Except Rome never "fell." It created a new legal, moral, and spiritual structure called "The Church," created the most powerful self-managing social controlling belief system (AKA religion) of all time (by number of adherents), changed it's name to the Holy Roman Empire to represent that the Ruler was no longer just an Emperor, but had become both an Emperor and Divine, and it plays a huge part in the legal and moral rulership of the world today.
It was more of a "morph into an all powerful being that controls the minds and owns the souls of all mankind" than a "fall."
Some slight disagreement with you here fren, as to the timeline of events.
Western Rome (where the actual city was) 'fell' (i.e. ceased to exist as a state entity) with the sack of Rome around 479 AD.
Eastern Rome continued for ~1000 after Western Rome fell.
After the sack of Rome by the goths and eventual restoration of some rule, the pope started his shenanigans about being some sort of secular ruler. This pissed off the Eastern Roman Emperor (which represented actual Roman authority at that time, whatever that meant anyway). There was some uneasy peace between them but a growing rift that culminated in the Schism of 1054.
"Holy Roman Empire" was a germanic construct, that took place at least 600 years AFTER the fall of Rome (the city). It was neither holy (lol), nor Roman (it was basically the proto-german state), nor an empire (it was a federation of german and german-adjacent principalities & city states).
The gist of your message I agree with, but there was no immediate transition from Roman Eagles to "Holy Roman Empire" via the funny guy with the white hat. It was a lot more nuanced than that.
Western Rome (where the actual city was) 'fell' (i.e. ceased to exist as a state entity) with the sack of Rome around 479 AD.
Not really. What you are repeating is the standard fare. You need to dig deeper to understand what actually happened.
By "the fall of Rome" in the fifth century, the REAL rule of southern Europe/Mediterranean had transferred to The Church already. This transfer of legal rulership began with Emperor Constantine in 325 AD when he created the religion we today call "Christianity". In this act of creation he silenced all debate on anything having to do with Jesus, marrying Judaism, Mithraism, and Christianity into one religion to unite the "Empire" which was at the time, really four different Empires. I.e., the "Roman Empire" had already become decoherent as a State entity, but was reunited under one Religion through a bit of conquest, and by making the tenets of the Religion into law, forcing the whole populace to have the same beliefs, by law, creating a coherent state.
After the sack of Rome by the goths and eventual restoration of some rule
The "Goths" as we call them (or as the Romans called them) were just the Scythians, who ruled almost the whole of Eurasia and had for millennia. (A bit of erased history you probably don't know. They were later known as the Tartarians, who you might have heard of.) The Roman Empire, or parts of the Roman Empire, had been under their thumb (paying tribute) numerous times during its existence as a coherent state.
the pope started his shenanigans about being some sort of secular ruler.
The entity called the "Papacy" may have started after the "fall of Rome," but the papacy was just a continuation of the previous rulership started by Constantine. It was the same entity under the same management with a new sign hanging over the door. It is the exact same scam pulled today, where a company goes bankrupt, they close their doors, transfer all their assets to a new company (or several other companies), but that new company is really the old company, because all the members of the Boards of Directors remain the exact same, managing the same assets with a new sign over the door.
"Holy Roman Empire" was a germanic construct, that took place at least 600 years AFTER the fall of Rome (the city).
Again, you are confusing a sign change with a change in the actual group who is Ruling. If the people remain the same, the assets remain the same, the structure remains the same, but the name over the door changes, that's not a change, that's a scam.
Look at what actually happened during these "transitions." The people in power, the actual group of people who have the power before, retain the power after. Yes, one person may come down, thrown under the bus, but the group of people retain control.
The fundamental problem with not understanding how the world works is this confusing a Corporation, which is an entity that doesn't actually exist, or the "leader" (AKA Front Man) of that Corporation, with the People who actually run it.
Where does the Eastern Roman Empire, the continuation of Constantine, based in Constantinople, and surviving (and sometimes thriving), for 1000 years after the fall of the city of Rome stand into all this?
That part of the empire DID NOT subject itself to the 'authority' of the guy with the funny white hat. Not at all in fact.
There's another part of 'the church' that you completely ignore. The eastern part. Very little to do with the western part.
They also fought the Khazarians, the Arabs, christianized the Russians & the slavs, held the Muslims at bay for a long time and eventually succumbed first to the crusades (one of the actual purposes of those things in fact), and then to the turks.
A 1000+ year, VERY powerful state entity is completely ignored in your narration of events. They need to fit into the story somehow. They have been intentionally brushed aside by the 'western' version of history, but that is obviously by design.
This is how Rome fell
Except Rome never "fell." It created a new legal, moral, and spiritual structure called "The Church," created the most powerful self-managing social controlling belief system (AKA religion) of all time (by number of adherents), changed it's name to the Holy Roman Empire to represent that the Ruler was no longer just an Emperor, but had become both an Emperor and Divine, and it plays a huge part in the legal and moral rulership of the world today.
It was more of a "morph into an all powerful being that controls the minds and owns the souls of all mankind" than a "fall."
Some slight disagreement with you here fren, as to the timeline of events.
The gist of your message I agree with, but there was no immediate transition from Roman Eagles to "Holy Roman Empire" via the funny guy with the white hat. It was a lot more nuanced than that.
Not really. What you are repeating is the standard fare. You need to dig deeper to understand what actually happened.
By "the fall of Rome" in the fifth century, the REAL rule of southern Europe/Mediterranean had transferred to The Church already. This transfer of legal rulership began with Emperor Constantine in 325 AD when he created the religion we today call "Christianity". In this act of creation he silenced all debate on anything having to do with Jesus, marrying Judaism, Mithraism, and Christianity into one religion to unite the "Empire" which was at the time, really four different Empires. I.e., the "Roman Empire" had already become decoherent as a State entity, but was reunited under one Religion through a bit of conquest, and by making the tenets of the Religion into law, forcing the whole populace to have the same beliefs, by law, creating a coherent state.
The "Goths" as we call them (or as the Romans called them) were just the Scythians, who ruled almost the whole of Eurasia and had for millennia. (A bit of erased history you probably don't know. They were later known as the Tartarians, who you might have heard of.) The Roman Empire, or parts of the Roman Empire, had been under their thumb (paying tribute) numerous times during its existence as a coherent state.
The entity called the "Papacy" may have started after the "fall of Rome," but the papacy was just a continuation of the previous rulership started by Constantine. It was the same entity under the same management with a new sign hanging over the door. It is the exact same scam pulled today, where a company goes bankrupt, they close their doors, transfer all their assets to a new company (or several other companies), but that new company is really the old company, because all the members of the Boards of Directors remain the exact same, managing the same assets with a new sign over the door.
Again, you are confusing a sign change with a change in the actual group who is Ruling. If the people remain the same, the assets remain the same, the structure remains the same, but the name over the door changes, that's not a change, that's a scam.
Look at what actually happened during these "transitions." The people in power, the actual group of people who have the power before, retain the power after. Yes, one person may come down, thrown under the bus, but the group of people retain control.
The fundamental problem with not understanding how the world works is this confusing a Corporation, which is an entity that doesn't actually exist, or the "leader" (AKA Front Man) of that Corporation, with the People who actually run it.
Same scam, going on for millennia.
Where does the Eastern Roman Empire, the continuation of Constantine, based in Constantinople, and surviving (and sometimes thriving), for 1000 years after the fall of the city of Rome stand into all this?
That part of the empire DID NOT subject itself to the 'authority' of the guy with the funny white hat. Not at all in fact.
There's another part of 'the church' that you completely ignore. The eastern part. Very little to do with the western part.
They also fought the Khazarians, the Arabs, christianized the Russians & the slavs, held the Muslims at bay for a long time and eventually succumbed first to the crusades (one of the actual purposes of those things in fact), and then to the turks.
A 1000+ year, VERY powerful state entity is completely ignored in your narration of events. They need to fit into the story somehow. They have been intentionally brushed aside by the 'western' version of history, but that is obviously by design.