The millstone reference isn’t about children, as in little kids. This has been the greatest misquoting of the gospel I think I’ve ever seen. Esp here on these forums. That reference is about new Christians. Those who have just came to know their savior Jesus, their God, with their childlike faith..the warning is against those who try and misinform them or derail them. It really refers to Satan and those who follow him. For new, reborn individuals, Christians, Satan goes after them terribly. And because of their new found heart, their childlike faith, they could be easier to fool. That scripture of the millstone is in reference to them. Not some joker at a Diddy party. No, we are commanded to forgive as Christ would forgive. The word commanded may have not been used, but it basically has.
Matthew:18 20-35. When Peter asked how times should he forgive? Jesus says 77 times. Which mean’s basically, forever forgiveness. There is never a time we should not forgive. Ever. It may be hard to forgive sure. It may takes years. But, if you cannot forgive, then why should God forgive you? These are conversations those who have God in their life should have with Jesus. Ask God to help you forgive. He knows you better than you know yourself. But understand, God wants you to forgive. And don’t we all want to please the Father? Of course we do.
That’s called God’s Wrath. And mercy. He coulda wiped out everyone. Your here because he had mercy and love for mankind. And there was literally only a handful of people that still believed and trusted in God. And those survivors spared are your ancestors.
What about forgiveness? That was the question. I'm poking the bear cuz I feel strongly that the Bible is only perfect in the perspective of each individual. Blanket use of its stories to achieve a desired outcome is pointless
Those stories are there to directly have a desired outcome from God himself, about us. Don’t you think there could be thousands more stories through the course of thousands and thousands of years, added to the Bible because stuff happened? Jesus had a life. Everyday could’ve been added. But specific events were in the Bible for us. Same with the Old Testament. Decades of Moses could’ve been added, but we were given specific scripture because, of course, a desired outcome from the Father himself. God’s word isn’t for a select few. It’s for all. And for all to follow as instructions from God himself.
Does a parent not give instruction to their child for a desired outcome of events? Does the child always follow perfectly? No. So we write it down for them because it’s easier for them to learn. God’s Word, written us is all.
Now every word of scripture can mean something different to each person on each day. One line could mean something at age 20, and completely line up again at age 50. But direct instructions given by Jesus about forgiveness from the Father isn’t a “I decide what it means” situation. It’s explained very clearly. And is understood by those who have a relationship with Jesus. Doesn’t mean questions don’t come up, like Peter asked. And those questions are answered, by Christ alone, esp about forgiveness.
When Peter asked how times should he forgive? Jesus says 77 times. Which mean’s basically, forever forgiveness.
Oh please 77 is a very specific and limited number. Go to any court in the land and ask a domestic abuse victim how many times she has forgiven him. 77 times? Those are rookie numbers. That won't even get you on COPS.
We’re talking about when Jesus spoke to Peter about forgiveness, not some episode in COPS. In that time period, their beliefs, if you forgave someone, even your own family member more than 2-3 times, you were a fool. So Peter, in frustration asked Jesus, we’ll how many times should I forgive someone..seven times? And seven times would’ve been ridiculous! And Jesus says not seven times, but seventy seven times. He’s telling Peter with this insane high number that there is no limit to forgive someone.
Matthew :18 21-22
21 Then Peter came to Jesus and asked, “Lord, how many times shall I forgive my brother or sister who sins against me? Up to seven times?”
22 Jesus answered, “I tell you, not seven times, but seventy-seven times
The millstone reference isn’t about children, as in little kids. This has been the greatest misquoting of the gospel I think I’ve ever seen. Esp here on these forums. That reference is about new Christians. Those who have just came to know their savior Jesus, their God, with their childlike faith..the warning is against those who try and misinform them or derail them. It really refers to Satan and those who follow him. For new, reborn individuals, Christians, Satan goes after them terribly. And because of their new found heart, their childlike faith, they could be easier to fool. That scripture of the millstone is in reference to them. Not some joker at a Diddy party. No, we are commanded to forgive as Christ would forgive. The word commanded may have not been used, but it basically has. Matthew:18 20-35. When Peter asked how times should he forgive? Jesus says 77 times. Which mean’s basically, forever forgiveness. There is never a time we should not forgive. Ever. It may be hard to forgive sure. It may takes years. But, if you cannot forgive, then why should God forgive you? These are conversations those who have God in their life should have with Jesus. Ask God to help you forgive. He knows you better than you know yourself. But understand, God wants you to forgive. And don’t we all want to please the Father? Of course we do.
When God destroyed everything with a flood , was that forgiveness?
That’s called God’s Wrath. And mercy. He coulda wiped out everyone. Your here because he had mercy and love for mankind. And there was literally only a handful of people that still believed and trusted in God. And those survivors spared are your ancestors.
What about forgiveness? That was the question. I'm poking the bear cuz I feel strongly that the Bible is only perfect in the perspective of each individual. Blanket use of its stories to achieve a desired outcome is pointless
Those stories are there to directly have a desired outcome from God himself, about us. Don’t you think there could be thousands more stories through the course of thousands and thousands of years, added to the Bible because stuff happened? Jesus had a life. Everyday could’ve been added. But specific events were in the Bible for us. Same with the Old Testament. Decades of Moses could’ve been added, but we were given specific scripture because, of course, a desired outcome from the Father himself. God’s word isn’t for a select few. It’s for all. And for all to follow as instructions from God himself.
Does a parent not give instruction to their child for a desired outcome of events? Does the child always follow perfectly? No. So we write it down for them because it’s easier for them to learn. God’s Word, written us is all.
Now every word of scripture can mean something different to each person on each day. One line could mean something at age 20, and completely line up again at age 50. But direct instructions given by Jesus about forgiveness from the Father isn’t a “I decide what it means” situation. It’s explained very clearly. And is understood by those who have a relationship with Jesus. Doesn’t mean questions don’t come up, like Peter asked. And those questions are answered, by Christ alone, esp about forgiveness.
Oh please 77 is a very specific and limited number. Go to any court in the land and ask a domestic abuse victim how many times she has forgiven him. 77 times? Those are rookie numbers. That won't even get you on COPS.
We’re talking about when Jesus spoke to Peter about forgiveness, not some episode in COPS. In that time period, their beliefs, if you forgave someone, even your own family member more than 2-3 times, you were a fool. So Peter, in frustration asked Jesus, we’ll how many times should I forgive someone..seven times? And seven times would’ve been ridiculous! And Jesus says not seven times, but seventy seven times. He’s telling Peter with this insane high number that there is no limit to forgive someone.
Matthew :18 21-22 21 Then Peter came to Jesus and asked, “Lord, how many times shall I forgive my brother or sister who sins against me? Up to seven times?”
22 Jesus answered, “I tell you, not seven times, but seventy-seven times
Nobody is disputing the number 77.
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