Ok. So you're with the nurture side of the debate, I take it.

That we're like we are because of how society shapes us.

Edited to add:

Not sure if you were paying attention to what I was saying, but that entire conversation began with me saying:

"Wondering how much of their behavior is a result of being treated as subhuman/evil/degenerates/whatever by society at large."

Do you see how that ties into what I'm talking about with the nature/nurture stuff?

That delightful person I was speaking with yesterday was making the argument (or trying to, anyway) that trans people had mental problems because they were Trans, not because of how they are treated. That it was a nature issue.

But if society can make people trans and deviants, why does it seem unreasonable that society can affect their mental stability as well?

The entire point of the conversation seems to have gotten lost.

Now, if you'd like to have a conversation about that, then I'd be happy to do so.

Ok. So you're with the nurture side of the debate, I take it.

That we're like we are because of how society shapes us.

Edited to add:

Not sure if you were paying attention to what I was saying, but that entire conversation with me saying:

"Wondering how much of their behavior is a result of being treated as subhuman/evil/degenerates/whatever by society at large."

Do you see how that ties into what I'm talking about with the nature/nurture stuff?

That delightful person I was speaking with yesterday was making the argument (or trying to, anyway) that trans people had mental problems because they were Trans, not because of how they are treated.

But if society can make people trans and deviants, why does it seem unreasonable that society can affect their mental stability as well?

The entire point of the conversation seems to have gotten lost.

Now, if you'd like to have a conversation about that, then I'd be happy to do so.

Ok. So you're with the nurture side of the debate, I take it.

That we're like we are because of how society shapes us.