It's one of the better impressions, but if he slowed the pace down it would match a lot more...
*... A lot more, folks, let me tell you. *
They debunk their own made up stories such as their own concocted straw man theory that March 4th was gonna be Trump’s real inauguration - iT neVEr cAmE tRuE!...
To be fair that was VERY MUCH SO a real theory, shared in this very sub. March 4th had many theories surrounding it, and as far as we are aware, nothing out of the ordinary/highly notable happened on that day as opposed to any other day in the past year.
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Fuck off
I would appreciate it if you took the time to consider what I am writing instead of just ignoring it altogether. I have done my best to go through every point you have made in each of your comments, while you have acted as if I do not exist at all. You are talking to a brick wall if you do not acknowledge and react accordingly to my comments. There's no need for hostility or bad behavior between us, so can't we have a genuine discussion with each other?
It's funny that you think I'm the one seeking something here. I've provided you direct evidence of how The Bible tells us of things to come, which you are deliberately ignoring.
You are not participating in a good faith discussion, you are not trying to learn more about Christ and reinforce your faith, and you are not trying to share your faith with others. Your behavior is frankly quite rude and does nothing to support Christ, since you hold positions which The Bible EXPLICITLY contradicts. When you're ready to come out of your cult and start responding to the facts which have been presented to you, I will always be ready for a real discussion. You are arguing against yourself, currently.
As I said above, I'll pray for you.
I would appreciate it if you took the time to consider what I am writing instead of just ignoring it altogether. I have done my best to go through every point you have made in each of your comments, while you have acted as if I do not exist at all. You are talking to a brick wall if you do not acknowledge and react accordingly to my comments. There's no need for hostility or bad behavior between us, so can't we have a genuine discussion with each other?
The irony of telling me that I'm going to follow a false prophet while you are actively supporting and encouraging one yourself. The irony of telling me that there will be lies and that we need to look at The Truth, while refusing to look at The Truth.
Sorry brother, I can see that this is a topic that is of great interest to you. As I noted, I simply do not have the time to discuss it at length. I believe your interpretation--one that only became popular in the 1800's--is faulty.
You can believe that all you want but I provided links that show this is the best interpretation of what The Bible says that we have.
At the same time, as we are living these very times, we will see with our own eyes, and what will happen will be. Thus, there is not a great incentive to discuss at length.
None of the actions that occur during The Tribulation have come to pass yet. To say that we are currently in it is highly ignorant. Where is the False Prophet? Where is the one world currency? Where are the Two Witnesses? Where are the 3 1/2 years of peace and 3 1/2 years of war? We are not there yet for a multitude of reasons.
As the Bible notes, there will be many martyrs during this period. Martyrs of course refers to Christians.
Martyrs refers to Christians who are killed BECAUSE of their faith and refusal to take the Mark of the Beast. It's highly explicit.
However, when Christ returns after the Tribulation we will in fact see him coming 'in the clouds', not before.
I've addressed this in your last comment. If you're not going to even bother to consider what I write, what are you doing here? You have ignored basically the entirety of my previous comment. That is not genuine discussion. Stop using the excuse of, "time" and just reply when you DO have time.
The very notion that Christians--as a result of reciting a few words in Scripture--will get to miss out on the entire Tribulation period is really silly and certainly not Biblical.
It's explicitly from The Bible with direct context and relation from The Tribulation. How can you even argue it's, "not Biblical?" We don't get to pick and choose which verses we like - The Word of God is not defined by us.
Jews, like Christians have always suffered more, not less than other groups. The Tribulation period will be no exception to that rule. Millions will be martyred for their faith.
Do you think that God is not in control? Do you really think the purpose of Tribulation is to punish unbelievers while simultaneously focusing the hardest on believers? Do you not see the mutually exclusive positions that you hold?
Tribulation is not about Christians. That doesn't mean that bad things will not happen to new Christians who found their faith during the Tribulation.
There is a partial truth to what you believe in that God will make provision for believers in places called refuges. You can read about these at www.johnleary.com and many other places.
I love how you accuse me of being non-biblical while posting to a website whose copyright hasn't been updated since 2008, and someone who defines himself as Catholic, claims himself to be a prophet, and comes up with ideas that are in no conceivable way supported from Biblical text. Hell, The Bible explicitly warns us about people like him - they're called false prophets.
I'd think you were a troll if I hadn't seen you post other cult-like ideas like this before.
God has called many individuals to build shelters so that at the appointed time, those who have the seal on their forehead will be called to the nearest refuge. Refuges will be guarded by angels, food will be multiplied and only believers will be admitted. However, life will be very rustic, with no electricity etc.
Absolutely NONE of this is Biblical. It is the exact opposite of what Revelations defines.
https://www.gotquestions.org/saved-after-mark-beast.html
This also relates to your remarks about the martyr's - The Bible is INCREDIBLY explicit about this. Those who do not take the mark will be killed, those who do take the mark are damned for eternity. It is explicit in Revelations 14:10-11.
I will pray for you.
While believers will be protected through the end of the Tribulation at these refuges, those who reside their for 3.5 years will live a very difficult life. The Christians who do not make it to the Refuges will be eventually executed as the antichrist tries to remove ALL evidence of Jesus from the world. So, the fact that Christians will leave for these refuges may appear to others as a sort of rapture. That is possible. However, the scripture passage (about being called up into the clouds) does not refer to the "rapture" but rather the 2nd Coming.
If it were not for the refuges, where believers will be protected, there would no left Christians left to meet Jesus when he comes to defend Israel.
There will be Christians present during and at the end of Tribulation - Those who have never heard or been exposed to The Word of God and Jesus's testimony before can be saved during Tribulation. What else is the purpose of The Two Witnesses, and the 144,000? Those Christians must either be martyrs or hide from the New World Order, Cabal, whatever you want to call them, or they would be killed for not taking the Mark of the Beast.
I would appreciate it if you took the time to consider what I am writing instead of just ignoring it altogether. I have done my best to go through every point you have made in each of your comments, while you have acted as if I do not exist at all. You are talking to a brick wall if you do not acknowledge and react accordingly to my comments. There's no need for hostility or bad behavior between us, so can't we have a genuine discussion with each other?
So a gay dude who had sex with another gay dude one time but then decided to abandon that path and turn to Christ is the same as a gay dude who systematically raped dozens of children before deciding to do the same as the first? Both these guys get to go to heaven? Heaven is filled with degenerate child rapists? Or am I missing a piece of this puzzle?
That's quite a few logical fallacies right there. Simply because a child rapist CAN make it to heaven does not mean that heaven is filled with degenerate child rapists. But, moving on from that and addressing what should be your main concern:
How God perceives sin and how you and I perceives it are different. All sin has an equal punishment of death, and we are all sinners who sin daily. At a high level overview, SPECIFIC thoughts with intent can be sin, and failing to do certain actions can be sin. To summarize it for 40k feet, sin is from, "the heart" and not necessarily an action as violent as raping a child.
Your sin is no greater than my sin, nor a degenerate child rapist's sin any greater than mine in the eyes of The Lord. That being said, certain actions such as general degeneracy are viewed as an, "abomination before The Lord" and is said as such frequently in The Bible. The Bible rarely uses that term, but does so repeatedly in regards to degeneracy such as faggotry.
So I'm not saying that YOU are no different than a child rapist or anything of that nature. I am however saying that the penalty for sin is death, no matter the sin itself.
The difference is that Christ died for us, to save us from our sin. He lived a perfect life and paid the price of our sins by dying FOR us. Sinners cannot enter Heaven, and Christ's death (and our salvation through him) makes us whole. At a believer's judgement day before God, Christ is effectively our, "admit one" ticket into Heaven, if you want to simplify it as such. He lived a perfect life because we cannot.
Isaiah 64:6 : For all of us have become like one who is unclean, And all our righteous deeds are like a filthy garment; And all of us wither like a leaf, And our wrongdoings, like the wind, take us away.
If we were to be admitted into Heaven based on OUR works and deeds, no one could enter. A single sin has the penalty of death, and we ALL sin daily - it is inevitable. We STRIVE to reduce the sins we commit, but we are imperfect humans and will continue sinning until death. That's just the reality of things.
Only one man was perfect, and we crucified him. That says enough about humanity.
When one becomes, "saved", and accepts salvation, one is putting their trust into Christ. You are believing that he was the perfect Son of God, you confess that you are a sinner, confess and repent from your sins, and you put your faith in Christ. You strive to be more like Christ whenever possible, sinning less and fulfilling the duties that God wants out of your life. You try to, "move" closer to Christ daily. You do these things genuinely from your "heart" and repent from sin.
It's not that anyone STOPS sinning, but you trust and lean on Christ to try to move away from your sin as much as you humanly can. Sinners do still end up in Heaven - this is the point of Christ. You don't send a doctor to help sick people just as you don't send a Christ to provide salvation to those who are not already lost.
There are penalties for our sin and actions in Heaven - we are rewarded for good deeds and behavior, and we are stripped of rewards and blessings for sin. The purpose of writing all of this is by NO means to say, "SIN AWAY! YOU'RE FORGIVEN ANYWAYS!" An attitude such as that would likely indicate that someone was not genuine in their faith to begin with, and was never truly saved. Someone who genuinely believes and wants to follow Christ should show a change of heart and attempts to rebuke and repent from sin. One shouldn't have contentness with sin.
So, if a child rapist is true and genuine about repentance, just as the rest of us are from our own sins, then yes, they can get to Heaven. There's nothing too great for Jesus's blood to wash away. He paid the price for us, all we have to do is accept it.
The issue you have raised is a fairly technical one as would take a great deal of time to review, as necessary to understand our differences. (As I have a great deal of work, I do not have time to do so now).
There are Bible verses to back up every claim I have made here.
As a brief summary, I will only state that Jesus will meet us in the clouds. However, as the Bible clearly states, this will take place at His Second Coming, AFTER the Tribulation and Battle of Armageddon, not before.
You are conflating The Rapture with The Second Coming of Christ. They are two very distinct events. In one, Christ meets us in the clouds (The Rapture), and in the other, Christ returns to Earth (to take his place on the throne, where all bow and acknowledge him as Christ).
https://www.gotquestions.org/difference-Rapture-Second-Coming.html
https://www.gotquestions.org/rapture-tribulation.html
(The Bible does not split these into two separate events, an idea that gained popularity in the 1800's)
It absolutely does, see above. Furthermore I see no relevance as to when the idea gained popularity. The Bible itself did not change causing the confusion, only our limited perspective and interpretation did.
Christ is clearly seen as meeting us in the Clouds and returning to Heaven with no mention of his second coming, and in other verses he does truly return. They are two very distinct events, with very different timelines. MANY other events during Tribulation, including the very purpose of Tribulation, make no sense if the church is still present on Earth. It's literally one of the opening statements to Revelations as a whole, in Chapter 3 if I remember correctly.
The Church and the faithful will suffer through the Tribulation.
And what would the purpose of this be? And why do you contradict what The Bible VERY clearly outlines for us? It EXPLICITLY says that Tribulation is not for believers and that we are spared from it. It's VERY explicit, and outlined in the link above.
The robes, as mentioned in the Book of Revelation, will be washed white, as indicating martyrdom.
You need to clarify what you're trying to say here, your statement as written is ambiguous.
There will be many martyrs in this period, so rejoice brother than you may have the opportunity to give your life for God.
No one is disputing that there are martyrs during Tribulation, that's kind of one of the key points.
As we are heading into that time now, the issue is not merely a theoretical one. You will see for yourself.
Why would you consider any of this to be theoretical? It's in The Bible and clearly prophesized. I'm not sure what relevance this has or what your point here is.
Also, the anti-Christ who will have the intelligence of lucifer, will assuredly make use of the (mis)interpretation you cite to fool believers. So be careful.
Yes, as he IS Satan himself. It is his attempt to create his own Trinity in his attempt to be God.
The second issue is that posting here at the Great Awakening already takes up too much of my time!!! So I don't really have time to branch off into religious discussions.
I think you may have your priorities backwards, then. You are basically admitting that you have an idol in your life. You may want to reflect on that.
However, I respect your beliefs and believe that as 'future proves past' it will be made clear in the coming period. Happy New Year!
I believe it IS clear. The Bible is clearly outlined and the link I sent above clearly addresses your points. There are two distinct events - The Rapture and The Second Coming. There's plenty of commentary that analyzes this and studies that go through the Book of Revelations. Man's word does not matter, only what The Bible says is Truth.
There will be no rapture.
Blatantly going against The Bible. It's very clear on The Rapture.
What do you think these verses are referring to if not The Rapture? https://www.gotquestions.org/rapture-of-the-church.html
It's highly explicit.
We are entering the Tribulation now, as the final days of the pre-Tribulation period wind down.
What do you base this off of if you're not following what The Bible has given to us as the indicator?
The Great Awakening is soon upon us
This isn't biblical whatsoever
a period in which all time will stand still
Show me some verses that support this.
and each person will come before God and see their life in review.
You're talking about The White Throne Judgement and The Judgement Seat of Christ. These are two separate instances, which are quite different. Regardless, one is for believers and one is for nonbelievers. The Judgement Seat of Christ occurs during Tribulation for believers who have been raptured where Christ delivers us from our sin and we are blameless during the "trial", and The White Throne Judgement occurs at the end of the Millennia for nonbelievers. They are shown all of the sin in their life and shown exactly why they are going to the Lake of Fire.
We will be warned not to take the Mark.
We already have been, it's called The Bible. Where do you think a different warning would even come from? The Bible is VERY clear about false prophets - the only thing I could think of is that you're referring to either the 144,000 or The Two Witnesses, but again that's DURING the tribulation and post rapture. The Mark will be easily identifiable based upon the information given to us - the warning is already in The Bible. Revelations is very clear on this.
Then each person will be put back in their bodies and life will resume.
This is post Tribulation and it's much more complicated than that. You're referring to the period of the millennia and massively misunderstanding it.
The Evil Ones will use science to claim this was a mass illusion. It is not. You were informed of this in advance. So when it happens you will know it is true.
"The Evil Ones" Do you mean the fucking Devil? Or are you using this goofy term to refer to The Devil's attempt at the Trinity?
There is a massive deception that is put over people in The Tribulation so that many will not recognize things that are occurring right in front of their eyes, yes, but that's not speaking of the millennia.
If the vax is not the mark of the beast and starts a mass die off, would that not count as the rapture?
Absolutely not. It seems that you may not be familiar with the concept of the rapture.
https://www.gotquestions.org/rapture-of-the-church.html
This summarizes it pretty well. The Rapture is the event in which alive Christians are removed from Earth and brought to Heaven, without having to experience a physical death in the way that others do. It occurs prior to the 7 year tribulation, and is not to be confused with the 2nd coming of Christ.
Everyone who took the vax would have effectively been murdered at that point… Get into heaven free card almost?
Get into heaven free? What are you on about?
The price to get into Heaven has already been paid for - it was the blood of Christ which was shed for our sake. Our works could never amount to anything worthy of Heaven in God's eyes, as we are sin filled creatures. God sent his son, Jesus, to die in our place. Following Christ, admitting that we are sinners, and recognizing Christ as the Son of God is the only way to heaven. No man has ever, "worked" their way into Heaven before - it is not possible. Jesus says our works are like filthy rags before God - it is only through Christ that salvation is possible for us sinners.
Regardless, those who take the Mark of the Beast don't get into Heaven - so I'm not sure how that could be interpreted as a free way into Heaven under any circumstances.
Fuck I really pray this isn’t revelations playing out.
Why? It's God's plan. At the end of the Millennia, Satan is cast into the Lake of Fire, and sin is abolished.
If it is, that means humanity has become pretty fucking depraved and deserves what’s coming.
Of course we do - we are ALL sinners. All sin is equal in punishment, and that punishment is death. Only through Christ are we redeemed.
I always believed revelations was supposed to be a warning, a statement of response if we don’t live good lives.
The Bible is very clear, Revelations is a prophecy of things to come. It is in no means a warning - there are plenty of those throughout The Bible already. Revelations deals with specific things to come, and I believe it would be in your favor to study the book of Revelations. I mean this as no insult - you seem quite ignorant of Revelations and its purpose. You should study up on it.
Sorry brother, that is not entirely Biblical, but I do not want to argue about that here.
Why do you think a forum for discussion can only be used for arguing?
Rapture occurs before the 7 year tribulation. The Mark of the Beast is forced upon people during the 7 year tribulation. It's pretty straightforward.
The chip is coming friends, do not take it.
Rapture occurs before the Mark of the Beast is forced upon people. Only Christians who had never been exposed to the true Word of God before Rapture will be saved post-rapture, and only those Christians will be subjected to The Mark of the Beast.
Don't get me wrong those are big fish, but I wouldn't say they're the biggest fish. Those two are in the public light and are a household name to those who know even a little bit about politics.
I sure as hell don't remember Trump being down with fucking our troops over in Afghanistan, giving our enemies billions and billions of dollars of military equipment, or mandating a shot that will kill civilians.
Ah, you posted an example of YOU being an asshole, insulting me with no basis or point to make.
I thought for sure you weren't stupid enough to post that one, considering how bad it makes you look. Thanks for proving my point, though. It's also nice that you can't read the comment you replied to.
Participating in a discussion is, "going on a rampage today" according to you? And you call ME the fag?
Up to this point, I've made TWO comments today. Both are in this thread. Could you go lie somewhere else, please? That's not desired in this forum.
Why do you think I'm trying to start an argument? This is a forum for discussions. I did nothing argumentative or aggressive in my comment.
You seemed confused about his point - I clarified it for you. How insecure are you?
That wasn't his point. His point was that Jesus went to help those who needed help.
You don't send a doctor to save a perfectly healthy man. Jesus went to sinners to provide salvation to them.
Hey dipshit, when I explicitly say, "I cannot fathom a different possible interpretation," it means that I have tried to consider all other possible interpretations.
If you have a different interpretation, then by all means share it with me. Otherwise, fuck off.
What the fuck else could anyone possibly interpret this as? I cannot fathom any other possible interpretation.
I believe we may be miscommunicating things here. Salvation is not for Jews only by ANY stretch, but instead for Jews and Gentiles. That however does not mean that, "Israel" is for all followers of Christ.
Israel is defined in other places of the bible as being Jews with the direct familial lineage laid out, but it is definitely interesting to see, "those of faith" being called sons of Abraham. I believe that this likely is referring to the origination of Christianity being through Abraham, but perhaps I'm not seeing the full picture - I'm incredibly tired at the moment.
This is certainly something I haven't heard before though, thank you for the discussion! God bless.
What are you trying to claim that this verse supports? Where is the context for this verse?
Still waiting.
Did you know God said Israel were His people regardless if jew or gentile?
What verse specifically refers to followers of Christ as, "Israel?" Israel has always been his Jewish followers.
"You are watching a movie."
Puts a new perspective to that Q quote. Obviously if we go with this premise, it's fair to presume that the given summary isn't exactly accurate, either.
That movie is produced by the standard Jews, though, so make of that what you will.
Seems a bit far fetched overall, and like ALL datefag predictions to this point, time will tell.