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Whiskey4Lunch 2 points ago +5 / -3

Your vote does matter.

In 2020, the cheating was so rampant, the media machine worked overtime to suppress it. In 2022, the cheating hasn't gone anywhere, it's just returned to being more subtle because no one has done anything meaningful about it. Don't make it easy on the Dems.

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Whiskey4Lunch 2 points ago +2 / -0

What you're talking about is actually western propaganda about NK. For example, they have a thriving black market for western media.

https://www.npr.org/2017/07/05/534742750/watching-foreign-movies-is-illegal-in-north-korea-but-plenty-do-it-anyway

They know of the outside world and want to go there. And no, they don't think he's a God. They may tell you otherwise because if you don't publicly revere the guy, your life may be at stake.

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Whiskey4Lunch 2 points ago +2 / -0

Elon's two weeks ahead of these socialist fucks. They don't know who they're dealing with.

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Whiskey4Lunch 1 point ago +1 / -0

That 420 was a pretty good catch. Although I tend to think Musk is trying to help.

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Whiskey4Lunch 2 points ago +2 / -0

Give your head a shake. Since when do Q followers cite "extreme left" Marxist publications as 'real journalism'? Sounds like an infiltration.

https://mronline.org/

https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/monthly-review/

https://monthlyreview.org/about/#today

And the 'journalist'? A self described socialist. Did you think the Russians would permit a hostile journalist to be embedded with them?

https://covertactionmagazine.com/2021/09/20/dutch-socialist-condemns-her-partys-shameful-dumb-monkey-response-to-the-syrian-war-sadly-echoed-not-only-by-corporate-media-but-also-left-wing-media/

So out of morbid curiosity, is Q a hard leftist now? Is that what we're doing, because I didn't sign up for that.

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Whiskey4Lunch 3 points ago +3 / -0

"Exposed and humiliated, the Biden administration declined the Polish “offer” and promptly dispatched Kamala Harris to Warsaw to pacify the Poles who were seething at such betrayal by a supposed ally."

So you send Kamala? That cackling hag would only makes the Poles angrier.

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Whiskey4Lunch 1 point ago +1 / -0

I see that you have no answer to my other points.

Nah, you just don't listen to them. You're so polarized that you actually believe Russia is on a "humanitarian" mission. It's very silly and so hyperbolic that there is no point in discussing it any further.

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Whiskey4Lunch 1 point ago +1 / -0

I gave no moral pass to China and you are a bare-faced liar to say so.

Yep, you did.

Have you ever intervened to help someone in violent trouble?

If you only knew.

Don't be too sure that what is presented as "Russian atrocities" have anything to do with the Russian forces.

I see there is no moving you from your bubble. C'est la vie.

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Whiskey4Lunch 1 point ago +1 / -0

You seem to be debating things that I haven't said. Regurgitating Putin talking points really does not further the point. As it seems to be the case as of late, there is no room for nuance among the polarized.

Russia doesn't get to shell apartment buildings and shoot up grandma and grandpa in a civilian vehicle, and then claim the city is under 'humanitarian' control. If the mission was humanitarian, Ukraine citizens would welcome Russian forces, clearly that's not the case. It's laughable.

My point is that neither side has clean hands. The fact that Russia is moving past Luhansk and Donetsk, proves that it's not about those territories.

If you claim to have a moral authority to invade Ukraine, that falls apart when you give a pass to China.

We can cheer on the destruction of biolabs but that doesn't justify the invasion of a sovereign nation. Ultimately, the enemy of my enemy does not make them my friend. I think that gets lost, even among Q followers.

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Whiskey4Lunch 1 point ago +1 / -0

Nobody has a right to intervene to stop genocide?

There is no 'genocide'.

https://theconversation.com/putins-claims-that-ukraine-is-committing-genocide-are-baseless-but-not-unprecedented-177511

As for China, if you want to go up against it, be my guest. I know better than to tackle someone bigger and stronger. Being in the right does not entail being suicidal.

Just so I understand your "logically moral position", you think false claims of genocide give Russia an obligation to stop it (Kitty Genovese effect). But that morality doesn't extend to stronger foes?

That's not moral at all. Morals don't depend on whether an intervention would hurt or not. Morals, like principles, need to be applying equally, or they are by definition, unprincipled.

But in the end, all you can do is sneer.

Why is it impossible to have a debate on this board and maintain decorum. Note the rules: civil discussion only. No one is 'sneering'.

My point is this: The cheering on of Russia to 'save the ethnic Russians' in Ukraine, has no more merit that Hitler invading Austria to 'save the ethnic Germans'. In fact, many in Austria welcomed Hitler. The Ukrainians are fighting like hell. That alone should tell you if Russia is acting in it's own best interest or 'saving people from genocide'.

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Whiskey4Lunch 1 point ago +1 / -0

No. Russia (1) has the right to intervene and stop genocide

And I'm the one stretching the case to "absurd dimensions"? Lol

The presence of genocide and bioweapons forfeit Ukraine's sovereignty.

Now do China.

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Whiskey4Lunch 0 points ago +1 / -1

Kitty Genovese problem: there's a murder being accomplished in plain sight on the sidewalk. Do we walk on by?

That's an oversimplification. In this case, the alleged murdered and victim had been trying to kill each other for years, the 'person walking by' has a historical beef with the alleged murderer, and has everything to gain, personally, by intervening, and has no right to be on the sidewalk in the first place.

Russia does not need to have clean hands if Ukraine has dirty hands

So therefore Russia has the "right" to invade the US for it's bioweapons production on Russia's borders, economic warfare and perceived historical conflict?

This is all perspective. One person's freedom fighters is anothers' rebel.

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Whiskey4Lunch -5 points ago +6 / -11

Unpopular opinion: Russia isn't the "good guy", but they are leveraging the US biolab exposure against Biden. And they should. These bioweapons labs need to be erased from existence.

However, it does not give them moral authority to take Ukraine by military force.

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Whiskey4Lunch 1 point ago +1 / -0

Sorry for the MSM link, but I don't think that's the case:

https://news.yahoo.com/kiev-threatens-crimea-russian-forces-over-naval-hq-183953607.html

Russia needed that naval base. They need Ukraine as a buffer to NATO expansion. The pretext of "neo nazis" is a weak casus belli, IMHO.

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Whiskey4Lunch 6 points ago +6 / -0

i tried sharing this on FB and it was instantly declined as it had previously been reported as "abusive"....

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Whiskey4Lunch 1 point ago +1 / -0

How is it a hit piece when he literally sat down with them and asked them to walk him thru those days

It's a hit piece on Yushchenko's political enemies. Believe what you want, but recognize that this is a very one sided portrayal of the ongoing crisis in Ukraine.

Putin can claim he's going after "neo nazis" all he wants, it just happens to provide strategic superiority for Russia by taking Crimea and now Ukraine. I'm not saying Ukraine has clean hands, it's just a bit trickier than Stone is making it out to be.

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Whiskey4Lunch 2 points ago +2 / -0

I couldn't finish this. The only thing it did was give Yushchenko a platform. I didn't see any coverage of the counter narrative, unless they had some after I turned it off, about an hour in. Video version of a media hit piece, very biased.

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Whiskey4Lunch 9 points ago +9 / -0

Yeah, and the WHO trusted him to investigate the origins of COVID. Stunning that he came to the conclusion it was of natural origin.

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Whiskey4Lunch 1 point ago +1 / -0

Lol, if Desantis is a deep state rat, is there anyone who you consider not to be a deep state rat?

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Whiskey4Lunch 3 points ago +14 / -11

We all know that the MSM's job is to mislead. That doesn't mean that the other side is the "real story".

Our MSM / government lies. Their MSM / government lies.

This topic was actually stickied and labelled "true Ukrainian news", and it features a virtual cartoon characterization of Russian propaganda; complete with the mandatory hammer and sickle pin.

Just remember, being awake to MSM lies does not make the opposite true. That's a trap that is showing itself on this board lately.

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