It’s very unlikely that an entire presidency can be erased. He was sworn in by the Chief Justice of the Supreme Court, which legally made him President, however he got there. More pragmatically, how do you unwind spending bills he signed, for example? That money is spent and gone. But these pardons are so recent and no American citizen would believe he has legal competency.
If you rob a bank and give the money away, do you as a recipient of that money get to keep it? No, you are guilty of receiving stolen goods. If you are made president via a stolen election, and it is proven, does any edict that you made, any pardon that you gave stand? We will never get the 4 years of this theft back, but why wouldn't we get the benefit of justice?
My only rebuttal destroys itself due to receipts (ie paper trail).
If you unknowingly receive stolen funds in cash for goods or services, you may never be found out & would have no idea you were part of/a recipient of stolen property. It is gone & untraceable if the culprit refuses to talk.
Now if they used credit cards, debit cards, or checks, then those could be traced.
We are in uncharted legal territory & I pray the courts agree with this common logic you laid out.
That showdown will be glorious to watch!! They have been forced into another corner - Joe was not competent enough to be prosecuted for stolen records a few months ago but he is now competent to pardon 8000 people? Cant have it both ways Barrack.
Doesn't matter. He was "elected" through fraud. It WILL be proven,and any pardon or executive order will be null and void. Fraud vitiates everything.
u/WinsAnon I would love your legal take on the idea that these pardons won't be acceptable because of the "fraud vitivates everything" idea Q put out.
Also do you think the Supreme Court would use that precedent to undo everything legally done in the past 4 years?
Curious what your legal mind is thinking...
It’s very unlikely that an entire presidency can be erased. He was sworn in by the Chief Justice of the Supreme Court, which legally made him President, however he got there. More pragmatically, how do you unwind spending bills he signed, for example? That money is spent and gone. But these pardons are so recent and no American citizen would believe he has legal competency.
Thank you, this is the information that helps keep things in perspective.
If you rob a bank and give the money away, do you as a recipient of that money get to keep it? No, you are guilty of receiving stolen goods. If you are made president via a stolen election, and it is proven, does any edict that you made, any pardon that you gave stand? We will never get the 4 years of this theft back, but why wouldn't we get the benefit of justice?
My only rebuttal destroys itself due to receipts (ie paper trail).
If you unknowingly receive stolen funds in cash for goods or services, you may never be found out & would have no idea you were part of/a recipient of stolen property. It is gone & untraceable if the culprit refuses to talk.
Now if they used credit cards, debit cards, or checks, then those could be traced.
We are in uncharted legal territory & I pray the courts agree with this common logic you laid out.
That showdown will be glorious to watch!! They have been forced into another corner - Joe was not competent enough to be prosecuted for stolen records a few months ago but he is now competent to pardon 8000 people? Cant have it both ways Barrack.
Not just the pardons.
HE? REALLY?!?!?!!
Issue pardons? Heck, who's writing the checks to Ukraine if he can't even tell us what a pen is?
guess the DNC needs to give back all the billions they sent to Ukraine...since they all knew..makes the accessories to the crime
Well that’s an interesting thought process - right on the money though so true. Can a compromised man make good decisions? Nope.
Since he is an illegal president of a bankrupt corporation or an actor playing a role those pardons are a joke anyway. It's all a distraction.