I freak out at least twice a day when I think about the American people just accepting Kamala Harris as the vice-president. A garbage politician that is completely incapable of going off cuff, dumb, creepy and goofy. Boggles my mind
I'm sitting here eating some Brunswick stew but with a spoon as to not leave any crumbs. Close?
Water gas to the rescue!!! Forget battery and electricity progress, we'll just simply revert back to WW1 technology to keep our smoggy inefficient engines going forever.
South Africa can't keep the lights on bro... Maybe not the best example of energy independence to bring up.
It's certainly a possibility.
But IMO, if they best the white hats can do is wreck and leak these in less populated areas... We are in big trouble.
Batteries will never improve but we can just make gas out of water.
Seems like a solid plan ya got. Hope it works out for ya.
We have 50 years of oil left.... In the world.
I'm sure the price will stay reasonable up until the end too. Eye roll.emoji
Battery technology will never get better, but we will always have oil under America forever.
Got it pal. Let's get you back to the old folks home.
Can you set up a refinery in your backyard? I can and have set up a working solar array on my roof.
Let's talk energy independence and see who wins
When someone is getting there ass kicked in an argument they often try to put words in others mouths. It's called strawman fallacy. You have no idea what I'm opposed to other than paying foreign countries for oil.... Which will always have to do.
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Lol. We can make our gas here, but we can't make our own batteries here?
OPEC sends it regards. I'm sure they will follow it with your check.
Lol ok bro.
You tried to say I was cool with child slavery but I can't say you're ok with subsidies ? (the giant bailouts that had nothing to do with EVs)
Tesla builds there batteries in Fremont California and soon in Texas but please keep swallowing that Big Oil load. Trump was in charge for four years already and we never stopped buying oil from foreign countries and we never will.
You're just being obtuse or can't operate a search engine I guess.
Tesla has taken far fewer subsidies than any other manufacturers and the 2008 and 2018 TARP bailouts were not to help manufacturers make EVs. They were to keep the floundering companies afloat. You may remember "too big to fail" ?
I listed the numbers as a per 100k ratio. EVs catch on fire at a drastically reduced rate.
Lithium fires are bad. 345 people a year die in car fires. 1 person ever has died in a lithium battery fire.
Keep your ICE car grandpa. Saudi Arabia sends it's love.
If a car catches on fire, it's done. Total loss in 90% of all fires. It's severity AND likelihood.
"Each year, from 2014 to 2016, an estimated 171,500 highway vehicle fires occurred in the United States, resulting in an annual average of 345 deaths; 1,300 injuries; and $1.1 billion in property loss."
1 person has died in a Tesla fire.
Do you work for BP or what?
With an EV, you can blow the doors off a Ferrari and still pay for a person to sit in the car and yell vroom.
Are you kidding about subsidies? GM alone had 51 billion in subsidies in 2009.
It's not even close, your taxes go far more to keeping ICE car companies rolling.
Ok how many ice vehicles are repaired after fires? Car fires are terrible and they happen much much more frequently with ICE than with EVs.
Per 100k cars, 1529 ICE cars burn Per 100k cars, 25 EVs burn.
We agree that car fires are dangerous, I would want to own one that has way less chance of catching fire.
Things people care about like...
- Acceleration
- Range
- Running cost
- Maintenance cost
Why does GM, Ford and every ice vehicle producer need government subsidies? And why do they need so much more? When will they pay them back?
Cobalt and lithium are not rare Earth materials. Which is what the initial comment claimed.
Child labor is horrible, but nice strawman. More child labor is used in the bricks you build your house with, the clothes on your back and the carpets you walk on than are used in cobalt or lithium mining combined. 70% of all child laborers are working in the agriculture industry so unless you don't eat food, maybe step down off your high horse.
Maybe go ask your pops about lanthanum and cerium. Both are used as additives for fluid catalytic cracking (FCC), a key process in gasoline production.
A catalytic converter has more rare Earth in it than batteries do.
Child labor sucks, but your beef is with countries that facilitate it. Not EVs, but big oil sure appreciates your loyalty.
For every 100k vehicles... 1529 ICE vehicles catch on fire.
For every 100k behicles.... 25 EVs have caught on fire.
52 total EVs have caught on fire... Ever.
This thread is full of people who distrust literally everything on earth except big oil. Relax tough guys, buying an EV won't make you gay. But it will blow the doors off any gas car that pulls up next to you.
Forget the environment. Gas cars are just inferior products, end of story.
A 10 year old used car still runs on gasoline. Therefore it still depends on rare Earth materials to make it go. Rare Earth Elements are used in mass quantities in the production of gasoline. Of course child labor is awful, but if you're driving any vehicle, you are complicit in it's mining. There is no moral high ground in the automotive industry.
Buddy, way way way way more of your taxes went to the bailout of the big four big oil American car manufacturers than ever went to Tesla.
ICE vehicles catch on fire about 11x more frequently than EVs but big oil sends it's regards for the free plug.
Lol, I guess captain planet over here is walking every where he goes. Good for you.
Rare Earth Elements are used in massive quantities in the production of gasoline. No matter what company makes your car, rare Earth materials are being used.
We went from Trump is still president, Biden isn't legitimate #46 to agenda 47 pretty quick. Kinda disheartening.