reminds me of Ben Stiller in Starsky and Hutch. Altho his character at one point was Murray Finkel, I just picture Finklestein the same way lol

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