Makes sense, right?

But it goes deeper.

Consider a few presumptions and then tie them all together (just like Q wants us to tie together all the crumbs, drops, and phrases that point to the greater map):

1. God gives free will to humans as his children. This is required because true love can only happen when true free will is involved. God wants his children to love him of their own free choice. Also, God, as creator, has free will, thus his children must also have free will. Without that, we would be servants or slaves, not children.

2. God's plans are always for the greatest good and the benefit of his children. But he also is confronted with the reality that his children might fail and use free will in a way that damages his plan. This leads to 3.

3. God's plans involve a) God's portion of work and b) man's portion of work. Only when the two combine correctly does God's plan and ideal become manifest. Only then. (There are reasons why this must be so; for man to inherit dominion over all creation, we must qualify. How? By fulfilling our own portion of the work. Thus, when man also contributes via free will, then he can inherit the position of his Father, become the Owner of the creation, under his Father's sovereignty. If God gave that ownership without Man (Adam) doing anything, then he would be open to accusation from the Angels, and from Creation.)

4. The 'commandment' (Word) of God given to man was necessary for Man to then apply free will, unite in faith with that command, and through doing so, also become a co-creator and thus heir to God.

Put these all together and the implications are staggering. Together, these presuppositions point directly to one thing:

5. God prepares contingency plans. Always. Because God knows that it's possible for any one human to fail in his or her responsibility. The reality of these contingency plans are manifest in scripture via .... prophecy.

Confusion around this point has mislead many, many faithful readers of scripture to misinterpret the meaning of prophecy. The truth is that God gives more than one prophecy for any event or outcome. To illustrate this, look at God's words to Cain in Gen 4:7 "If you do what is right, will you not be accepted? But if you do not do what is right, sin is crouching at your door; it desires to have you, but you must rule over it.”

In other words, do well, and you will be accepted by God. Do wrong, and .... sin will master you. Tragically, Cain chose wrong, using his free will, and murdered his brother, solidifying Satan's control over himself, instead of being freed to unite with his brother and receive God's blessing.

Many people mistakenly think that the different prophecies in the old testament scripture pertain to either Jesus or the Second Coming. What people need to understand is that in fact, the different prophecies (e.g. in Isaiah) pertain all to Jesus. What...? Yes. How can we be sure?

Jesus himself makes it 100% clear in Matt 11:13: "For all the prophets and the law prophesied until John." Until John. The prophets all prophesied for things to happen until John. They were not prophesying about anything after Jesus.

The different prophecies in Isaiah, for example, prophecy that when the Messiah comes, he will be a man of great glory, sitting on the throne of David. But he also prophecies that he will be a man of great suffering, rejected and persecuted.

The reason why these two types of prophecy exist is because of 5. above. What decides it? If the Israelites did well (believed in Jesus) he would be accepted, raised to the Throne of Israel, and the Kingdom would come both in spirit AND in flesh right there. Jesus would rule, Israel would become greater than Rome, and the kingdom would spread throughout the world.

But if the Israelites did not do well? If they failed to have faith in Jesus, to recognize him? Tragedy would ensue, Jesus path would be one of suffering and rejection.

I know this is a lot for some folks to wrap their head around, but it makes sense.

Corroborating evidence:

Luke 7:48 Then Jesus said to her, “Your sins are forgiven.” Jesus could forgive sins even BEFORE the cross.

Matt 11:20 Then Jesus began to denounce the cities in which most of His miracles had been performed, because they did not repent.

Note: He WANTED them to repent.

If you look at the scripture with the idea that Jesus did everything he could in order to turn Israel AWAY from faithlessness to a place of having faith in him, it becomes clear that THIS was God's will and Jesus will.

So then what happened with the Cross? Why did it become necessary?

God prepared Israel for 2000 years, starting from Abraham's family. He worked, labored to lead them and raise them as a righteous people, dedicated to Him and separated from Satan (all the other peoples of the world being under Satan's dominion). Every time they failed, loss faith, he worked a providence to bring them back, to reform them. The details of those 2000 years of work are recorded in the OT.

Thus, in God's entire providence to save the WHOLE World, he chose Abraham's family and descendants as the representatives of all humanity to have faith in Christ when he comes. When, however, the israelites as a whole rejected Jesus, then, like Cain, God and Jesus had no choice but to hand them over to Satan, losing all the 2000 years of work of separation and purification.

Like Cain, they failed. And in this way, the foundation for all of humankind to return to God was lost, claimed by Satan. And Satan closed in for the kill, thinking that if he could destroy Jesus body, the sacred body and presence of God on earth for the first time since Adam, then he would win.

Thus, Jesus, consulting with Moses and Elijah in the spirit, came up with the only plan reasonably possible: "We'll let Satan kill me. I'll pay the price for Israel's faithlessness. I pay the price for their rejecting me. And then, on that foundation, I will build a NEW israel, and expand the providence to continue forward. It means I'll have to complete it at a Second Coming, but it's the only way now, because they have fallen into complete faithlessness".

Of course, I'm illustrating the point by what I believe must have been the discussion and dialog between Jesus, Moses and Elijah (Mt. Transfiguration). Obviously, this is not scripture. But I believe it expresses the reality well.

Note that directly AFTER the Mt of Transfiguration, only THEN did Jesus begin to talk about his death, and about a second coming. Check it out. It's true.

What's my point here: we need to understand that for God to allow Jesus to give up his life - a life that was destined to be the most glorious, wonderful life accomplishing all of God's hopes for his original son Adam - was the most painful thing that God ever experienced. I believe that even the Fall of Adam and Eve, while shocking, was NOT as painful as GOd seeing his true son suffering not only physically, but being rejected in hatred by the people that he (Jesus) loved beyond anything.

Have you ever felt the pain of being utterly rejected by someone you love deeply and sincerely? Multiply that by infinity, for God's pain.

What about Jesus? He WANTED to remain on earth and accomplish a glorious life. Why? Because he KNEW that this was God's great desire. He knew that God would suffer deep pain if he had to go the way of the Cross. (He knew also that if he went that way, all his disciples and many Christians would have to go that way too.) That's the real reason Jesus prayed as he did in Gethsemane. Not out of fear, or weakness? No, out of the deepest desire to find any possible way to fulfill the original plan, fulfill God's desire for his Son to be dressed in Glory, and loved first by Israel, then all the world. Jesus NEVER prayed from weakness, although of course he suffered in the flesh like any man would, the suffering in his heart was much, much greater.

Luke 19:41 "And when he was come near, he beheld the city, and wept over it"

He wanted to remain, if possible, for God, for his followers, and for Israel itself. However, Jesus greatness is revealed when finally, he ALWAYS honored his Father. "Not my will, but thine."

Plan A: Israelites receive Jesus as prophesied, and he becomes the King of Glory, much much greater than Solomon and his kingdom established in the flesh then and there. Requirement: faith by Israel to receive the Messiah, then unity with the Messiah.

Plan B: Israel rejected Jesus, as prophesied as well, and he walks the path of suffering, ultimately paying the price for the rejection of Israel, and postponing the Kingdom on Earth until the Second Coming. Requirement: faith by Christians to receive the Messiah, then unity with the Messiah at Second Coming.

Contingency plans. God makes contingency plans based on whether or not the chosen one(s) fulfill their work in free will and faith.

I say all this merely to further illustrate the principle that God's strategy is to take the hit, and use that to reclaim lost ground (and any ground Satan has is lost ground, because it ALL originally belonged to God).

Is it any wonder that we resonate with the saying from DJT: "I take all of these slings and arrows for you"? No, because he is reflecting Christ, following Christ, and also enduring the hit for the sake of the nation of the USA.

Cheers.

Makes sense, right?

But it goes deeper.

Consider a few presumptions and then tie them all together (just like Q wants us to tie together all the crumbs, drops, and phrases that point to the greater map):

1. God gives free will to humans as his children. This is required because true love can only happen when true free will is involved. God wants his children to love him of their own free choice. Also, God, as creator, has free will, thus his children must also have free will. Without that, we would be servants or slaves, not children.

2. God's plans are always for the greatest good and the benefit of his children. But he also is confronted with the reality that his children might fail and use free will in a way that damages his plan. This leads to 3.

3. God's plans involve a) God's portion of work and b) man's portion of work. Only when the two combine correctly does God's plan and ideal become manifest. Only then. (There are reasons why this must be so; for man to inherit dominion over all creation, we must qualify. How? By fulfilling our own portion of the work. Thus, when man also contributes via free will, then he can inherit the position of his Father, become the Owner of the creation, under his Father's sovereignty. If God gave that ownership without Man (Adam) doing anything, then he would be open to accusation from the Angels, and from Creation.)

4. The 'commandment' (Word) of God given to man was necessary for Man to then apply free will, unite in faith with that command, and through doing so, also become a co-creator and thus heir to God.

Put these all together and the implications are staggering. Together, these presuppositions point directly to one thing:

5. God prepares contingency plans. Always. Because God knows that it's possible for any one human to fail in his or her responsibility. The reality of these contingency plans are manifest in scripture via .... prophecy.

Confusion around this point has mislead many, many faithful readers of scripture to misinterpret the meaning of prophecy. The truth is that God gives more than one prophecy for any event or outcome. To illustrate this, look at God's words to Cain in Gen 4:7 "If you do what is right, will you not be accepted? But if you do not do what is right, sin is crouching at your door; it desires to have you, but you must rule over it.”

In other words, do well, and you will be accepted by God. Do wrong, and .... sin will master you. Tragically, Cain chose wrong, using his free will, and murdered his brother, solidifying Satan's control over himself, instead of being freed to unite with his brother and receive God's blessing.

Many people mistakenly think that the different prophecies in the old testament scripture pertain to either Jesus or the Second Coming. What people need to understand is that in fact, the different prophecies (e.g. in Isaiah) pertain all to Jesus. What...? Yes. How can we be sure?

Jesus himself makes it 100% clear in Matt 11:13: "For all the prophets and the law prophesied until John." Until John. The prophets all prophesied for things to happen until John. They were not prophesying about anything after Jesus.

The different prophecies in Isaiah, for example, prophecy that when the Messiah comes, he will be a man of great glory, sitting on the throne of David. But he also prophecies that he will be a man of great suffering, rejected and persecuted.

The reason why these two types of prophecy exist is because of 5. above. What decides it? If the Israelites did well (believed in Jesus) he would be accepted, raised to the Throne of Israel, and the Kingdom would come both in spirit AND in flesh right there. Jesus would rule, Israel would become greater than Rome, and the kingdom would spread throughout the world.

But if the Israelites did not do well? If they failed to have faith in Jesus, to recognize him? Tragedy would ensue, Jesus path would be one of suffering and rejection.

I know this is a lot for some folks to wrap their head around, but it makes sense.

Corroborating evidence:

Luke 7:48 Then Jesus said to her, “Your sins are forgiven.” Jesus could forgive sins even BEFORE the cross.

Matt 11:20 Then Jesus began to denounce the cities in which most of His miracles had been performed, because they did not repent.

Note: He WANTED them to repent.

If you look at the scripture with the idea that Jesus did everything he could in order to turn Israel AWAY from faithlessness to a place of having faith in him, it becomes clear that THIS was God's will and Jesus will.

So then what happened with the Cross? Why did it become necessary?

God prepared Israel for 2000 years, starting from Abraham's family. He worked, labored to lead them and raise them as a righteous people, dedicated to Him and separated from Satan (all the other peoples of the world being under Satan's dominion). Every time they failed, loss faith, he worked a providence to bring them back, to reform them. The details of those 2000 years of work are recorded in the OT.

Thus, in God's entire providence to save the WHOLE World, he chose Abraham's family and descendants as the representatives of all humanity to have faith in Christ when he comes. When, however, the israelites as a whole rejected Jesus, then, like Cain, God and Jesus had no choice but to hand them over to Satan, losing all the 2000 years of work of separation and purification.

Like Cain, they failed. And in this way, the foundation for all of humankind to return to God was lost, claimed by Satan. And Satan closed in for the kill, thinking that if he could destroy Jesus body, the sacred body and presence of God on earth for the first time since Adam, then he would win.

Thus, Jesus, consulting with Moses and Elijah in the spirit, came up with the only plan reasonably possible: "We'll let Satan kill me. I'll pay the price for Israel's faithlessness. I pay the price for their rejecting me. And then, on that foundation, I will build a NEW israel, and expand the providence to continue forward. It means I'll have to complete it at a Second Coming, but it's the only way now, because they have fallen into complete faithlessness".

Of course, I'm illustrating the point by what I believe must have been the discussion and dialog between Jesus, Moses and Elijah (Mt. Transfiguration). Obviously, this is not scripture. But I believe it expresses the reality well.

Note that directly AFTER the Mt of Transfiguration, only THEN did Jesus begin to talk about his death, and about a second coming. Check it out. It's true.

What's my point here: we need to understand that for God to allow Jesus to give up his life - a life that was destined to be the most glorious, wonderful life accomplishing all of God's hopes for his original son Adam - was the most painful thing that God ever experienced. I believe that even the Fall of Adam and Eve, while shocking, was NOT as painful as GOd seeing his true son suffering not only physically, but being rejected in hatred by the people that he (Jesus) loved beyond anything.

Have you ever felt the pain of being utterly rejected by someone you love deeply and sincerely? Multiply that by infinity, for God's pain.

What about Jesus? He WANTED to remain on earth and accomplish a glorious life. Why? Because he KNEW that this was God's great desire. He knew that God would suffer deep pain if he had to go the way of the Cross. (He knew also that if he went that way, all his disciples and many Christians would have to go that way too.) That's the real reason Jesus prayed as he did in Gethsemane. Not out of fear, or weakness? No, out of the deepest desire to find any possible way to fulfill the original plan, fulfill God's desire for his Son to be dressed in Glory, and loved first by Israel, then all the world. Jesus NEVER prayed from weakness, although of course he suffered in the flesh like any man would, the suffering in his heart was much, much greater.

Luke 19:41 "And when he was come near, he beheld the city, and wept over it"

He wanted to remain, if possible, for God, for his followers, and for Israel itself. However, Jesus greatness is revealed when finally, he ALWAYS honored his Father. "Not my will, but thine."

Plan A: Israelites receive Jesus as prophesied, and he becomes the King of Glory, much much greater than Solomon and his kingdom established in the flesh then and there. Requirement: faith by Israel to receive the Messiah, then unity with the Messiah.

Plan B: Israel rejected Jesus, as prophesied as well, and he walks the path of suffering, ultimately paying the price for the rejection of Israel, and postponing the Kingdom on Earth until the Second Coming.

Contingency plans. God makes contingency plans based on whether or not the chosen one(s) fulfill their work in free will and faith.

I say all this merely to further illustrate the principle that God's strategy is to take the hit, and use that to reclaim lost ground (and any ground Satan has is lost ground, because it ALL originally belonged to God).

Is it any wonder that we resonate with the saying from DJT: "I take all of these slings and arrows for you"? No, because he is reflecting Christ, following Christ, and also enduring the hit for the sake of the nation of the USA.

Cheers.

Makes sense, right?

But it goes deeper.

Consider a few presumptions and then tie them all together (just like Q wants us to tie together all the crumbs, drops, and phrases that point to the greater map):

1. God gives free will to humans as his children. This is required because true love can only happen when true free will is involved. God wants his children to love him of their own free choice. Also, God, as creator, has free will, thus his children must also have free will. Without that, we would be servants or slaves, not children.

2. God's plans are always for the greatest good and the benefit of his children. But he also is confronted with the reality that his children might fail and use free will in a way that damages his plan. This leads to 3.

3. God's plans involve a) God's portion of work and b) man's portion of work. Only when the two combine correctly does God's plan and ideal become manifest. Only then. (There are reasons why this must be so; for man to inherit dominion over all creation, we must qualify. How? By fulfilling our own portion of the work. Thus, when man also contributes via free will, then he can inherit the position of his Father, become the Owner of the creation, under his Father's sovereignty. If God gave that ownership without Man (Adam) doing anything, then he would be open to accusation from the Angels, and from Creation.)

4. The 'commandment' (Word) of God given to man was necessary for Man to then apply free will, unite in faith with that command, and through doing so, also become a co-creator and thus heir to God.

Put these all together and the implications are staggering. Together, these presuppositions point directly to one thing:

5. God prepares contingency plans. Always. Because God knows that it's possible for any one human to fail in his or her responsibility. The reality of these contingency plans are manifest in scripture via .... prophecy.

Confusion around this point has mislead many, many faithful readers of scripture to misinterpret the meaning of prophecy. The truth is that God gives more than one prophecy for any event or outcome. To illustrate this, look at God's words to Cain in Gen 4:7 "If you do what is right, will you not be accepted? But if you do not do what is right, sin is crouching at your door; it desires to have you, but you must rule over it.”

In other words, do well, and you will be accepted by God. Do wrong, and .... sin will master you. Tragically, Cain chose wrong, using his free will, and murdered his brother, solidifying Satan's control over himself, instead of being freed to unite with his brother and receive God's blessing.

Many people mistakenly think that the different prophecies in the old testament scripture pertain to either Jesus or the Second Coming. What people need to understand is that in fact, the different prophecies (e.g. in Isaiah) pertain all to Jesus. What...? Yes. How can we be sure?

Jesus himself makes it 100% clear in Matt 11:13: "For all the prophets and the law prophesied until John." Until John. The prophets all prophesied for things to happen until John. They were not prophesying about anything after Jesus.

The different prophecies in Isaiah, for example, prophecy that when the Messiah comes, he will be a man of great glory, sitting on the throne of David. But he also prophecies that he will be a man of great suffering, rejected and persecuted.

The reason why these two types of prophecy exist is because of 5. above. What decides it? If the Israelites did well (believed in Jesus) he would be accepted, raised to the Throne of Israel, and the Kingdom would come both in spirit AND in flesh right there. Jesus would rule, Israel would become greater than Rome, and the kingdom would spread throughout the world.

But if the Israelites did not do well? If they failed to have faith in Jesus, to recognize him? Tragedy would ensue, Jesus path would be one of suffering and rejection.

I know this is a lot for some folks to wrap their head around, but it makes sense.

Corroborating evidence:

Luke 7:48 Then Jesus said to her, “Your sins are forgiven.” Jesus could forgive sins even BEFORE the cross.

Matt 11:20 Then Jesus began to denounce the cities in which most of His miracles had been performed, because they did not repent.

Note: He WANTED them to repent.

If you look at the scripture with the idea that Jesus did everything he could in order to turn Israel AWAY from faithlessness to a place of having faith in him, it becomes clear that THIS was God's will and Jesus will.

So then what happened with the Cross? Why did it become necessary?

God prepared Israel for 2000 years, starting from Abraham's family. He worked, labored to lead them and raise them as a righteous people, dedicated to Him and separated from Satan (all the other peoples of the world being under Satan's dominion). Every time they failed, loss faith, he worked a providence to bring them back, to reform them. The details of those 2000 years of work are recorded in the OT.

Thus, in God's entire providence to save the WHOLE World, he chose Abraham's family and descendants as the representatives of all humanity to have faith in Christ when he comes. When, however, the israelites as a whole rejected Jesus, then, like Cain, God and Jesus had no choice but to hand them over to Satan, losing all the 2000 years of work of separation and purification.

Like Cain, they failed. And in this way, the foundation for all of humankind to return to God was lost, claimed by Satan. And Satan closed in for the kill, thinking that if he could destroy Jesus body, the sacred body and presence of God on earth for the first time since Adam, then he would win.

Thus, Jesus, consulting with Moses and Elijah in the spirit, came up with the only plan reasonably possible: "We'll let Satan kill me. I'll pay the price for Israel's faithlessness. I pay the price for their rejecting me. And then, on that foundation, I will build a NEW israel, and expand the providence to continue forward. It means I'll have to complete it at a Second Coming, but it's the only way now, because they have fallen into complete faithlessness".

Of course, I'm illustrating the point by what I believe must have been the discussion and dialog between Jesus, Moses and Elijah (Mt. Transfiguration). Obviously, this is not scripture. But I believe it expresses the reality well.

Note that directly AFTER the Mt of Transfiguration, only THEN did Jesus begin to talk about his death, and about a second coming. Check it out. It's true.

What's my point here: we need to understand that for God to allow Jesus to give up his life - a life that was destined to be the most glorious, wonderful life accomplishing all of God's hopes for his original son Adam - was the most painful thing that God ever experienced. I believe that even the Fall of Adam and Eve, while shocking, was NOT as painful as GOd seeing his true son suffering not only physically, but being rejected in hatred by the people that he (Jesus) loved beyond anything.

Have you ever felt the pain of being utterly rejected by someone you love deeply and sincerely? Multiply that by infinity, for God's pain.

What about Jesus? He WANTED to remain on earth and accomplish a glorious life. Why? Because he KNEW that this was God's great desire. He knew that God would suffer deep pain if he had to go the way of the Cross. (He knew also that if he went that way, all his disciples and many Christians would have to go that way too.) That's the real reason Jesus prayed as he did in Gethsemane. Not out of fear, or weakness? No, out of the deepest desire to find any possible way to fulfill the original plan, fulfill God's desire for his Son to be dressed in Glory, and loved first by Israel, then all the world. Jesus NEVER prayed from weakness, although of course he suffered in the flesh like any man would, the suffering in his heart was much, much greater. He wanted this for God. However, Jesus greatness is revealed when finally, he ALWAYS honored his Father. "Not my will, but thine."

Luke 19:41 "And when he was come near, he beheld the city, and wept over it"

Plan A: Israelites receive Jesus as prophesied, and he becomes the King of Glory, much much greater than Solomon and his kingdom established in the flesh then and there. Requirement: faith by Israel to receive the Messiah, then unity with the Messiah.

Plan B: Israel rejected Jesus, as prophesied as well, and he walks the path of suffering, ultimately paying the price for the rejection of Israel, and postponing the Kingdom on Earth until the Second Coming.

Contingency plans. God makes contingency plans based on whether or not the chosen one(s) fulfill their work in free will and faith.

I say all this merely to further illustrate the principle that God's strategy is to take the hit, and use that to reclaim lost ground (and any ground Satan has is lost ground, because it ALL originally belonged to God).

Is it any wonder that we resonate with the saying from DJT: "I take all of these slings and arrows for you"? No, because he is reflecting Christ, following Christ, and also enduring the hit for the sake of the nation of the USA.

Cheers.

Makes sense, right?

But it goes deeper.

Consider a few presumptions and then tie them all together (just like Q wants us to tie together all the crumbs, drops, and phrases that point to the greater map):

1. God gives free will to humans as his children. This is required because true love can only happen when true free will is involved. God wants his children to love him of their own free choice. Also, God, as creator, has free will, thus his children must also have free will. Without that, we would be servants or slaves, not children.

2. God's plans are always for the greatest good and the benefit of his children. But he also is confronted with the reality that his children might fail and use free will in a way that damages his plan. This leads to 3.

3. God's plans involve a) God's portion of work and b) man's portion of work. Only when the two combine correctly does God's plan and ideal become manifest. Only then. (There are reasons why this must be so; for man to inherit dominion over all creation, we must qualify. How? By fulfilling our own portion of the work. Thus, when man also contributes via free will, then he can inherit the position of his Father, become the Owner of the creation, under his Father's sovereignty. If God gave that ownership without Man (Adam) doing anything, then he would be open to accusation from the Angels, and from Creation.)

4. The 'commandment' (Word) of God given to man was necessary for Man to then apply free will, unite in faith with that command, and through doing so, also become a co-creator and thus heir to God.

Put these all together and the implications are staggering. Together, these presuppositions point directly to one thing:

5. God prepares contingency plans. Always. Because God knows that it's possible for any one human to fail in his or her responsibility. The reality of these contingency plans are manifest in scripture via .... prophecy.

Confusion around this point has mislead many, many faithful readers of scripture to misinterpret the meaning of prophecy. The truth is that God gives more than one prophecy for any event or outcome. To illustrate this, look at God's words to Cain in Gen 4:7 "If you do what is right, will you not be accepted? But if you do not do what is right, sin is crouching at your door; it desires to have you, but you must rule over it.”

In other words, do well, and you will be accepted by God. Do wrong, and .... sin will master you. Tragically, Cain chose wrong, using his free will, and murdered his brother, solidifying Satan's control over himself, instead of being freed to unite with his brother and receive God's blessing.

Many people mistakenly think that the different prophecies in the old testament scripture pertain to either Jesus or the Second Coming. What people need to understand is that in fact, the different prophecies (e.g. in Isaiah) pertain all to Jesus. What...? Yes. How can we be sure?

Jesus himself makes it 100% clear in Matt 11:13: "For all the prophets and the law prophesied until John." Until John. The prophets all prophesied for things to happen until John. They were not prophesying about anything after Jesus.

The different prophecies in Isaiah, for example, prophecy that when the Messiah comes, he will be a man of great glory, sitting on the throne of David. But he also prophecies that he will be a man of great suffering, rejected and persecuted.

The reason why these two types of prophecy exist is because of 5. above. What decides it? If the Israelites did well (believed in Jesus) he would be accepted, raised to the Throne of Israel, and the Kingdom would come both in spirit AND in flesh right there. Jesus would rule, Israel would become greater than Rome, and the kingdom would spread throughout the world.

But if the Israelites did not do well? If they failed to have faith in Jesus, to recognize him? Tragedy would ensue, Jesus path would be one of suffering and rejection.

I know this is a lot for some folks to wrap their head around, but it makes sense.

Corroborating evidence:

Luke 7:48 Then Jesus said to her, “Your sins are forgiven.” Jesus could forgive sins even BEFORE the cross.

Matt 11:20 Then Jesus began to denounce the cities in which most of His miracles had been performed, because they did not repent.

Note: He WANTED them to repent.

If you look at the scripture with the idea that Jesus did everything he could in order to turn Israel AWAY from faithlessness to a place of having faith in him, it becomes clear that THIS was God's will and Jesus will.

So then what happened with the Cross? Why did it become necessary?

God prepared Israel for 2000 years, starting from Abraham's family. He worked, labored to lead them and raise them as a righteous people, dedicated to Him and separated from Satan (all the other peoples of the world being under Satan's dominion). Every time they failed, loss faith, he worked a providence to bring them back, to reform them. The details of those 2000 years of work are recorded in the OT.

Thus, in God's entire providence to save the WHOLE World, he chose Abraham's family and descendants as the representatives of all humanity to have faith in Christ when he comes. When, however, the israelites as a whole rejected Jesus, then, like Cain, God and Jesus had no choice but to hand them over to Satan, losing all the 2000 years of work of separation and purification.

Like Cain, they failed. And in this way, the foundation for all of humankind to return to God was lost, claimed by Satan. And Satan closed in for the kill, thinking that if he could destroy Jesus body, the sacred body and presence of God on earth for the first time since Adam, then he would win.

Thus, Jesus, consulting with Moses and Elijah in the spirit, came up with the only plan reasonably possible: "We'll let Satan kill me. I'll pay the price for Israel's faithlessness. I pay the price for their rejecting me. And then, on that foundation, I will build a NEW israel, and expand the providence to continue forward. It means I'll have to complete it at a Second Coming, but it's the only way now, because they have fallen into complete faithlessness".

Of course, I'm illustrating the point by what I believe must have been the discussion and dialog between Jesus, Moses and Elijah (Mt. Transfiguration). Obviously, this is not scripture. But I believe it expresses the reality well.

Note that directly AFTER the Mt of Transfiguration, only THEN did Jesus begin to talk about his death, and about a second coming. Check it out. It's true.

What's my point here: we need to understand that for God to allow Jesus to give up his life - a life that was destined to be the most glorious, wonderful life accomplishing all of God's hopes for his original son Adam - was the most painful thing that God ever experienced. I believe that even the Fall of Adam and Eve, while shocking, was NOT as painful as GOd seeing his true son suffering not only physically, but being rejected in hatred by the people that he (Jesus) loved beyond anything.

Have you ever felt the pain of being utterly rejected by someone you love deeply and sincerely? Multiply that by infinity, for God's pain.

What about Jesus? He WANTED to remain on earth and accomplish a glorious life. Why? Because he KNEW that this was God's great desire. He knew that God would suffer deep pain if he had to go the way of the Cross. (He knew also that if he went that way, all his disciples and many Christians would have to go that way too.) That's the real reason Jesus prayed as he did in Gethsemane. Not out of fear, or weakness? No, out of the deepest desire to find any possible way to fulfill the original plan, fulfill God's desire for his Son to be dressed in Glory, and loved first by Israel, then all the world. Jesus NEVER prayed from weakness, although of course he suffered in the flesh like any man would, the suffering in his heart was much, much greater.

Luke 19:41 "And when he was come near, he beheld the city, and wept over it"

Plan A: Israelites receive Jesus as prophesied, and he becomes the King of Glory, much much greater than Solomon and his kingdom established in the flesh then and there. Requirement: faith by Israel to receive the Messiah, then unity with the Messiah.

Plan B: Israel rejected Jesus, as prophesied as well, and he walks the path of suffering, ultimately paying the price for the rejection of Israel, and postponing the Kingdom on Earth until the Second Coming.

Contingency plans. God makes contingency plans based on whether or not the chosen one(s) fulfill their work in free will and faith.

I say all this merely to further illustrate the principle that God's strategy is to take the hit, and use that to reclaim lost ground (and any ground Satan has is lost ground, because it ALL originally belonged to God).

Is it any wonder that we resonate with the saying from DJT: "I take all of these slings and arrows for you"? No, because he is reflecting Christ, following Christ, and also enduring the hit for the sake of the nation of the USA.

Cheers.

Makes sense, right?

But it goes deeper.

Consider a few presumptions and then tie them all together (just like Q wants us to tie together all the crumbs, drops, and phrases that point to the greater map):

1. God gives free will to humans as his children. This is required because true love can only happen when true free will is involved. God wants his children to love him of their own free choice. Also, God, as creator, has free will, thus his children must also have free will. Without that, we would be servants or slaves, not children.

2. God's plans are always for the greatest good and the benefit of his children. But he also is confronted with the reality that his children might fail and use free will in a way that damages his plan. This leads to 3.

3. God's plans involve a) God's portion of work and b) man's portion of work. Only when the two combine correctly does God's plan and ideal become manifest. Only then. (There are reasons why this must be so; for man to inherit dominion over all creation, we must qualify. How? By fulfilling our own portion of the work. Thus, when man also contributes via free will, then he can inherit the position of his Father, become the Owner of the creation, under his Father's sovereignty. If God gave that ownership without Man (Adam) doing anything, then he would be open to accusation from the Angels, and from Creation.)

4. The 'commandment' (Word) of God given to man was necessary for Man to then apply free will, unite in faith with that command, and through doing so, also become a co-creator and thus heir to God.

Put these all together and the implications are staggering. Together, these presuppositions point directly to one thing:

5. God prepares contingency plans. Always. Because God knows that it's possible for any one human to fail in his or her responsibility. The reality of these contingency plans are manifest in scripture via .... prophecy.

Confusion around this point has mislead many, many faithful readers of scripture to misinterpret the meaning of prophecy. The truth is that God gives more than one prophecy for any event or outcome. To illustrate this, look at God's words to Cain in Gen 4:7 "If you do what is right, will you not be accepted? But if you do not do what is right, sin is crouching at your door; it desires to have you, but you must rule over it.”

In other words, do well, and you will be accepted by God. Do wrong, and .... sin will master you. Tragically, Cain chose wrong, using his free will, and murdered his brother, solidifying Satan's control over himself, instead of being freed to unite with his brother and receive God's blessing.

Many people mistakenly think that the different prophecies in the old testament scripture pertain to either Jesus or the Second Coming. What people need to understand is that in fact, the different prophecies (e.g. in Isaiah) pertain all to Jesus. What...? Yes. How can we be sure?

Jesus himself makes it 100% clear in Matt 11:13: "For all the prophets and the law prophesied until John." Until John. The prophets all prophesied for things to happen until John. They were not prophesying about anything after Jesus.

The different prophecies in Isaiah, for example, prophecy that when the Messiah comes, he will be a man of great glory, sitting on the throne of David. But he also prophecies that he will be a man of great suffering, rejected and persecuted.

The reason why these two types of prophecy exist is because of 5. above. What decides it? If the Israelites did well (believed in Jesus) he would be accepted, raised to the Throne of Israel, and the Kingdom would come both in spirit AND in flesh right there. Jesus would rule, Israel would become greater than Rome, and the kingdom would spread throughout the world.

But if the Israelites did not do well? If they failed to have faith in Jesus, to recognize him? Tragedy would ensue, Jesus path would be one of suffering and rejection.

I know this is a lot for some folks to wrap their head around, but it makes sense.

Corroborating evidence:

Luke 7:48 Then Jesus said to her, “Your sins are forgiven.” Jesus could forgive sins even BEFORE the cross.

Matt 11:20 Then Jesus began to denounce the cities in which most of His miracles had been performed, because they did not repent.

Note: He WANTED them to repent.

If you look at the scripture with the idea that Jesus did everything he could in order to turn Israel AWAY from faithlessness to a place of having faith in him, it becomes clear that THIS was God's will and Jesus will.

So then what happened with the Cross? Why did it become necessary?

God prepared Israel for 2000 years, starting from Abraham's family. He worked, labored to lead them and raise them as a righteous people, dedicated to Him and separated from Satan (all the other peoples of the world being under Satan's dominion). Every time they failed, loss faith, he worked a providence to bring them back, to reform them. The details of those 2000 years of work are recorded in the OT.

Thus, in God's entire providence to save the WHOLE World, he chose Abraham's family and descendants as the representatives of all humanity to have faith in Christ when he comes. When, however, the israelites as a whole rejected Jesus, then, like Cain, God and Jesus had no choice but to hand them over to Satan, losing all the 2000 years of work of separation and purification.

Like Cain, they failed. And in this way, the foundation for all of humankind to return to God was lost, claimed by Satan. And Satan closed in for the kill, thinking that if he could destroy Jesus body, the sacred body and presence of God on earth for the first time since Adam, then he would win.

Thus, Jesus, consulting with Moses and Elijah in the spirit, came up with the only plan reasonably possible: "We'll let Satan kill me. I'll pay the price for Israel's faithlessness. I pay the price for their rejecting me. And then, on that foundation, I will build a NEW israel, and expand the providence to continue forward. It means I'll have to complete it at a Second Coming, but it's the only way now, because they have fallen into complete faithlessness".

Of course, I'm illustrating the point by what I believe must have been the discussion and dialog between Jesus, Moses and Elijah (Mt. Transfiguration). Obviously, this is not scripture. But I believe it expresses the reality well.

Note that directly AFTER the Mt of Transfiguration, only THEN did Jesus begin to talk about his death, and about a second coming. Check it out. It's true.

What's my point here: we need to understand that for God to allow Jesus to give up his life - a life that was destined to be the most glorious, wonderful life accomplishing all of God's hopes for his original son Adam - was the most painful thing that God ever experienced. I believe that even the Fall of Adam and Eve, while shocking, was NOT as painful as GOd seeing his true son suffering not only physically, but being rejected in hatred by the people that he (Jesus) loved beyond anything.

Have you ever felt the pain of being utterly rejected by someone you love deeply and sincerely? Multiply that by infinity, for God's pain.

What about Jesus? He WANTED to remain on earth and accomplish a glorious life. Why? Because he KNEW that this was God's great desire. He knew that God would suffer deep pain if he had to go the way of the Cross. That's the real reason Jesus prayed as he did in Gethsemane. Not out of fear, or weakness? No, out of the deepest desire to find any possible way to fulfill the original plan, fulfill God's desire for his Son to be dressed in Glory, and loved first by Israel, then all the world. Jesus NEVER prayed from weakness, although of course he suffered in the flesh like any man would, the suffering in his heart was much, much greater.

Luke 19:41 "And when he was come near, he beheld the city, and wept over it"

Plan A: Israelites receive Jesus as prophesied, and he becomes the King of Glory, much much greater than Solomon and his kingdom established in the flesh then and there. Requirement: faith by Israel to receive the Messiah, then unity with the Messiah.

Plan B: Israel rejected Jesus, as prophesied as well, and he walks the path of suffering, ultimately paying the price for the rejection of Israel, and postponing the Kingdom on Earth until the Second Coming.

Contingency plans. God makes contingency plans based on whether or not the chosen one(s) fulfill their work in free will and faith.

I say all this merely to further illustrate the principle that God's strategy is to take the hit, and use that to reclaim lost ground (and any ground Satan has is lost ground, because it ALL originally belonged to God).

Is it any wonder that we resonate with the saying from DJT: "I take all of these slings and arrows for you"? No, because he is reflecting Christ, following Christ, and also enduring the hit for the sake of the nation of the USA.

Cheers.

Makes sense, right?

But it goes deeper.

Consider a few presumptions and then tie them all together (just like Q wants us to tie together all the crumbs, drops, and phrases that point to the greater map):

1. God gives free will to humans as his children. This is required because true love can only happen when true free will is involved. God wants his children to love him of their own free choice. Also, God, as creator, has free will, thus his children must also have free will. Without that, we would be servants or slaves, not children.

2. God's plans are always for the greatest good and the benefit of his children. But he also is confronted with the reality that his children might fail and use free will in a way that damages his plan. This leads to 3.

3. God's plans involve a) God's portion of work and b) man's portion of work. Only when the two combine correctly does God's plan and ideal become manifest. Only then. (There are reasons why this must be so; for man to inherit dominion over all creation, we must qualify. How? By fulfilling our own portion of the work. Thus, when man also contributes via free will, then he can inherit the position of his Father, become the Owner of the creation, under his Father's sovereignty. If God gave that ownership without Man (Adam) doing anything, then he would be open to accusation from the Angels, and from Creation.

4. The 'commandment' (Word) of God given to man was necessary for Man to then apply free will, unite in faith with that command, and through doing so, also become a co-creator and thus heir to God.

Put these all together and the implications are staggering. Together, these presuppositions point directly to one thing:

5. God prepares contingency plans. Always. Because God knows that it's possible for any one human to fail in his or her responsibility. The reality of these contingency plans are manifest in scripture via .... prophecy.

Confusion around this point has mislead many, many faithful readers of scripture to misinterpret the meaning of prophecy. The truth is that God gives more than one prophecy for any event or outcome. To illustrate this, look at God's words to Cain in Gen 4:7 "If you do what is right, will you not be accepted? But if you do not do what is right, sin is crouching at your door; it desires to have you, but you must rule over it.”

In other words, do well, and you will be accepted by God. Do wrong, and .... sin will master you. Tragically, Cain chose wrong, using his free will, and murdered his brother, solidifying Satan's control over himself, instead of being freed to unite with his brother and receive God's blessing.

Many people mistakenly think that the different prophecies in the old testament scripture pertain to either Jesus or the Second Coming. What people need to understand is that in fact, the different prophecies (e.g. in Isaiah) pertain all to Jesus. What...? Yes. How can we be sure?

Jesus himself makes it 100% clear in Matt 11:13: "For all the prophets and the law prophesied until John." Until John. The prophets all prophesied for things to happen until John. They were not prophesying about anything after Jesus.

The different prophecies in Isaiah, for example, prophecy that when the Messiah comes, he will be a man of great glory, sitting on the throne of David. But he also prophecies that he will be a man of great suffering, rejected and persecuted.

The reason why these two types of prophecy exist is because of 5. above. What decides it? If the Israelites did well (believed in Jesus) he would be accepted, raised to the Throne of Israel, and the Kingdom would come both in spirit AND in flesh right there. Jesus would rule, Israel would become greater than Rome, and the kingdom would spread throughout the world.

But if the Israelites did not do well? If they failed to have faith in Jesus, to recognize him? Tragedy would ensue, Jesus path would be one of suffering and rejection.

I know this is a lot for some folks to wrap their head around, but it makes sense.

Corroborating evidence:

Luke 7:48 Then Jesus said to her, “Your sins are forgiven.” Jesus could forgive sins even BEFORE the cross.

Matt 11:20 Then Jesus began to denounce the cities in which most of His miracles had been performed, because they did not repent.

Note: He WANTED them to repent.

If you look at the scripture with the idea that Jesus did everything he could in order to turn Israel AWAY from faithlessness to a place of having faith in him, it becomes clear that THIS was God's will and Jesus will.

So then what happened with the Cross? Why did it become necessary?

God prepared Israel for 2000 years, starting from Abraham's family. He worked, labored to lead them and raise them as a righteous people, dedicated to Him and separated from Satan (all the other peoples of the world being under Satan's dominion). Every time they failed, loss faith, he worked a providence to bring them back, to reform them. The details of those 2000 years of work are recorded in the OT.

Thus, in God's entire providence to save the WHOLE World, he chose Abraham's family and descendants as the representatives of all humanity to have faith in Christ when he comes. When, however, the israelites as a whole rejected Jesus, then, like Cain, God and Jesus had no choice but to hand them over to Satan, losing all the 2000 years of work of separation and purification.

Like Cain, they failed. And in this way, the foundation for all of humankind to return to God was lost, claimed by Satan. And Satan closed in for the kill, thinking that if he could destroy Jesus body, the sacred body and presence of God on earth for the first time since Adam, then he would win.

Thus, Jesus, consulting with Moses and Elijah in the spirit, came up with the only plan reasonably possible: "We'll let Satan kill me. I'll pay the price for Israel's faithlessness. I pay the price for their rejecting me. And then, on that foundation, I will build a NEW israel, and expand the providence to continue forward. It means I'll have to complete it at a Second Coming, but it's the only way now, because they have fallen into complete faithlessness".

Of course, I'm illustrating the point by what I believe must have been the discussion and dialog between Jesus, Moses and Elijah (Mt. Transfiguration). Obviously, this is not scripture. But I believe it expresses the reality well.

Note that directly AFTER the Mt of Transfiguration, only THEN did Jesus begin to talk about his death, and about a second coming. Check it out. It's true.

What's my point here: we need to understand that for God to allow Jesus to give up his life - a life that was destined to be the most glorious, wonderful life accomplishing all of God's hopes for his original son Adam - was the most painful thing that God ever experienced. I believe that even the Fall of Adam and Eve, while shocking, was NOT as painful as GOd seeing his true son suffering not only physically, but being rejected in hatred by the people that he (Jesus) loved beyond anything.

Have you ever felt the pain of being utterly rejected by someone you love deeply and sincerely? Multiply that by infinity, for God's pain.

What about Jesus? He WANTED to remain on earth and accomplish a glorious life. Why? Because he KNEW that this was God's great desire. He knew that God would suffer deep pain if he had to go the way of the Cross. That's the real reason Jesus prayed as he did in Gethsemane. Not out of fear, or weakness? No, out of the deepest desire to find any possible way to fulfill the original plan, fulfill God's desire for his Son to be dressed in Glory, and loved first by Israel, then all the world. Jesus NEVER prayed from weakness, although of course he suffered in the flesh like any man would, the suffering in his heart was much, much greater.

Luke 19:41 "And when he was come near, he beheld the city, and wept over it"

Plan A: Israelites receive Jesus as prophesied, and he becomes the King of Glory, much much greater than Solomon and his kingdom established in the flesh then and there. Requirement: faith by Israel to receive the Messiah, then unity with the Messiah.

Plan B: Israel rejected Jesus, as prophesied as well, and he walks the path of suffering, ultimately paying the price for the rejection of Israel, and postponing the Kingdom on Earth until the Second Coming.

Contingency plans. God makes contingency plans based on whether or not the chosen one(s) fulfill their work in free will and faith.

I say all this merely to further illustrate the principle that God's strategy is to take the hit, and use that to reclaim lost ground (and any ground Satan has is lost ground, because it ALL originally belonged to God).

Is it any wonder that we resonate with the saying from DJT: "I take all of these slings and arrows for you"? No, because he is reflecting Christ, following Christ, and also enduring the hit for the sake of the nation of the USA.

Cheers.