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Kampfer 1 point ago +1 / -0

Jonah was free to continue to defy God. He would have died in the whale as a consequence, but he could have done it.

He could have, but did He? Where did Jonah end up going?

Paul could have likewise refused to do what God told him to and suffered the consequences.

He could have, but did he? What did Paul end up doing?

What does the term "Kick against the goads" mean?

(Acts 26:14) We all fell to the ground, and I heard a voice saying to me in Aramaic, ‘Saul, Saul, why do you persecute me? It is hard for you to kick against the goads.’

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Kampfer 1 point ago +1 / -0

I answered the question, but you are a Gnostic, (not a Christian), so we use the same words with different meanings and talk right past one another.

The anti-Christian false teaching of Gnosticism was warned about and dealt with quite a bit in New Testament churches:

(Galatians 1:6) I marvel that you are turning away so soon from Him who called you in the grace of Christ, to a different gospel

(Galatians 1:8) But even if we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel to you than what we have preached to you, let him be accursed

(Colossians 2:8-10) Beware lest anyone cheat you through philosophy and empty deceit, according to the tradition of men, according to the basic principles of the world, and not according to Christ. For in Him dwells all the fullness of the Godhead bodily; and you are complete in Him, who is the head of all principality and power.

(Colossians 2:20-23) Therefore, if you died with Christ from the basic principles of the world, why, as though living in the world, do you subject yourselves to regulations— “Do not touch, do not taste, do not handle,” which all concern things which perish with the using—according to the commandments and doctrines of men? These things indeed have an appearance of wisdom in self-imposed religion, false humility, and neglect of the body, but are of no value against the indulgence of the flesh.

(1 Timothy 6:20) Timothy, guard what has been entrusted to your care. Turn away from godless chatter and the opposing ideas of what is falsely called knowledge,

(1 Timothy 4:1-2) Now the Spirit expressly says that in latter times some will depart from the faith, giving heed to deceiving spirits and doctrines of demons, speaking lies in hypocrisy, having their own conscience seared with a hot iron,

God hates Gnosticism and its forms (Rev. 2:6).

Gnosticism has many forms and a history in Balaamism that brings it full circle to today. Not pretty.

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Kampfer 1 point ago +1 / -0

So all the children born down in Epstein’s tunnels that never heard the name Jesus go to hell forever?

What is the real motivation behind your question? Another anti-Christian smear wrapped in a hyperbolic hypothetical?

Does the question, however it is answered, change whether or not Christianity is true? It doesn’t. If God exists and has revealed Himself to us, and if Christ is the only way to God, then the question may puzzle us, but it won’t change the truth of the Christian message. The Gospel remains the same.

First, we can trust in the nature and character of God to deal with man fairly and justly.

Second, All mankind has a sin problem. No one is innocent: (Romans 3:23) For all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God

(Romans 6:23) For the wages of sin is death...

Third, God gave us Jesus as a solution to the sin problem: (John 1:14) And the Word became flesh, and dwelt among us, and we saw His glory, glory as of the only begotten from the Father, full of grace and truth

(John 3:16) For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life.

Fourth, God gave two witnesses of His existence: creation and conscience.

(Psalm 91:1) “The heavens declare the glory of God; the skies proclaim the work of His hands. Day after day they pour forth speech; night after night they display knowledge.

(Romans 1:20) For his invisible attributes, namely, his eternal power and divine nature, have been clearly perceived, ever since the creation of the world, in the things that have been made. So they are without excuse.

(Romans 1:19) Since what may be known about God is plain to them, because God has made it plain to them.

(Romans 2:14-16) 2:14 For whenever the Gentiles, who do not have the law, do by nature the things required by the law, these who do not have the law are a law to themselves. 15 They show that the work of the law is written in their hearts, as their conscience bears witness and their conflicting thoughts accuse or else defend them, 16 on the day when God will judge the secrets of human hearts, according to my gospel through Christ Jesus

The most important question any of us can answer is the one Jesus asked his own disciples, “But what about you? Who do you say I am?” (Matthew 16:15; Mark 8:29; Luke 9:20).

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Kampfer 1 point ago +1 / -0

In regard to worshiping God, you posted:

No entity truly of the Divine would seek to be worshipped. (Not even Jesus.)

God seeks to be loved. Worship isn’t love.

You have seen the error of that anti-Christian view. That is good.

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Kampfer 1 point ago +1 / -0

The Bible, I stick with. Your anti-Christian out of context proof texts, I throw away and contend for the faith once delivered to the saints.

Your views are unorthodox, anti-Christian and unsupported by Scripture.

The Bible is God's word and inerrant. Jesus is the pre-existing One born of a virgin, as prophesied, crucified on a cross, rose again on the third day and will return again to make war and conquer the enemies of God.

We were separated from God by our sins and the cross and resurrection make forgiveness of sins and a right relationship with God possible through faith. The wages of sin is death, but the gift of God is eternal life. Unbelief leads to eternal punishment.

Moreover, brethren, I declare to you the gospel which I preached to you, which also you received and in which you stand, by which also you are saved, if you hold fast that word which I preached to you—unless you believed in vain. For I delivered to you first of all that which I also received: that Christ died for our sins according to the Scriptures, and that He was buried, and that He rose again the third day according to the Scriptures. (1 Corinthians 15:1–4)

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Kampfer 1 point ago +1 / -0

Like I said, I will remain "close-minded" and stick to believing the Bible and worshiping God.

I am not influenced by your anti-Christian word salad. I am steadfast in standing on the promises of God and in my salvation by faith in Christ.

You, seemingly, feel wronged by some institutional church and it has made you bitter, anti-biblical and unorthodox in your views to the level that you call elemental Christian doctrines, "Satanic". That isn't good. It is ugly.

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Kampfer 1 point ago +1 / -0

No entity truly of the Divine would seek to be worshipped. (Not even Jesus.)

Wrong.

(Luke 4:8) And Jesus answered him, “It is written, “‘You shall worship the Lord your God, and him only shall you serve.’”

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Kampfer 1 point ago +1 / -0

That’s the end of the conversation. Either expand your thinking or remain close minded.

Contrary to your directive, I will remain "close minded", while believing the Bible (Christ's supremacy, salvation by faith, Hell, etc.) and worshiping the God of Exodus 3:14.

(Matt. 7:13-14) 13 “Enter through the narrow gate. For wide is the gate and broad is the road that leads to destruction, and many enter through it. 14 But small is the gate and narrow the road that leads to life, and only a few find it.

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Kampfer 1 point ago +1 / -0

So you won't say that the God of Exodus 3:14, I am, is to be worshiped.

Furthermore, you definitively say that Jesus, who is I am, should not be worshiped.

These are anti-Christian beliefs.

The Bible clearly states that we are to worship God:

(Exodus 34:14) (for you shall worship no other god, for the Lord, whose name is Jealous, is a jealous God),

(Luke 4:8) And Jesus answered him, “It is written, “‘You shall worship the Lord your God, and him only shall you serve.’”

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Kampfer 1 point ago +1 / -0

Again I am not Catholic or a defender of the RCC. I haven't quoted RCC doctrine.

Scriptures predated the RCC by hundreds of years and were passed among the apostles and NT churches. Scriptures are profitable for for teaching, for reproof, for correction, and for training in righteousness, that the man of God may be complete, equipped for every good work.

Is God. I am, of Exodus 3:14 to be worshiped? Will you answer that question? You seem to have a problem with Jesus being worshiped. but, as He said, he is the God of Exodus 3:14. Jesus is "I am". Is "I am" to be worshiped, or not?

There is only one person in this conversation attacking the Bible, orthodox Christianity and biblical doctrine and it isn't me. That is clear.

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Kampfer 1 point ago +1 / -0

Your idea that anyone that does not read the same book as you and have the same ideas about God of you goes to hell is satanic, yes. Christ never said that.

You keep twisting words and meanings.

This is one of the many things that Jesus said about Hell:

(Matt. 10:28) Do not be afraid of those who kill the body but cannot kill the soul. Rather, be afraid of the One who can destroy both soul and body in hell.

(Matt. 11:21-24) Then Jesus began to denounce the towns in which most of his miracles had been performed, because they did not repent. 21 “Woe to you, Chorazin! Woe to you, Bethsaida! For if the miracles that were performed in you had been performed in Tyre and Sidon, they would have repented long ago in sackcloth and ashes. 22 But I tell you, it will be more bearable for Tyre and Sidon on the day of judgment than for you. 23 And you, Capernaum, will you be lifted to the heavens? No, you will go down to Hades.[e] For if the miracles that were performed in you had been performed in Sodom, it would have remained to this day. 24 But I tell you that it will be more bearable for Sodom on the day of judgment than for you.”

Do you consider what Jesus said here to also be Satanic in nature?

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Kampfer 1 point ago +1 / -0

As you have posted in the past, you dont even believe that the Bible is infallible.

You disagree with the fundamentals of the Christian faith.

You believe that the doctrines of the supremacy of Christ, salvation by faith and Hell, etc. are Satanic in nature.

These are anti-Christian beliefs.

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Kampfer 1 point ago +1 / -0

You are twisting words, while you attack orthodox/biblical Christianity, including the supremacy of Christ and the doctrine of Hell (you called these doctrines and salvation by faith in Christ, "Satanic").

You revealed yourself to be no friend of Christianity.

You are attempting to make it something different than the faith laid out in God's Word.

The telepathy and oneness that you speak of is not found in Scripture, is not practiced by Christians in Scripture and is a New Age ideal.

Which of the five fundamentals of fundamentalism do you also wish to attack now?

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Kampfer 1 point ago +1 / -0

Youre the one having to explain the verses with large, extrapolated contexts. I am saying they mean exactly what is written as the mean: that we are all one body and one mind, which is exactly what it says.

I just quoted Scripture with no large extrapolation.

You, however, have questioned the basis of the Christian faith by questioning the supremacy of Christ (you called it Satanic).

You called the doctrine of Hell Satanic.

You attack the church and biblical doctrine.

You advocate for New Age doctrines while using proof texts that are completely devoid of context.

That is odd for a Christian.

Now, you attack Christian fundamentalism. Which of the five fundamentals of fundamentalism do you disagree with:

biblical inerrancy? divine nature of Jesus Christ? his virgin birth? resurrection of Christ and his return?

With every post you reveal decidedly anti-Christian views.

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Kampfer 1 point ago +1 / -0

And that’s exactly why the true meaning is still able to be found, but first you have to take off the blinders of mainstream Christian doctrine. The modern church is designed to hide the truth, not teach it.

I am not sure what mainstream Christian doctrine is, but I do know what Biblical doctrine is. I will stick with what Scripture teaches and not New Age telepathic consciousness.

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Kampfer 1 point ago +1 / -0

The same pedophiles in the Vatican who came up with this idea grafted it into the Christian story because they needed to corrupt and destroy the true ministry of Jesus

I am not Catholic, nor am I a defender of the RCC.

NT Scripture existed hundreds of years before the RCC and was referred to as Scripture by Paul, Peter, and the Apostles. The Bible is independent of the RCC and is authoritative as the Word of God.

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