That’s always been very curious. “Stein” is clearly a Germanic name (it means “Stone”), so why is it synonymous with a whole other nation? Many “Stein”s were stone cutters and stone masons, in accordance with their name, through familial trade.
… Are there any Bible verses are centered around stone that might be relevant here? Not seeing any so far. Heraldry used to be used to identify significant familial houses. Was there a great “Stein” family that used a goat, by any chance? There are modern, clearly computer-created heraldic images that show a goat for it, but was that what was used hundreds of years ago? There is this.. https://files.catbox.moe/imbzer.jpeg, but there is also how things got to that place. Did they incorporate other nations’ heralds as they brought them under control over time?
I've never heard of the idea Jesus talking about nations and not individual people here and idk if I buy into that. Was Israel ever referred to as a sheep or a goat?
The Krassensteins were a vile pair of disgusting rhetoric of all kinds and then they seemed to chill out at some point. Q called them out as manipulating Trump tweets comments sections and were being assisted by Jack Dorsey IIRC (tried a quick search for the drop but couldn't find it, could be mistaken)
That wasn’t what I was getting at. I suspect there is a goat nation within “Israel”, the political/jurisdictional entity, but “Israel” the actual nation will likely be all, or mostly, sheep, depending on exactly how the separation works. That part is up to The Judge.
Basically, it seems fairly certain to me that the Krassensteins are some combination of direct infiltrators, descended from infiltrators, pretenders, slanderers, or pruned branches or descended from pruned branches, and may enjoy chewing tin cans.
I've never heard of the idea Jesus talking about nations and not individual people here and idk if I buy into that.
Think of things in terms of branches on a tree. A bonsai would be a great example to use.
1 Kings 15:1-3
Deuteronomy 24:16 - “Fathers shall not be put to death because of their children, nor shall children be put to death because of their fathers. Each one shall be put to death for his own sin.
Exodus 34:7 - Keeping steadfast love for thousands, forgiving iniquity and transgression and sin, but who will by no means clear the guilty, visiting the iniquity of the fathers on the children and the children's children, to the third and the fourth generation.”
(Now there’s a strange, seeming conflict that I don’t understand the contextual difference of between that verse and this one - Ezekiel 18:20 ESV - The soul who sins shall die. The son shall not suffer for the iniquity of the father, nor the father suffer for the iniquity of the son. The righteousness of the righteous shall be upon himself, and the wickedness of the wicked shall be upon himself.)
Exodus 20:4-6 - You shall not make for yourself a carved image, or any likeness of anything that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth. You shall not bow down to them or serve them, for I the Lord your God am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers on the children to the third and the fourth generation of those who hate me, but showing steadfast love to thousands of those who love me and keep my commandments.
I suspect one of the big things we are up against right now is trying to help people to overcome generational curses, so that when the terrible day of The Lord’s judgment comes upon us, some form of which seems to be what is coming that nothing can stop, as many as possible might be spared His wrath. I don’t think of that day of judgment as a one time event.
Your mileage may vary, as I can’t guarantee that my understanding is correct. It’s just what seems most plausible to me given what I know. Hence my bringing this all up as “thoughts for consideration”.
Note that I do not claim to be a scriptural encyclopedia with a vast depth of knowledge. What I do feel that I can bring to the table is an eye to spot logical inconsistencies in accepted dogmas, questioning how things might be intended to fit together, and from that point attempt to offer solutions to those inconsistencies within the scope of what I do know. I will be off mark on some claims, but perhaps closer on others, but the truth of the matter is that this is true for the orthodoxies as well. It’s why I’m a big fan of the verse “test everything, hold fast to what is good.”
That’s always been very curious. “Stein” is clearly a Germanic name (it means “Stone”), so why is it synonymous with a whole other nation? Many “Stein”s were stone cutters and stone masons, in accordance with their name, through familial trade.
… Are there any Bible verses are centered around stone that might be relevant here? Not seeing any so far. Heraldry used to be used to identify significant familial houses. Was there a great “Stein” family that used a goat, by any chance? There are modern, clearly computer-created heraldic images that show a goat for it, but was that what was used hundreds of years ago? There is this.. https://files.catbox.moe/imbzer.jpeg, but there is also how things got to that place. Did they incorporate other nations’ heralds as they brought them under control over time?
Could this be tied to goat nations and sheep nations? Matthew 25:31-46? I don’t necessarily agree with this article, but it brings up some interesting data points. https://www.raptureready.com/2024/08/27/repatriation-of-the-nations-maybe-by-john-chandler/ Could the name “Stein” have been taken to mock Matthew 16:18 or Luke 20:17? u/Winn
No conclusions, just some thoughts.
And Krassenstein means “blunt stones”, and they surely, truly aren’t very sharp.
Edit: This comment got a downvote within 2 minutes haha
wasn't me! I just woke up, what have we here....
I've never heard of the idea Jesus talking about nations and not individual people here and idk if I buy into that. Was Israel ever referred to as a sheep or a goat?
The Krassensteins were a vile pair of disgusting rhetoric of all kinds and then they seemed to chill out at some point. Q called them out as manipulating Trump tweets comments sections and were being assisted by Jack Dorsey IIRC (tried a quick search for the drop but couldn't find it, could be mistaken)
https://www.etymonline.com/word/stein#etymonline_v_22046
stein and our word stone are related directly, perhaps not a mockery but just the way the word evolved?
Some clarification:
That wasn’t what I was getting at. I suspect there is a goat nation within “Israel”, the political/jurisdictional entity, but “Israel” the actual nation will likely be all, or mostly, sheep, depending on exactly how the separation works. That part is up to The Judge.
Basically, it seems fairly certain to me that the Krassensteins are some combination of direct infiltrators, descended from infiltrators, pretenders, slanderers, or pruned branches or descended from pruned branches, and may enjoy chewing tin cans.
Think of things in terms of branches on a tree. A bonsai would be a great example to use.
1 Kings 15:1-3
Deuteronomy 24:16 - “Fathers shall not be put to death because of their children, nor shall children be put to death because of their fathers. Each one shall be put to death for his own sin.
Exodus 34:7 - Keeping steadfast love for thousands, forgiving iniquity and transgression and sin, but who will by no means clear the guilty, visiting the iniquity of the fathers on the children and the children's children, to the third and the fourth generation.”
(Now there’s a strange, seeming conflict that I don’t understand the contextual difference of between that verse and this one - Ezekiel 18:20 ESV - The soul who sins shall die. The son shall not suffer for the iniquity of the father, nor the father suffer for the iniquity of the son. The righteousness of the righteous shall be upon himself, and the wickedness of the wicked shall be upon himself.)
Exodus 20:4-6 - You shall not make for yourself a carved image, or any likeness of anything that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth. You shall not bow down to them or serve them, for I the Lord your God am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers on the children to the third and the fourth generation of those who hate me, but showing steadfast love to thousands of those who love me and keep my commandments.
I suspect one of the big things we are up against right now is trying to help people to overcome generational curses, so that when the terrible day of The Lord’s judgment comes upon us, some form of which seems to be what is coming that nothing can stop, as many as possible might be spared His wrath. I don’t think of that day of judgment as a one time event.
Your mileage may vary, as I can’t guarantee that my understanding is correct. It’s just what seems most plausible to me given what I know. Hence my bringing this all up as “thoughts for consideration”.
Note that I do not claim to be a scriptural encyclopedia with a vast depth of knowledge. What I do feel that I can bring to the table is an eye to spot logical inconsistencies in accepted dogmas, questioning how things might be intended to fit together, and from that point attempt to offer solutions to those inconsistencies within the scope of what I do know. I will be off mark on some claims, but perhaps closer on others, but the truth of the matter is that this is true for the orthodoxies as well. It’s why I’m a big fan of the verse “test everything, hold fast to what is good.”