We will also see.

China is not Russia. For example Mao attempted to invade the Soviet Union 5 times, failing in a week every time.

And opposed, offensive amphibious invasions are the hardest possible military maneuver, bar nothing else.

For example the Allies brought he single largest assembled fleet in human history, more firepower than had ever been unlashed at once (if I recall right, millions of tons of munitions), and the largest assembled force of infantry in history....up against the German rear-guard after most of the forces had been redirected with an infamous intelligence op...And D-day damn NEAR failed on the first day. Its widely credited that if it wasn't for the absolute heroism of US and Canadian NCO's and enlisted, taking on commanding small units on their own with no Captains or majors to direct them, making it up as they went, because most of the commissioned officers were gunned down on the sand (the nazis targeted officers first) on Omaha beach, the offensive would have fallen apart in the first hours.

It should be interesting to see what China will do as the Taiwanese line the beaches with machine guns, artillery, and the US Navy comes in on the flank with several carrier groups. They are realistically facing 50x more opposition than the Allies did at Normandy. Not in terms of numbers, but assembled firepower.

Also Taiwan has a pretty powerful air force for its size. And they were sold the finest jets of the US late cold war era. They have F-16's which are one of, if not the best dogfighting jet of the 4th generation. I think they have F-15's as well, THE best and most successful interceptor ever made, bar nothing, as well.

And I've been sticking my nose into military aviation for a while. I have yet to be impressed with the Chinese knock off of the Su-35. All indications its vastly inferior to the Soviet jet of the 1980's, let alone modernized jets. Its biggest problem is the engines are vastly underpowered, far less powerful than the soviet ones. Apparently Chinese manufacturing cannot match the tolerances and precision needed to make powerful turbofans, so the actual engines are outputting below design specs. China has discovered that despite copying soviet designs and stealing US ones, they simply cannot match the manufacturing expertise of either.

This means their jets are going to be at a huge disadvantage both in Dogfighting and BVR missile combat, where getting max Mach is everything for surviving the fight. Which is also why the F-15 is such an absolute beast of an interceptor, its thrust to weight ratio while fuled AND armed is 1:1, the F-16, I believe, does even better with like 1.1:1 The Chinese j-20 and its like are not even achieving 0.8:1 at combat loadout. This means the Taiwan's jets can hit higher mach, launch their missiles sooner, and "crank" harder and faster to evade return fire. See bit of info for you. Missiles only burn their fuel for about 10 seconds in flight. During that time they will go form the speed of the launching aircraft to about +2 mach, for a total speed of about mach 3-mach 4. If you can force a missile to do about a 90 degree turn or more to track you by "cranking" which is basically pulling a huge turn until the enemy is at the very limit of the radar's side to side sweep, after firing your own missiles. This is done so you can still track the enemy, but it forces their missiles to turn to keep on target. The missile, now gliding, will bleed about 80% of its speed from mach 3.5 to about mach 1.5 or so, and constantly decreasing while trying to follow you. If your jet in turn can run mach 1.8, you can literally outrun the enemy's missile. But you need powerful as hell engines to keep that speed after a turn.

So with a 1:1 thrust ratio, then can crank harder, climb faster, again hit high mach faster, and fire missiles at higher top speeds, meaning again their missiles will have more energy for maneuvering to target. And then if they get down into a dogfight furball, the massive thrust advantage mean the F-15/f-16 can stay higher and faster, meaning they will stay above stall longer, sot hey can relentlessly close the turning circles until they get a firing solution.

The reason everyone shat bricks about the late Soviet Sukois was they had dogfighting turning circles tighter than western jets while matching their 1:1 thrust ratios. China has been unable to copy this success.

China attempted to build a huge army, but its a paper dragon. Its all "made in China" quality equipment flown by rabid chicoms who arn't even smart enough to properly use what they have. And that is to say nothing about how badly the Chinese military is with joint operations.

We will also see.

China is not Russia. For example Mao attempted to invade the Soviet Union 5 times, failing in a week every time.

And opposed, offensive amphibious invasions are the hardest possible military maneuver, bar nothing else.

For example the Allies brought he single largest assembled fleet in human history, more firepower than had ever been unlashed at once (if I recall right, millions of tons of munitions), and the largest assembled force of infantry in history....up against the German rear-guard after most of the forces had been redirected with an infamous intelligence op...And D-day damn NEAR failed on the first day. Its widely credited that if it wasn't for the absolute heroism of US and Canadian NCO's and enlisted, taking on commanding small units on their own with no Captains or majors to direct them, making it up as they went, because most of the commissioned officers were gunned down on the sand (the nazis targeted officers first) on Omaha beach, the offensive would have fallen apart in the first hours.

It should be interesting to see what China will do as the Taiwanese line the beaches with machine guns, artillery, and the US Navy comes in on the flank with several carrier groups. They are realistically facing 50x more opposition than the Allies did at Normandy. Not in terms of numbers, but assembled firepower.

Also Taiwan has a pretty powerful air force for its size. And they were sold the finest jets of the US late cold war era. They have F-16's which are one of, if not the best dogfighting jet of the 4th generation. I think they have F-15's as well, THE best and most successful interceptor ever made, bar nothing, as well.

And I've been sticking my nose into military aviation for a while. I have yet to be impressed with the Chinese knock off of the Su-35. All indications its vastly inferior to the Soviet jet of the 1980's, let alone modernized jets. Its biggest problem is the engines are vastly underpowered, far less powerful than the soviet ones, meaning its going to be at a huge disadvantage both in Dogfighting, but also BVR missile combat where getting max Mach is everything for surviving the fight. Which is also why the F-15 is such an absolute beast of an interceptor, its thrust to weight, fully armed for CAP, is 1:1, the F-16, I believe, does even better with like 1.1:1 The Chinese j-20 and its like are not even achiving 0.8:1 at combat loadout. This means the Taiwain can hit higher mach, launch their missiles sooner, and "crank" harder and faster to evade return fire. They then can come about, climb faster, again high high mach faster, and fire missiles at higher top speeds, meaning again their missiles will have more energy for maneuvering to target. And then if they get down into a dogfight furball, the massive thrust advantage mean the F-15/f-16 can stay higher and faster, meaning they will stay above stall longer, sot hey can relentlessly close the turning circles until they get a firing solution.

The reason every shat bricks about the late Soviet Sukois was they had dogfighting turning circles tighter than western jets while matching their 1:1 thrust ratios. China has been unable to copy this success.

China attempted to build a huge army, but its a paper dragon. Its all "made in China" quality equipment flown by rabid chicoms who arn't even smart enough to properly use what they have. And that is to say nothing about how badly the Chinese military is with joint operations.

We will also see.

China is not Russia. For example Mao attempted to invade the Soviet Union 5 times, failing in a week every time.

And opposed, offensive amphibious invasions are the hardest possible military maneuver, bar nothing else.

For example the Allies brought he single largest assembled fleet in human history, more firepower than had ever been unlashed at once (if I recall right, millions of tons of munitions), and the largest assembled force of infantry in history....up against the German rear-guard after most of the forces had been redirected with an infamous intelligence op...And D-day damn NEAR failed on the first day. Its widely credited that if it wasn't for the absolute heroism of US and Canadian NCO's and enlisted, taking on commanding small units on their own with no Captains or majors to direct them, making it up as they went, because most of the commissioned officers were gunned down on the sand (the nazis targeted officers first) on Omaha beach, the offensive would have fallen apart in the first hours.

It should be interesting to see what China will do as the Taiwanese line the beaches with machine guns, artillery, and the US Navy comes in on the flank with several carrier groups. They are realistically facing 50x more opposition than the Allies did at Normandy. Not in terms of numbers, but assembled firepower.

Also Taiwan has a pretty powerful air force for its size. And they were sold the finest jets of the US late cold war era. They have F-16's which are one of, if not the best dogfighting jet of the 4th generation. I think they have F-15's as well, THE best and most successful interceptor ever made, bar nothing, as well.

And I've been sticking my nose into military aviation for a while. I have yet to be impressed with the Chinese knock off of the Su-35. All indications its vastly inferior to the Soviet jet of the 1980's, let alone modernized jets. Its biggest problem is the engines are vastly underpowered, far less powerful than the soviet ones, meaning its going to be at a huge disadvantage both in Dogfighting, but also BVR missile combat where getting max Mach is everything for surviving the fight. Which is also why the F-15 is such an absolute beast of an interceptor, its thrust to weight, fully armed for CAP, is 1:1, the F-16, I believe, does even better with like 1.1:1 The Chinese j-20 and its like are not even achiving 0.8:1 at combat loadout. This means the Taiwain can hit higher mach, launch their missiles sooner, and "crank" harder and faster to evade return fire. They then can come about, climb faster, again high high mach faster, and fire missiles at higher top speeds, meaning again their missiles will have more energy for maneuvering to target. And then if they get down into a dogfight furball, the massive thrust advantage mean the F-15/f-16 can stay higher and faster, meaning they will stay above stall longer, sot hey can relentlessly close the turning circles until they get a firing solution.

The reason every shat bricks about the late Soviet Sukois was they had dogfighting turning circles tighter than western jets while matching their 1:1 thrust ratios. China has been unable to copy this success.

We will also see.

China is not Russia. For example Mao attempted to invade the Soviet Union 5 times, failing in a week every time.

And opposed, offensive amphibious invasions are the hardest possible military maneuver, bar nothing else.

For example the Allies brought he single largest assembled fleet in human history, more firepower than had ever been unlashed at once (if I recall right, millions of tons of munitions), and the largest assembled force of infantry in history....up against the German rear-guard after most of the forces had been redirected with an infamous intelligence op...And D-day damn NEAR failed on the first day. Its widely credited that if it wasn't for the absolute heroism of US and Canadian NCO's and enlisted, taking on commanding small units on their own with no Captains or majors to direct them, making it up as they went, because most of the commissioned officers were gunned down on the sand (the nazis targeted officers first) on Omaha beach, the offensive would have fallen apart in the first hours.

It should be interesting to see what China will do as the Taiwanese line the beaches with machine guns, artillery, and the US Navy comes in on the flank with several carrier groups. They are realistically facing 50x more opposition than the Allies did at Normandy. Not in terms of numbers, but assembled firepower.

Also Taiwan has a pretty powerful air force for its size. And they were sold the finest jets of the US late cold war era. They have F-16's which are one of, if not the best dogfighting jet of the 4th generation. I think they have F-15's as well, THE best and most successful interceptor ever made, bar nothing, as well.

And I've been sticking my nose into military aviation for a while. I have yet to be impressed with the Chinese knock off of the Su-35. All indications its vastly inferior to the Soviet jet of the 1980's, let alone modernized jets. Its biggest problem is the engines are vastly underpowered, far less powerful than the soviet ones, meaning its going to be at a huge disadvantage both in Dogfighting, but also BVR missile combat where getting max Mach is everything for surviving the fight.

We will also see.

China is not Russia. For example Mao attempted to invade the Soviet Union 5 times, failing in a week every time.

And opposed, offensive amphibious invasions are the hardest possible military maneuver, bar nothing else.

For example the Allies brought he single largest assembled fleet in human history, more firepower than had ever been unlashed at once (if I recall right, millions of tons of munitions), and the largest assembled force of infantry in history....up against the German rear-guard after most of the forces had been redirected with an infamous intelligence op...And D-day damn NEAR failed on the first day. Its widely credited that if it wasn't for the absolute heroism of US and Canadian NCO's and enlisted, taking on commanding small units on their own with no Captains or majors to direct them, making it up as they went, because most of the commissioned officers were gunned down on the sand (the nazis targeted officers first) on Omaha beach, the offensive would have fallen apart in the first hours.

It should be interesting to see what China will do as the Taiwanese line the beaches with machine guns, artillery, and the US Navy comes in on the flank with several carrier groups. They are realistically facing 100x more opposition than the Allies did at Normandy.

Also Tiwain has a pretty powerful airforce for its size. And they have F-16's which are one of, if not the best dogfighting jet of the 4th generation. I think they have F-15's as well, THE best and most successful interceptor ever made, bar nothing, as well.