how far down the line are we all willing to push these goal posts? it seems like whenever a "plan" doesnt happen the way we thought it would, we find ANY excuse to change what the plan actually was. i know we're all desperate for hope. but i dont know if false hope is better than no hope.
The goal post was ALWAYS to get to the highest level of treasonous players (in this case the VP, leaders of the Congressional Houses and Congress itself). Everything else (state and local election fraud, unconstitutional lock-downs, etc.) were moving the chains for a first down. All of this adds up to getting ALL of the traitors exposed.
At least we know the current POTUS is not compromised.
But how do you succeed when literally everyone else is? The media will howl, the elected representatives will howl. Nothing meaningful will get done? i'm not sure.
Pence - to me - was GIVEN A WIN AGAINST KAMALA. Go re-watch that debate. Hoeslut got right back in her knees. She let him have his way with her. Tell me that wasn’t obvious now.
All of this adds up to getting ALL of the traitors exposed.
I agree that the traitors at the highest levels have to go. But where do the goalposts stop? I keep seeing people saying that Trump has to let Biden be sworn in before anything can happen, and that sounds like bullshit to me. That's like saying I have to not only let someone shoot me, they have to completely murder me before they can be taken down for attempted murder. Once he's out of the WH, then any power he has is gone and these pricks will go after him and his family and take them all out.
Which is certainly what happened last night. Names we didn't know were corrupt or at least didn't know for SURE were corrupt?
Grassley, Graham, Blackburn, Pence, etc...and then there are the names we knew had gone bad but they handed us proof, like Loeffler and McConnell.
There won't be much left of the House and the Senate from the looks of things. Hard to believe they used rioters as an excuse to overlook massive and unprecedented voter fraud. The one had nothing to do with the other.
I seriously believe that not only will the Fed Reserve corporation be dissolved, but the Federal Government corporation will also. The legal and governing system set up under it is fully corrupt.
Having them vote to certify electors that the states have presented to them will in no way get them charged or convicted. There is only a crime if their is evidence that they were involved. That evidence, if it exist, would have ended this whole charade two months ago. Oh look, we have video and audio and computer forensic evidence..... let’s show the world and maje arrest.... nah... let’s just keep it hidden so we can get them to take office and then we can let them pack the court and take our guns.......16 years later...... boy they are really building up a case against these criminals...gonna be the biggest RICO ever.....
Actually, seven states submitted dueling electors. It is NOT up to Congress to decide the outcome for those states. Article II makes it clear that states will only submit ONE list to Congress. Seven states submitted TWO. Therefore, last night Congress took an authority it is NOT granted by Article II of the Constitution. Each state, per the Constitution, is allowed ONE certificate.
The correct Constitutional procedure is for Congress to have turned it back to the states to resolve this matter given SOLELY to the states. Not to mention, they had Arizona, Wisconsin, Pennsylvania and Georgia ask for time to investigate and decertify if necessary. This was submitted to Congress in official signed format and Congress completely ignored over 100 state representatives claiming there was fraud and they needed more time (thereby eliminating ANY claim to plausible deniability). Furthermore, in the case of Wisconsin, they notified Congress they would be changing their elector vote for Trump yet it went to Biden last night.
Congress usurped the states powers the way it was handled as the Constitution does not give them the power they assumed last night. As the Constitution is the Supreme Law of the land, it is a felony to act unconstitutionally (and Congress is not protected in the event of treason or a felony).
They don't have to pack the court, the people in there now will do as they're told on any major issue. Also, there won't be any "years later", this is it. If this stands, that's ballgame. I still believe though. Feel free to call me delusional if/when Biden becomes president.
I agree but the reasoning why it has to go all the way to Jan 20th is lost on me. What more do we need. If we have evidence of the crime, evidence of the steal, why in the world would we have to wait until they actually take the oath of office? They e already taken oaths and broken them.
Q has said many times a few things and now many of them are coming into focus.
Q constantly referenced the C_A. Most took that to mean the CIA and Q saying the intelligence was removed.
Q has also posted the preamble of the Declaration of Independence about tearing down and reforming a government when it no longer serves, and in fact abuses, the people. Taking away our elections is the utmost of abuse.
Q also referenced Jefferson in saying only a complete dismantling of the government will clear corruption - there is no other way.
Consider there are two main structures to our government - civilian and military. I think that Congress is about to invoke the 25th Amendment (illegally of course because it was never about if Congress FELT the President can serve, it was meant to cover things like if the President gets severely ill of has a stroke, or similar circumstances). If Congress does that, you are going to see our government split into two - those of the Civilian, and treasonous side, and those on the Patriotic, or military side.
If that happens, all the laws and protections that Congress has ensured themselves are out the window as it will be our own government at war with itself. Q said the only way is military - similar to how Julius Caesar corrected the Roman Republic when the Senate had become too corrupt.
I believe when Q said MIL vs C_A he was never referring to the CIA, but instead C_A was code for CIVILIAN AGENCIES. You know, the exact agencies that have become so corrupt they actually use their power to abuse the American people and cover up politicians committing treason.
Q said this was about restoring Old Glory - the original and full Constitution of the US. The one that includes the First Continental Congressional Clauses. The one that defines using one's political position to steal from the treasury and act of piracy and treason with one offense being banishment from the US and two or more being death.
Q said, "the end won't be for everyone," and I believe he was referencing the reformation of the US the way the Founding Fathers intended.
Q also referenced the movie "Law-Abiding Citizen" when noting it was going to be biblical. That happens to be the part in the movie where they are talking about the entire system being corrupt and Gerard Butler mentions he is going to bring it ALL down.
Whatever happens, I believe the next two weeks are going to be historical and something we are not going to believe we lived through in our lifetimes.
Keep faith. Stay strong. Trust in God and the Plan. It has been DECADES in the making. Trump is just one part of this plan and Flynn and Pompeo are fully confident when this is over Trump will still be President.
Interesting line from Q. I never considered that Trump (POTUS) may not get a second term, but...what if he doesn't get a second term? Q says clearly: "How do you 'safeguard' US elections post-POTUS?"
Why the single quotation marks around the word "safeguard"? Why say "post-POTUS"? US elections WON'T be safeguarded? There will be NO voter ID card? Trump WON'T be sworn in for a second term?
Q says clearly: "How do you 'safeguard' US elections post-POTUS?"
I think what that meant is that if they merely counteracted or stopped the fraud from being committed in this election (like what allegedly happened in 2016, with white hats DDOSing the Dominion servers) without exposing it, they wouldn't bring the whole fraudulent system down, and we'd have the same fraud problem four years from now. He's saying they want to end election fraud once and for all.
That is how I interpreted this post when it was posted. I didn’t like the tone. Also, remember Q post 749, THE END WONT BE FIR EVERYONE
749
12-Feb-2018 10:50:26 AM CST
8ch/qresearch
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Coincidence the Matrix (movie) grew people as a crop, used for energy, and controlled their mind?
Sound familiar?
Wonder where they derived that idea from.
Now comes the 'conspiracy' label.
Deeper we go, the more unrealistic it all becomes.
The end won't be for everyone.
That choice, to know, will be yours.
Q
As in the movie the matrix, I forget the crew member that betrayed them but he wanted to go back into the matrix, knowing it was phoney, because he didn't like the real world.
Like him, there are many citizens that are not going to be able to handle the new world - and thinking for themselves - because the matrix has such a strong hold on them.
I keep remembering what @Johnheretohelp said back in June. He got the part right about them knowing the only way they could win was to steal it,from the 'chatter' he was hearing amongst his contacts and that is what they did. The 2nd Part is to go ahead with a Fake Inauguration, alternate White House and run the Presidency via Congress. The Military can only obey the CURRENT President (so long as he doesn't actually concede) via PROMETHEUS Protocol. Gonna be a real shitshow in that case.
There is a Kim Clement obscure prophecy where there is a point of being TWO Presidents and the people all say 'what shall we do?'. Trey Smith mentions it in one of his recent vids.
I really hope it doesn't come to that. I'm trying to keep faith but it's hard. TWO TERMS all the prophets said that - but they didn't say consecutively or that there wouldn't be a double Presidency in one of them.
This is the only reference I can find to Kims prophecy about '2 Presidents'. I first saw it mentioned on one of Trey Smiths recent videos, just did a quick search to see what turns up. Check out this page:
It's important to note that there appears to be no video footage of all this, just a find from the writings he left. So whether it is truly one of these or the family is 'finding' new prophecies which they might think will come true I don't know. I would think the latter is unlikely because there is nothing to suggest the family would do such a thing, and the very real possibility that if it doesn't come true than her Dads legacy will be destroyed. (Although if Trump doesn't get a 2nd term then I think the legacy is likely to be destroyed anyway)
But it's a spooky coincidence with what @Johnheretohelp reported in July. For those who don't know he is Ryan Dark Light and he is feeding info to Lin Wood. (He recently pointed out that Lins middle name is Lucius which means Light. Dark to Light featuring here...both of those guys seem aware of Q.)
speculation is the only thing moving goalposts....nobody, well us anyway, dont know what the plan actually is, what the timeline is or how its execuated its everyones date timing and speculation on what they interpret what everything is..all we can do is watch.
You nailed the thought exactly in your comment " the way we thought it would".
We are just Grunts at best, most of us, including me are spectators, who are VERY vested in the outcome of this epic battle, but we are not privy to the REAL plan just our part of the battle. Some have been following this for 4 years and they don't know the PLAN, there may only be 10 people in the World who know the full plan.
But we have to have faith in them, they are the most masterful and foresighted tacticians in the USA.
And what do you "think" is Trump's actual plan? Do you know? How would you know when the man NEVER telegraph's his moves. He NEVER leaks info he doesn't want leaked. And he NEVER works in a predictable way.
So, tell us all here what POTUS's plan is, since you seem so sure you know weve been screwed.
It's been said before and I will keep saying it until you knuckleheads around here finally see it:
POTUS is not moving the goal posts. The goal has always been a 2nd term. It's the black hats who have cheated and moved the goal posts to the 50 yard line to put The Pervert in office.
There was no fucking goal post here. We all knew this if you followed would happen. Stop being a fucking doomer. Until I see trump giving up fuck all what you are saying.
how far down the line are we all willing to push these goal posts? it seems like whenever a "plan" doesnt happen the way we thought it would, we find ANY excuse to change what the plan actually was. i know we're all desperate for hope. but i dont know if false hope is better than no hope.
The goal post was ALWAYS to get to the highest level of treasonous players (in this case the VP, leaders of the Congressional Houses and Congress itself). Everything else (state and local election fraud, unconstitutional lock-downs, etc.) were moving the chains for a first down. All of this adds up to getting ALL of the traitors exposed.
exactly, this is endgame now. It can't go any further than the VP and Congress.
At least we know the current POTUS is not compromised.
But how do you succeed when literally everyone else is? The media will howl, the elected representatives will howl. Nothing meaningful will get done? i'm not sure.
%100
I’m not willing to be gaslit any further.
I made a choice.
Pence - to me - was GIVEN A WIN AGAINST KAMALA. Go re-watch that debate. Hoeslut got right back in her knees. She let him have his way with her. Tell me that wasn’t obvious now.
I’ll wait.
Not everyone. 100 million of us are not. Politicians as a career is coming to an end. Maybe consider the citizen servant thing and run for an office.
So you've seen this coming since november? You haven't had your hopes up at every step?
I agree that the traitors at the highest levels have to go. But where do the goalposts stop? I keep seeing people saying that Trump has to let Biden be sworn in before anything can happen, and that sounds like bullshit to me. That's like saying I have to not only let someone shoot me, they have to completely murder me before they can be taken down for attempted murder. Once he's out of the WH, then any power he has is gone and these pricks will go after him and his family and take them all out.
No. The goal post is Jan 20.
Which is certainly what happened last night. Names we didn't know were corrupt or at least didn't know for SURE were corrupt? Grassley, Graham, Blackburn, Pence, etc...and then there are the names we knew had gone bad but they handed us proof, like Loeffler and McConnell.
There won't be much left of the House and the Senate from the looks of things. Hard to believe they used rioters as an excuse to overlook massive and unprecedented voter fraud. The one had nothing to do with the other.
I seriously believe that not only will the Fed Reserve corporation be dissolved, but the Federal Government corporation will also. The legal and governing system set up under it is fully corrupt.
There will be a new constitutional government.
I didn't watch the whole thing....Grassley too? Damn. They were despicable.
Yeah, that one surprised me. So did Blackburn, to a lesser degree. I really thought Grassley was on the good side.
Thanks that is exactly what this is.
Having them vote to certify electors that the states have presented to them will in no way get them charged or convicted. There is only a crime if their is evidence that they were involved. That evidence, if it exist, would have ended this whole charade two months ago. Oh look, we have video and audio and computer forensic evidence..... let’s show the world and maje arrest.... nah... let’s just keep it hidden so we can get them to take office and then we can let them pack the court and take our guns.......16 years later...... boy they are really building up a case against these criminals...gonna be the biggest RICO ever.....
Actually, seven states submitted dueling electors. It is NOT up to Congress to decide the outcome for those states. Article II makes it clear that states will only submit ONE list to Congress. Seven states submitted TWO. Therefore, last night Congress took an authority it is NOT granted by Article II of the Constitution. Each state, per the Constitution, is allowed ONE certificate.
The correct Constitutional procedure is for Congress to have turned it back to the states to resolve this matter given SOLELY to the states. Not to mention, they had Arizona, Wisconsin, Pennsylvania and Georgia ask for time to investigate and decertify if necessary. This was submitted to Congress in official signed format and Congress completely ignored over 100 state representatives claiming there was fraud and they needed more time (thereby eliminating ANY claim to plausible deniability). Furthermore, in the case of Wisconsin, they notified Congress they would be changing their elector vote for Trump yet it went to Biden last night.
Congress usurped the states powers the way it was handled as the Constitution does not give them the power they assumed last night. As the Constitution is the Supreme Law of the land, it is a felony to act unconstitutionally (and Congress is not protected in the event of treason or a felony).
Great explanation.
They don't have to pack the court, the people in there now will do as they're told on any major issue. Also, there won't be any "years later", this is it. If this stands, that's ballgame. I still believe though. Feel free to call me delusional if/when Biden becomes president.
Evidence is abundant
Well, 10 days or so would be my guess... but you are correct. Trump did not concede and Jan. 20th is the only date that matters.
This is not over. Trump is in a military command center in TX right now.
Reportedly, has that been confirmed by any reliable source?
I agree but the reasoning why it has to go all the way to Jan 20th is lost on me. What more do we need. If we have evidence of the crime, evidence of the steal, why in the world would we have to wait until they actually take the oath of office? They e already taken oaths and broken them.
You are watching a movie. All of this has been known. The drama will be played out until the last minute. The best is yet to come.
Be calm. Enjoy your family and Friends in this time. Justice will come.
Q has said many times a few things and now many of them are coming into focus.
Q constantly referenced the C_A. Most took that to mean the CIA and Q saying the intelligence was removed.
Q has also posted the preamble of the Declaration of Independence about tearing down and reforming a government when it no longer serves, and in fact abuses, the people. Taking away our elections is the utmost of abuse.
Q also referenced Jefferson in saying only a complete dismantling of the government will clear corruption - there is no other way.
Consider there are two main structures to our government - civilian and military. I think that Congress is about to invoke the 25th Amendment (illegally of course because it was never about if Congress FELT the President can serve, it was meant to cover things like if the President gets severely ill of has a stroke, or similar circumstances). If Congress does that, you are going to see our government split into two - those of the Civilian, and treasonous side, and those on the Patriotic, or military side.
If that happens, all the laws and protections that Congress has ensured themselves are out the window as it will be our own government at war with itself. Q said the only way is military - similar to how Julius Caesar corrected the Roman Republic when the Senate had become too corrupt.
I believe when Q said MIL vs C_A he was never referring to the CIA, but instead C_A was code for CIVILIAN AGENCIES. You know, the exact agencies that have become so corrupt they actually use their power to abuse the American people and cover up politicians committing treason.
Q said this was about restoring Old Glory - the original and full Constitution of the US. The one that includes the First Continental Congressional Clauses. The one that defines using one's political position to steal from the treasury and act of piracy and treason with one offense being banishment from the US and two or more being death.
Q said, "the end won't be for everyone," and I believe he was referencing the reformation of the US the way the Founding Fathers intended.
Q also referenced the movie "Law-Abiding Citizen" when noting it was going to be biblical. That happens to be the part in the movie where they are talking about the entire system being corrupt and Gerard Butler mentions he is going to bring it ALL down.
Whatever happens, I believe the next two weeks are going to be historical and something we are not going to believe we lived through in our lifetimes.
Keep faith. Stay strong. Trust in God and the Plan. It has been DECADES in the making. Trump is just one part of this plan and Flynn and Pompeo are fully confident when this is over Trump will still be President.
Just had a horrible thought. China is preparing their military for war. If Trump acts would anyone put it past them to request support from China?
In which case that would be outright treason and there would be no need for military tribunals.
Not to mention the US Military would have the assistance of almost 80 million armed Patriots.
If China intervened, so also, immediately, would Russia (likely on Trump's side, or just to keep out China).
corrected links:
https://www.cisa.gov/safecom/NCSWIC
https://www.cisa.gov/bryan-s-ware
Interesting line from Q. I never considered that Trump (POTUS) may not get a second term, but...what if he doesn't get a second term? Q says clearly: "How do you 'safeguard' US elections post-POTUS?"
Why the single quotation marks around the word "safeguard"? Why say "post-POTUS"? US elections WON'T be safeguarded? There will be NO voter ID card? Trump WON'T be sworn in for a second term?
I think what that meant is that if they merely counteracted or stopped the fraud from being committed in this election (like what allegedly happened in 2016, with white hats DDOSing the Dominion servers) without exposing it, they wouldn't bring the whole fraudulent system down, and we'd have the same fraud problem four years from now. He's saying they want to end election fraud once and for all.
Trump is the last president
That is how I interpreted this post when it was posted. I didn’t like the tone. Also, remember Q post 749, THE END WONT BE FIR EVERYONE
749 12-Feb-2018 10:50:26 AM CST 8ch/qresearch
As in the movie the matrix, I forget the crew member that betrayed them but he wanted to go back into the matrix, knowing it was phoney, because he didn't like the real world.
Like him, there are many citizens that are not going to be able to handle the new world - and thinking for themselves - because the matrix has such a strong hold on them.
click on that first link. page no longer exists
The page existed in November when I looked at it.
Links are broken due to the folder icon.
Should be https://www.cisa.gov/safecom/NCSWIC and https://www.cisa.gov/bryan-s-ware
The Q posts are still there and the links in the Q post still work: https://qanon.pub/
Try this link >> https://carlbherman.blogspot.com/2020/11/qs-nothing-can-stop-what-is-coming.html
https://www.cisa.gov/safecom/NCSWIC
https://www.cisa.gov/bryan-s-ware
I am beginning to feel as if we are down to the Hail Mary Pass. I am still on board until I see Biden actually sworn in.
I keep remembering what @Johnheretohelp said back in June. He got the part right about them knowing the only way they could win was to steal it,from the 'chatter' he was hearing amongst his contacts and that is what they did. The 2nd Part is to go ahead with a Fake Inauguration, alternate White House and run the Presidency via Congress. The Military can only obey the CURRENT President (so long as he doesn't actually concede) via PROMETHEUS Protocol. Gonna be a real shitshow in that case.
There is a Kim Clement obscure prophecy where there is a point of being TWO Presidents and the people all say 'what shall we do?'. Trey Smith mentions it in one of his recent vids.
I really hope it doesn't come to that. I'm trying to keep faith but it's hard. TWO TERMS all the prophets said that - but they didn't say consecutively or that there wouldn't be a double Presidency in one of them.
I hate this, it's making me a nervous wreck.
This was the thread is July - the first part obviously came true the 2nd is yet to be determined. https://twitter.com/Johnheretohelp/status/1285607581315215363
This is the only reference I can find to Kims prophecy about '2 Presidents'. I first saw it mentioned on one of Trey Smiths recent videos, just did a quick search to see what turns up. Check out this page:
https://welovetrump.com/2020/12/19/kim-clements-two-presidents-prophecy-unpacked/
It's important to note that there appears to be no video footage of all this, just a find from the writings he left. So whether it is truly one of these or the family is 'finding' new prophecies which they might think will come true I don't know. I would think the latter is unlikely because there is nothing to suggest the family would do such a thing, and the very real possibility that if it doesn't come true than her Dads legacy will be destroyed. (Although if Trump doesn't get a 2nd term then I think the legacy is likely to be destroyed anyway)
But it's a spooky coincidence with what @Johnheretohelp reported in July. For those who don't know he is Ryan Dark Light and he is feeding info to Lin Wood. (He recently pointed out that Lins middle name is Lucius which means Light. Dark to Light featuring here...both of those guys seem aware of Q.)
I'm sorry but no way; The 20th is our absolute drop-dead date.
If Trump hasn't executed on The Plan by then, it was a giant psy-op after all.
I think the chance of that is practically zero, but still....
Please do not suggest that we ought to continue coping and dealing with it after Jan. 20.
At that point, we prep for war.
speculation is the only thing moving goalposts....nobody, well us anyway, dont know what the plan actually is, what the timeline is or how its execuated its everyones date timing and speculation on what they interpret what everything is..all we can do is watch.
Trust the plan. How can I put any trust in a plan I don't know about?
Just go back to CNn, they'll tell you what to think and trust.
Damn, starting to look like tdw here.
You nailed the thought exactly in your comment " the way we thought it would". We are just Grunts at best, most of us, including me are spectators, who are VERY vested in the outcome of this epic battle, but we are not privy to the REAL plan just our part of the battle. Some have been following this for 4 years and they don't know the PLAN, there may only be 10 people in the World who know the full plan. But we have to have faith in them, they are the most masterful and foresighted tacticians in the USA.
And what do you "think" is Trump's actual plan? Do you know? How would you know when the man NEVER telegraph's his moves. He NEVER leaks info he doesn't want leaked. And he NEVER works in a predictable way.
So, tell us all here what POTUS's plan is, since you seem so sure you know weve been screwed.
It's been said before and I will keep saying it until you knuckleheads around here finally see it:
The. Military. IS. THE. ONLY. WAY.
We want to catch them all.
Now that we can all agree Mike Pence is a traitor........
you can see that literally most of the people in our government need to be removed.
False hope is worse than no hope
We guess at the plan the best we can. One thing our experience tells us is we will win. Stayncool
POTUS is not moving the goal posts. The goal has always been a 2nd term. It's the black hats who have cheated and moved the goal posts to the 50 yard line to put The Pervert in office.
we're looking at "the plan" from the outside, so we really have no clue.
our role is digital warfare, spreading information and truth in any way that we can. Along with using their tactics.
date tagging and expecting things to happen a certain way will always leave you feeling let down.
Second post on here today where I've seen you being a doomer faggot.
Key words "the way we thought it would." Any goal posts set, are only speculation based on peoples assumptions of what is happening.
There was no fucking goal post here. We all knew this if you followed would happen. Stop being a fucking doomer. Until I see trump giving up fuck all what you are saying.
Q ALWAYS said the military was the ONLY way. We have to let that play out. This is no time to concede.
To the 20th whiner. Can you not read?